VIDEO: Protesters Attacked Charlottesville Driver’s Car With Baseball Bat (Respectful discussion only please)

[LMAO]

 

Will they protect a killer of a white woman?

Maybe. She was collateral damage in pursuit of "the cause"

[bolobaby]

My question is where did the baseball bats come from and who had them.....

BAN BASEBALL BATS!

Baseball bats are the true cause of all this violence.

This country is OBSESSED with its baseball bats. In fact, this country has almost the highest baseball bat ownership percentage in the civilized world! WHY DO WE NEED SO MANY BASEBALL BATS???

[Cripplecreek]

Will they protect a killer of a white woman?

Probably not. She was on the other side and neonazis assume anyone not engaging in incest is having sex with non white and is a legitimate target.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

@Weird Tolkienish Figure
I think you're siding with the wrong side.   Perhaps if the guy wasn't already a Nazi the argument might have merit.  His background and the speed at which he drove makes intent pretty clear.

I'm not siding with any side, I'm just pointing out the facts. I've already said I think he's guilty and should be in jail for murder.

[bolobaby]

I'm not siding with any side, I'm just pointing out the facts. I've already said I think he's guilty and should be in jail for murder.

Yeah - I'm interested in truth, here, not "the narrative."

"The narrative" is that "neo-nazis are bad."

The TRUTH is that these "white supremacists" and BLM have a lot in common - they are both arguing from the position of race. Both groups are provocative. Both have extremists who advocate violence.

RECENT history, however, has BLM provoking MORE violence. (And I won't even get into Antifa.) But we will get more of the narrative about how eeeeeevil the neo-nazis are.

They both suck, but we can't say that apparently. Some pigs are more equal than others.

On this particular incident, I have a theory on what the truth is: that this guy drove down there to challenge, but NOT to kill. Shit went haywire FAST when his car got struck and he reacted in a violent manner with his vehicle.

So, what are we looking at? Certainly not 1st degree murder. Nothing on the domestic terrorism front. Maybe 2nd degree murder, which they will try to make stick because they don't like the group he's associated with. But, if this were *just* a BLM rally, and this happened, he'd probably get charged with voluntary manslaughter and plea out to involuntary.

[dfwgator]

They both suck, but we can't say that apparently. Some pigs are more equal than others.

 

It's like saying "All Lives Matter".   That's racist, don'cha know.

[Frank Cannon]

The alt right are all about perpetuating "pure" bloodlines which is why so many of them are into incest porn.

Funny coming from a poster who says some of the most despicable things about Always Trumpers because they don't have "pure" Conservative bloodlines. When you get a brief moment from banging out angry screeds against Donny and his supporters 24/7, you should take a look in the mirror.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

It's like saying "All Lives Matter".   That's racist, don'cha know.

Violence then started to spill into the real world. A man wielding a sword hunted and killed a black man in New York City. A member of an “alt-Reich Nation” Facebook group killed another black man in Maryland. A man opened fire on two immigrants at a bar in Kansas, killing one. A white supremacist in Portland murdered two men on a train who intervened when he harassed a Muslim and her black friend. And that’s not an exclusive list.

Meanwhile, the online hate campaigns roll on. Incredibly, key elements of the Trump coalition, including Trump himself, gave the alt-right aid and comfort. Steve Bannon, the president’s chief strategist, proclaimed that his publication, Breitbart.com, was the “the platform for the alt-right,” Breitbart long protected, promoted, and published Milo Yiannopolous – the alt-right’s foremost “respectable” defender – and Trump himself retweeted alt-right accounts and launched into an explicitly racial attack against an American judge of Mexican descent, an attack that delighted his most racist supporters.

In other words, if there ever was a time in recent American political history for an American president to make a clear, unequivocal statement against the alt-right, it was today. Instead, we got a vague condemnation of “hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides.” This is unacceptable, especially given that Trump can be quite specific when he’s truly angry. Just ask the Khan family, Judge Curiel, James Comey, or any other person he considers a personal enemy. Even worse, members of the alt-right openly celebrated Trump’s statement, taking it as a not-so-veiled decision to stand against media calls to condemn their movement.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/450433/alt-rights-chickens-come-home-roost

[Cripplecreek]

@Once-Ler

This statement alone should have been enough to bring Trump to the cameras and name Anglin and his related groups of neonazis as enemies of civil society.



