Anti-Trumpers Need To Fire On The Real Enemy Instead Of On Conservatives

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

As one who's been on the receiving end from both sides I disagree completely. Both extremes have their moments.

@skeeter, sorry, I spoke poorly.

I meant to be referring to attacks on conservative politicians, and even conservatism itself.  That I've only seen coming from one side.

I wasn't thinking of individual conservatives, such as yourself, who have certainly caught crap from both sides. 

My comment did not adequately (or like, at all) make the distinction.

[INVAR]

I didn't expect that you could actually list your principles, and give a fair analysis of the performance against that criteria.

So I will provide a list. Got this today from a cousin

You can Bleep all you like with bullshit propaganda pap like you posted from your cousin that contains bogus claims of Trump 'achievements' (like the lower cost of fuel).

It reads exactly like the list of "accomplishments" the press gave Bill Clinton when he was busy riding the Reagan expansion coattails.

I will not be joining you in saluting with the rest of the True Believers.

Trump will get a thumbs up when he actually accomplishes something that serves Constitutional Conservatism, which will be roundly rejected by you and your compatriots because I do not bend the knee in fealty to your prince.

I will continue to excoriate him when he acts like the juvenile moron he has demonstrated himself to be and when he serves those things corrosive to liberty.

Mod Note:  Stop it with the "Seig-Heils," and "savior" stuff, OK?  I'll bet real folding money you can do better than that and still keep your original points sharp.

Well then I guess I will describe their fervor in the following manner: "In saluting one man whom they ascribe miraculous single-handed powers to act and do on his own might and authority and in whom they assert is going to save the country and do miraculous bullshit". 

Means the same thing as Seig-Heil and Savior, but I'll be happy to add the additional language to avoid the shorter word-picture.

After all, I'm a "traitor" according to the Trump Militant, so - after my first offense - the rest of my transgressions are free.

[corbe]

I stay in lurk mode most of the time for the same reasons....for the most part.

But sometimes the STUPID I see gets to be too much.   

   You 'worded' that perfectly @DCPatriot
    I'm unsure whether you are insinuating I am stupid or not, (possibly proving your well hidden point), you have a gift for that and it's admirable. But regardless, I respect you and the other Trumpers here for the lively debate that you guys/gals help facilitate.

[skeeter]

@skeeter, sorry, I spoke poorly.

I meant to be referring to attacks on conservative politicians, and even conservatism itself.  That I've only seen coming from one side.

I wasn't thinking of individual conservatives, such as yourself, who have certainly caught crap from both sides. 

My comment did not adequately (or like, at all) make the distinction.

I see now, and agree entirely with your point.

[DCPatriot]

   You 'worded' that perfectly @DCPatriot
    I'm unsure whether you are insinuating I am stupid or not, (possibly proving your well hidden point), you have a gift for that and it's admirable. But regardless, I respect you and the other Trumpers here for the lively debate that you guys/gals help facilitate.

Wasn't singling you or anybody out in my reply.   

The "stupid", to which I refer...it's like porn.  You know it when you see it.    ^-^

[Right_in_Virginia]

You can Bleep all you like with bullshit propaganda pap like you posted from your cousin that contains bogus claims of Trump 'achievements' (like the lower cost of fuel).

It reads exactly like the list of "accomplishments" the press gave Bill Clinton when he was busy riding the Reagan expansion coattails.

I will not be joining you in saluting with the rest of the True Believers.

Trump will get a thumbs up when he actually accomplishes something that serves Constitutional Conservatism, which will be roundly rejected by you and your compatriots because I do not bend the knee in fealty to your prince.

I will continue to excoriate him when he acts like the juvenile moron he has demonstrated himself to be and when he serves those things corrosive to liberty.

Mod Note:  Stop it with the "Seig-Heils," and "savior" stuff, OK?  I'll bet real folding money you can do better than that and still keep your original points sharp.

Well then I guess I will describe their fervor in the following manner: "In saluting one man whom they ascribe miraculous single-handed powers to act and do on his own might and authority and in whom they assert is going to save the country and do miraculous bullshit". 

Means the same thing as Seig-Heil and Savior, but I'll be happy to add the additional language to avoid the shorter word-picture.

After all, I'm a "traitor" according to the Trump Militant, so - after my first offense - the rest of my transgressions are free.

I can't help but wonder if Conservatives see any correlation between what's written in this post and the inability to expand their voter base and win national elections.   

[corbe]

I can't help but wonder if Conservatives see any correlation between what's written in this post and the inability to expand their voter base and win national elections.   

   It's a constant struggle @Right_in_Virginia to protect what's left of our Constitutional Republic and though winning National Elections is important, it's not worth sacrificing your Values and Principles over.

   I'd much rather @INVAR in my foxhole than someone who will fall for anything.

