The Alt-Right Doesn’t Speak For Me; Conservative Principles Aren’t For Whites Only

[EasyAce]

By Josh Kimbrell
http://www.redstate.com/joshkimbrell/2017/08/13/alt-right-doesnt-speak-conservative-principles-arent-whites/

The disgusting race riots we have witnessed in Charlottesville, Virginia, have been revolting for a
range of reasons. The so-called “alt-right” has sought to hijack the conservative mantle and make it about
ethnicity instead of ideas. Most left-leaning media outlets have tried to make the alt-right rioters, and
klansmen, spokespersons for the Republican National Committee. Neither of these things are true. It is
now necessary for leaders of the conservative movement to make-clear that the alt-right is not right,
and being Republican is not racist.

That was the point I tried to drive-home yesterday on Fox News. Liberal politicians have generally used
the unrest in Virginia to paint all Republicans into the corner on race. This is wrong and hypocritical.
Where were these same liberal finger-wavers when riotous protesters last year were calling for the murder
of law-enforcement officers and calling police “pigs in a blanket? Would Democrats want to be painted by
such a broad brush? . . .

[Mom MD]

The "alt-right" is not and never have been right wing.  They are another branch of socialist/fascists just like the antifa.  Remember Senator "sheets" Byrd was a democrat, not a republican.  There is a special place in hell for all of them.

[Mom MD]

And a member of the democrat party in good standing until the day he died, I might add.

[Hondo69]

Where were these same liberal finger-wavers when riotous protesters last year were calling for the murder of law-enforcement officers and calling police “pigs in a blanket? Would Democrats want to be painted by such a broad brush?

In one sense it's a marketing problem.  Democrats capitalize on their majority in the media to first invent and then implement new buzzwords like NeoCon and Alt-Right into the vernacular.  If it sounds good then everyone, even Republicans, will latch onto these new creations and run with them.  They also excel at whipping up generalized themes such as "Republican's War On Women" and "Black Lives Matter" designed specifically to tap into emotions.  In turn, the public eats it up with a spoon never stopping to realize the coordinated propaganda machine at work behind the scenes.

Yet it is very rare for the other side to even be remotely creative or to plant a suggestive theme into the national conversation.  What if 8 years ago Republicans as a group would have began referring to ObamaCare as ObamaCaid?  In no time flat the term ObamaCaid would have not only become part of the national vocabulary but also driven home the point that ObamaCare and Medicaid are essentially the same thing.  Short, simple, and effective - it's not rocket science folks.  The public will get the message if you just make the effort to put it out there in the first place.

But it rarely happens.  Beyond Rush Limbaugh and a small handful of other pundits clever plays on words or catchy phrases never seem to surface.  It's a marketing problem.  And it's a problem that always keeps Republicans behind the 8-ball.

[Cripplecreek]

The so-called “alt-right” has sought to hijack the conservative mantle and make it about
ethnicity instead of ideas. Most left-leaning media outlets have tried to make the alt-right rioters, and
klansmen, spokespersons for the Republican National Committee.

They have been quite successful.

Time and time again I've been ridiculed right here at TBR for mentioning Alt Right Threats directed at me personally as well as threats directed at better known men like Ben Shapiro. I'm not particularly concerned that the inbred morons could successfully target me but I rest assured that many here would happily seek to justify it if they did.

You don't have to be a member of the nazi party to be part of the problem.

[ABX]

The "alt-right" is not and never have been right wing.  They are another branch of socialist/fascists just like the antifa.  Remember Senator "sheets" Byrd was a democrat, not a republican.  There is a special place in hell for all of them.

Yesterday someone posted the 'about' section of the group Fields belonged to. Among other things, they boasted they were 'anti-capitalist'. Not exactly right wing. Using the Fasces as their symbol sums up what they are. Just another collectivist, anti-liberty, anti-capitalist ideology.

[Cripplecreek]

Yesterday someone posted the 'about' section of the group Fields belonged to. Among other things, they boasted they were 'anti-capitalist'. Not exactly right wing. Using the Fasces as their symbol sums up what they are. Just another collectivist, anti-liberty, anti-capitalist ideology.

Which leads me to wonder why people are so hell bent on making sure Trump doesn't name them and why they're so hellbent on justifying the murder.

[ABX]

Which leads me to wonder why people are so hell bent on making sure Trump doesn't name them and why they're so hellbent on justifying the murder.

They are hung up in the 'protecting western civilization from Islam and dark people' angle and also think that aligning with such groups are the only counter to the left's group like antifa.  They think they are a natural ally.  They may not admit it outright, but look how many times they qualify statements about these groups with a 'but'.