On the bright side, Ivanka doesn't seem to have any compunction about naming them.

[Crazieman]

Funny coming from a poster who says some of the most despicable things about Always Trumpers because they don't have "pure" Conservative bloodlines. When you get a brief moment from banging out angry screeds against Donny and his supporters 24/7, you should take a look in the mirror.

[aligncare]

I wonder if anyone ever stopped to consider that the term alt right wasn't in use anywhere in the media in 2015 and early 2016? And that originally, alternative right was a term used by Steve Bannon to describe a new breed of young republican as apposed to the old guard.

It had nothing to do with race until the left appropriated it to mean anything from racist to anti Semitic, nationalist, white supremacist etc.

And republicans just meekly accept the theft of language to be used by the left as a political bludgeon. Welcome to PC hell, folks.

[Cripplecreek]

This will be your final warning.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I loled

[Formerly Once-Ler]

@Once-Ler

This statement alone should have been enough to bring Trump to the cameras and name Anglin and his related groups of neonazis as enemies of civil society.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/david-duke-charlottesville-rally-trump-promises
“This represents a turning point for the people of this country. We are determined to take our country back,” Duke said. “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back.”  - David Duke in Charlottesville Aug 12th

There are some people who don't understand why the President needs to specifically condemn nazis.  I don't want to get all History channel, or anything, but I'm what you might call a history fan, and I can tell you, the nazis were really bad people, very very bad, and I'm not the only one saying this.  It is widely reported that they hate the Jews, and their approval numbers are even below Trump's.  Most Presidents have not wanted to be associated with nazis in the past for logical and easy to understand reasons.

Trump seems unable or unwilling to clearly rebuke the nazis, and I wonder why?

[dfwgator]

How many real Nazis do you think there are in this country today?

[Formerly Once-Ler]

How many real Nazis do you think there are in this country today?

http://www.khou.com/news/thousands-descend-on-charlottesville-for-unite-the-right-rally-counter-protest/463869251
at least 2000-6000 and one muscle car.

[Fantom]

So what?  His car could have been targeted by someone with a baseball bat; that wouldn't justify or excuse using his car as a weapon the way he did.

If he was using his car as a weapon, he would have swerved to hit more leftist fascist antifa/blm terrorist. The same antifa terrorist who threw IED's at a Trump rally in Berkley. These fascist, of which the deceased was one of... try to maim and injure.

This is what the young man found himself surrounded by, when attacked he accelerated to leave the area ..self defense is achieved by fearing for ones life. His political leaning, or personal views have nothing to do with it.

I consider it a case study in Instant Karma.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

If he was using his car as a weapon, he would have swerved to hit more leftist fascist antifa/blm terrorist. The same antifa terrorist who threw IED's at a Trump rally in Berkley. These fascist, of which the deceased was one of... try to maim and injure.

This is what the young man found himself surrounded by, when attacked he accelerated to leave the area ..self defense is achieved by fearing for ones life. His political leaning, or personal views have nothing to do with it.

I consider it a case study in Instant Karma.

The video clearly shows he was not surrounded until he plowed into the people he hated so very very much.

[Oceander]

If he was using his car as a weapon, he would have swerved to hit more leftist fascist antifa/blm terrorist. The same antifa terrorist who threw IED's at a Trump rally in Berkley. These fascist, of which the deceased was one of... try to maim and injure.

This is what the young man found himself surrounded by, when attacked he accelerated to leave the area ..self defense is achieved by fearing for ones life. His political leaning, or personal views have nothing to do with it.

I consider it a case study in Instant Karma.

Bullsh*t.  He took a running head start and plowed into people.  Just 'cause you don't kill the theoretical maximum doesn't prove you weren't trying to kill at all.

[Chosen Daughter]

How many real Nazis do you think there are in this country today?