[Oceander]

Trump isn't a conservative.  Firing at Trump is firing at a garden variety NYC liberal.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Trump isn't a conservative.  Firing at Trump is firing at a garden variety NYC liberal.

If Americans cared, this would be a very powerful statement.

[RoosGirl]

If Americans cared, this would be a very powerful statement.

Yes, well, the problem is they're, in general, too stupid to care.  So down the drain all of us have to go.

[INVAR]

I can't help but wonder if Conservatives see any correlation between what's written in this post and the inability to expand their voter base and win national elections.   

Well, YOU Republicans have certainly showed us principled Conservatives how to expand your voter base...

You simply compromise with and caucus with Liberals and Democrats to expand your voter base.

Taking the country full blown Socialist while pretending to be Conservative, to the point we no longer see any difference whatsoever between you and the Democrats.

You guys are welcome to go keep marching to the Populist tune of Statism and lie to yourselves you stand for the Constitution or liberty when all you really are is repackaged Collectivists who think you can manage Socialism better. 

We will stand on principle, even if we stand alone.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yes, well, the problem is they're, in general, too stupid to care.  So down the drain all of us have to go.

Actually, Americans are a pretty smart group.  They care not a whit about pretty words or biblical threats ... they care about finding someone who "gets" what's going on in their lives, cities and nation---and made the right choice.

All you have to do to keep from going down the drain is grab on. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Well, YOU Republicans have certainly showed us principled Conservatives how to expand your voter base...

You simply compromise with and caucus with Liberals and Democrats to expand your voter base.

Taking the country full blown Socialist while pretending to be Conservative, to the point we no longer see any difference whatsoever between you and the Democrats.

You guys are welcome to go keep marching to the Populist tune of Statism and lie to yourselves you stand for the Constitution or liberty when all you really are is repackaged Collectivists who think you can manage Socialism better. 

We will stand on principle, even if we stand alone.

So .. I'm going to guess you're one who won't see the correlation.

Enjoy preaching to your shadow.

[RoosGirl]

Actually, Americans are a pretty smart group.  They care not a whit about pretty words or biblical threats ... they care about finding someone who "gets" what's going on in their lives, cities and nation---and made the right choice.

All you have to do to keep from going down the drain is grab on.

Pardon my bluntness, but just because the turd is floating that doesn't make it a life boat.

[INVAR]

So .. I'm going to guess you're one who won't see the correlation.

Enjoy preaching to your shadow.

I will be able to look at myself in the mirror and stand in the day of Judgment.

Wide is the gate that leads to destruction.

[roamer_1]

Pardon my bluntness, but just because the turd is floating that doesn't make it a life boat.

 

QFT

[Cripplecreek]

Pardon my bluntness, but just because the turd is floating that doesn't make it a life boat.

I gotta remember that one.

[roamer_1]

All you have to do to keep from going down the drain is grab on.

@Right_in_Virginia
To WHAT?

There is no principle in Trump. *none*
Just an incoherent mob running in circles shouting 'Murica!!

[INVAR]

Actually, Americans are a pretty smart group.  They care not a whit about pretty words or biblical threats ...

That makes Americans pretty stupid actually.

Thinking themselves wise, they became fools.  Putting their faith and trust in men and their politicians, factions and institutions, rather than God.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I will be able to look at myself in the mirror and stand in the day of Judgment.  Wide is the gate that leads to destruction.

I am very relieved you represent the fringe of political discourse. 

[INVAR]

I am very relieved you represent the fringe of political discourse.

Yes.  The Bible and the Founders are certainly on the fringe of political discourse in this depraved culture.

I'm happy to be the tiny minority on the narrow path and not on the broad road you find yourself on.

[Mom MD]

While not personally a fan of either side, there's only one side attacking conservatives and it's not the NT's.

The NT are the conservatives, so it would be hard for them to attack themselves.  It is not lost on them that Trump has been a NY liberal most of his life, and the republican party has deserted us. I'm not a NT personally, I'm more of  Trump skeptic - Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I have to say I haven't seen much that I like other than Gorsuch. 

On the other hand the Trump supporters viciously and regularly attack conservatives, often for upholding conservative principles and not being willing to throw them away in the interest of pragmatism.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I'm happy to be the tiny minority on the narrow path ...

Good.  Stay there.

[Bigun]

The NT are the conservatives, so it would be hard for them to attack themselves.  It is not lost on them that Trump has been a NY liberal most of his life, and the republican party has deserted us. I'm not a NT personally, I'm more of  Trump skeptic - Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I have to say I haven't seen much that I like other than Gorsuch. 

On the other hand the Trump supporters viciously and regularly attack conservatives, often for upholding conservative principles and not being willing to throw them away in the interest of pragmatism.

I'm in the same boat except that I have seen far more to like than dislike up to now.

[corbe]

                    She sure straightened you out @INVAR