[dfwgator]

Wasn't this guy a "Lone Wolf"?

Why is it when a Muslim commits a terror attack they go out of their way to say he's a "Lone Wolf" and it has nothing to do with Islam,  but this guy they want to pin it on all so-called "White Nationalists"?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Wasn't this guy a "Lone Wolf"?

Why is it when a Muslim commits a terror attack they go out of their way to say he's a "Lone Wolf" and it has nothing to do with Islam,  but this guy they want to pin it on all so-called "White Nationalists"?

Because they want to take out Republicans and Conservatives .... it's like politically killing two birds with one stone.  This saves them time and energy.

[andy58-in-nh]

Yesterday someone posted the 'about' section of the group Fields belonged to. Among other things, they boasted they were 'anti-capitalist'. Not exactly right wing. Using the Fasces as their symbol sums up what they are. Just another collectivist, anti-liberty, anti-capitalist ideology.

That's right. The American "Right" and "Left" are very different from their European counterparts.

In Europe, both sides are collectivist in ideological conviction, the extremes of course being Fascism at one end, and Communism on the other. But in between, there's a whole mess of political parties ranging from Socialist to liberal democratic to nationalist/socialist.

In America, the paradigm is entirely different, with the Left representing statist collectivism and the Right championing capitalism and individual liberty.

Of course, we have our own assorted loons and lunkheads, many of whom seem compelled to make public nuisances and asses of themselves in lieu of contributing anything positive. 

[Cripplecreek]

They are hung up in the 'protecting western civilization from Islam and dark people' angle and also think that aligning with such groups are the only counter to the left's group like antifa.  They think they are a natural ally.  They may not admit it outright, but look how many times they qualify statements about these groups with a 'but'.

At the risk of being threatened with banishment one more time I will point to history as a guide of what not to do.

The Germans of the 1930s faced a similar choice of two similar ideologies and chose the one that promised a greater Germany looking out for Germans first ruled by German blood. That doesn't mean the communists were better, they never had a chance to prove how bad they could be. The nazis on the other had had every chance to prove themselves worse and took every opportunity from justifying the murder of communist Germans to justifying the murder of anyone who disagreed with them and eventually to the extermination of whole populations.

The nazis never had majority support. Aside from their 20 or 30 percent support, the rest were either terrified or supported the "good" parts of nazism. I'll never forget the elderly German who spoke at our church when I was a kid. He never supported nazis but admitted to being just as guilty as those brownshirts who beat people in the streets because he overlooked the bad in hopes of getting the promised good.

The final words of my grandfather's CO as he left Europe at the end of WWII.

[dfwgator]

Our politics in this country are binary......Conservative/Liberal....Republican/Democrat.....so you are talking about trying to take the whole political spectrum and place them into two boxes.    This is the result, the kooks go into one of the two boxes, and they don't have their own box, that's isolated from the others. 

The "Powers That Be" have decided that this is preferable to having many smaller parties, and instability as parties try constantly to forge coalitions, as is the case in other countries.     So this is the price we pay for having the Two-Party System, the coalitions have to come within the party, and sometimes that includes elements we consider to be unsavory.   

[Cripplecreek]

That's right. The American "Right" and "Left" are very different from their European counterparts.

In Europe, both sides are collectivist in ideological conviction, the extremes of course being Fascism at one end, and Communism on the other. But in between, there's a whole mess of political parties ranging from Socialist to liberal democratic to nationalist/socialist.

In America, the paradigm is entirely different, with the Left representing statist collectivism and the Right championing capitalism and individual liberty.

Of course, we have our own assorted loons and lunkheads, many of whom seem compelled to make public nuisances and asses of themselves in lieu of contributing anything positive.

I wish more people would figure that out. The Euro right is well to the left of the American left.

To find a truly familiar "right wing" one must look to the english speaking anglosphere. Primarily Britain, Canada, Australia, and the USA with a couple of surprises like Nigeria thrown into the mix. The latin speaking world has more right wing similarities to our right than the euro-right.

[ABX]

Wasn't this guy a "Lone Wolf"?

Why is it when a Muslim commits a terror attack they go out of their way to say he's a "Lone Wolf" and it has nothing to do with Islam,  but this guy they want to pin it on all so-called "White Nationalists"?

Actually, the last few times a muslim drove a car through a crowd of people like this guy, it was said pretty quickly it was Isis.