Former High school History teacher has come out and said the guy idolized Hitler and Nazism.  My guess is that he found his own way to exterminate.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAk_LzedfEc

[bolobaby]

I don't see brake lights until the driver switches to reverse

Here's another pic that is more clear, just prior to impact:



I see two things clearly...

1) Brake lights

2) Scared people

This leads me to a *possible* conclusion that he drove down aggressively to scare them, got whacked, and then either said, "Screw it," or got scared himself and reacted in the dumbest possible fashion.

Either way, he's guilty of something. I'm simply coming to believe that the action of smashing into people was not necessarily premeditated or he wouldn't be applying the brakes. There is also this quote from eyewitness Robert Armengol of the LA Times:

The front of the march had advanced less than half a block before a gray sports car appeared, moving south toward the demonstrators.

The car and its driver, hidden behind tinted windows, advanced slowly at first. [Police have since identified the driver as James A. Fields, 20, of Ohio, who was previously seen marching with Vanguard America, a fascist group.] Then, just a few feet in front of protesters, the vehicle accelerated suddenly, plowing into at least a dozen people in a gut-wrenching crash, sending bodies, shoes and personal belongings flying through the air.

So, according to some, he wasn't moving at impact speed until just a moment before ramming into the crowd. Did he accelerate before or after getting smashed? Was he always planning on hitting the crowd or was it a reaction?

This, of course, does not justify his actions in any way. Unless new video surfaces from inside the car showing that he is trying to flee and is fearful of being attacked, but somehow gets funneled into that position... That, in my mind, would change the charge to Involuntary Manslaughter. I doubt we'll ever see anything like that, so we'll never know what his true intent was just prior to the crash.

One thing is becoming clear to me, though: he *did* slow down just prior to accelerating. We may never know why.

Either way, he goes to jail for a very long, long time. No person should ever put himself in that position unless being chased and getting cornered.

[Restored]

The most recent video clip that I saw was someone hitting the car on the bumper and the driver flooring it.

[Smokin Joe]

Here's another pic that is more clear, just prior to impact:



I see two things clearly...

1) Brake lights

2) Scared people

This leads me to a *possible* conclusion that he drove down aggressively to scare them, got whacked, and then either said, "Screw it," or got scared himself and reacted in the dumbest possible fashion.

Either way, he's guilty of something. I'm simply coming to believe that the action of smashing into people was not necessarily premeditated or he wouldn't be applying the brakes. There is also this quote from eyewitness Robert Armengol of the LA Times:

So, according to some, he wasn't moving at impact speed until just a moment before ramming into the crowd. Did he accelerate before or after getting smashed? Was he always planning on hitting the crowd or was it a reaction?

This, of course, does not justify his actions in any way. Unless new video surfaces from inside the car showing that he is trying to flee and is fearful of being attacked, but somehow gets funneled into that position... That, in my mind, would change the charge to Involuntary Manslaughter. I doubt we'll ever see anything like that, so we'll never know what his true intent was just prior to the crash.

One thing is becoming clear to me, though: he *did* slow down just prior to accelerating. We may never know why.

Either way, he goes to jail for a very long, long time. No person should ever put himself in that position unless being chased and getting cornered.

Another possibility is that he intended 'power packing' it, holding the car with the brakes (left foot) and using the accelerator to squeal tires to get the mob to move. If his foot slipped, the car would surge forward suddenly.
The problem with that is the video I did see (about half of them won't play) showed the vehicle headed down the street a ways before the impact.

[bolobaby]

Another possibility is that he intended 'power packing' it, holding the car with the brakes (left foot) and using the accelerator to squeal tires to get the mob to move. If his foot slipped, the car would surge forward suddenly.
The problem with that is the video I did see (about half of them won't play) showed the vehicle headed down the street a ways before the impact.

I see no evidence in any video or picture that he "power packed" it.

[Smokin Joe]

I see no evidence in any video or picture that he "power packed" it.

Nor did I, and the only way that would be a possibility is if he has stopped, applied the accelerator and his foot slipped off the brake as the power came up before the tires broke loose. Without evidence, that would be difficult to establish, but I had to mention it as a possibility to be eliminated.