[LMAO]

In one sense it's a marketing problem.  Democrats capitalize on their majority in the media to first invent and then implement new buzzwords like NeoCon and Alt-Right into the vernacular.  If it sounds good then everyone, even Republicans, will latch onto these new creations and run with them.  They also excel at whipping up generalized themes such as "Republican's War On Women" and "Black Lives Matter" designed specifically to tap into emotions.  In turn, the public eats it up with a spoon never stopping to realize the coordinated propaganda machine at work behind the scenes.

Yet it is very rare for the other side to even be remotely creative or to plant a suggestive theme into the national conversation.  What if 8 years ago Republicans as a group would have began referring to ObamaCare as ObamaCaid?  In no time flat the term ObamaCaid would have not only become part of the national vocabulary but also driven home the point that ObamaCare and Medicaid are essentially the same thing.  Short, simple, and effective - it's not rocket science folks.  The public will get the message if you just make the effort to put it out there in the first place.

But it rarely happens.  Beyond Rush Limbaugh and a small handful of other pundits clever plays on words or catchy phrases never seem to surface.  It's a marketing problem.  And it's a problem that always keeps Republicans behind the 8-ball.

Interesting

[ABX]

In America, the paradigm is entirely different, with the Left representing statist collectivism and the Right championing capitalism and individual liberty.

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I would say that this 'used to be' the case. For many, and dare I say everyone here, it still is, but a large percentage of the American Right is becoming very much like the European Right. They want their big, authoritarian, centralized government and put nationalism above individual liberty. To them it is nothing more than Nationalism versus Globalism, yet fail to understand both are a rejection of individualism and true liberty.

This has been growing for a while now.  I used to be one of those who denied it was happening or saying it was fringe but I see it more and more every day with people I know personally, not just a media creation.

[Cripplecreek]

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I would say that this 'used to be' the case. For many, and dare I say everyone here, it still is, but a large percentage of the American Right is becoming very much like the European Right. They want their big, authoritarian, centralized government and put nationalism above individual liberty. To them it is nothing more than Nationalism versus Globalism, yet fail to understand both are a rejection of individualism and true liberty.

This has been growing for a while now.  I used to be one of those who denied it was happening or saying it was fringe but I see it more and more every day with people I know personally, not just a media creation.

Actually I don't see free market capitalism as an end all be all symbol of conservatism. I'd much rather see conservatives champion federalism and personal liberty. Free market Capitalism is a natural side effect.

[endicom]

Yesterday someone posted the 'about' section of the group Fields belonged to.

Yo!

Unless someone beat me to it.

Among other things, they boasted they were 'anti-capitalist'. Not exactly right wing. Using the Fasces as their symbol sums up what they are. Just another collectivist, anti-liberty, anti-capitalist ideology.

Il Duce and ol' 88 were anti-capitalist.

But what is capitalism? Is it that Old World Marxist thing or did we break new ground here in the U.S.?

[dfwgator]

Yo!

Unless someone beat me to it.

Il Duce and ol' 88 were anti-capitalist.

But what is capitalism? Is it that Old World Marxist thing or did we break new ground here in the U.S.?

Communism is just another form of Capitalism, in this case, the State has the monopoly on Capital.

[Cripplecreek]

Nearly 2 years later I'm still getting a couple of hate tweets per week from neonazis mad because I stated that the constitution doesn't require white people to continue its existence.

 

[ABX]

Actually I don't see free market capitalism as an end all be all symbol of conservatism. I'd much rather see conservatives champion federalism and personal liberty. Free market Capitalism is a natural side effect.

The principle of capitalism is the free exchange between individuals. It is the basis for our monetary system and is foundational to liberty. It has been vilified as just big business and corporations, but those are just resulting means of organization of the capitalistic principle.

Capitalism is the value that I as an individual am free to choose to exchange the value of my labor for the value or product of someone else's labor at a mutually agreed upon rate. If I am not free, then I can't freely take part in this exchange of goods, ideas, or services. Capitalism is the principle that your work and your production is your own and does not belong to society. You are the master of your own fate; society nor another man is not your master.

This is very counter to any collectivist ideology which always gives some ruling authority over your production and rights as an individual.

[ABX]

Communism is just another form of Capitalism, in this case, the State has the monopoly on Capital.

Please say you are being sarcastic.

[dfwgator]

The term "Capitalism" was invented by Karl Marx,  I refuse to use the language of Communists.   I prefer "Free Enterprise".

[EasyAce]

The term "Capitalism" was invented by Karl Marx,  I refuse to use the language of Communists.   I prefer "Free Enterprise".

Or the free market.