Police after Trump speech: We don't tolerate 'roughing up' prisoners

[Elderberry]

Sean Rossman, USA TODAY 7/29/2017

Law enforcement agencies condemned police violence Friday after President Trump advised New York officers "don't be too nice" during arrests.

New York City Police Department Commissioner James P. O'Neill, in a statement Saturday, said proposing police deviate from anything other than "reasonable and necessary" use of force is "irresponsible."

"The NYPD's training and policies relating to the use of force only allow for measures that are reasonable and necessary under any circumstances, including the arrest and transportation of prisoners," the statement said. "To suggest that police officers apply any standard in the use of force other than what is reasonable and necessary is irresponsible, unprofessional and sends the wrong message to law enforcement as well as the public."

The commissioner's remarks came a day after Trump seemed to encourage police violence while speaking to a group of officers on Long Island, N.Y.

“Like when you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over, like, don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody, don’t hit their head, I said, ‘You can take the hand away, OK?’" the president said.

More: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/07/29/police-trump-speech-violence/522561001/#

[Applewood]

In my little town, way back when, police used to rough up prisoners routinely.  One thief had the misfortune of stealing the purse belonging to the mayor's wife.  When he was arrested, the police beat the living daylights out of him.  The suspect was held in the local lockup overnight until the county sheriff sent a deputy to transport him to the county jail.  When the deputy saw the guy, all bruised and boodied, he asked what happened.  The police replied, "he fell down a flight of stairs."  The deputy didn't believe the story, so he asked the prisoner.  "Yeah, I fell down some steps," the suspect said.  I suppose he and/or his loved ones had been threatened if he told what really happened. 

This went on for years until one guy, who had been arrested but was later cleared of a crime, filed suit against the police department and won big time.  It took a hefty payout to cure the police of such behavior.

No, Trump, it's not a good idea for the police to beat up a prisoner.  And you, the supposedly well educated guy, should have known that.

[Suppressed]

Innocence until guilt has been proved is a fundamental American value.  This bully spits on American values  time and again, whether intentionally or not. 

[mountaineer]

Failing to protect a suspected murderer's head from being bumped as he's loaded into a cruiser doesn't quite rise to the level of police violence. The president's words may have been unnecessary and silly, but it's an overreaction to say he was encouraging police violence, in my opinion.

[Cripplecreek]

Innocence until guilt has been proved is a fundamental American value.  This bully spits on American values  time and again, whether intentionally or not.

He's never lived in the real world and had humility beaten into him either psychologically or physically and he thinks rules are something others have to live by.

[NavyCanDo]

This ranks up there with some of the most disturbing comments I heard him say...and with the audience he said it to.    Maybe next he can suggest police egnore the Miranda and have police beat the truth out of the those arrested. We can solve a lot of crimes early that way don't you know.

[mystery-ak]

I knew as soon as he said it there would be repercussions..it's one of his off-script moments I guess.

[Elderberry]

I knew as soon as he said it there would be repercussions..it's one of his off-script moments I guess.

Is he ever on-script?

[GtHawk]

Is he ever on-script?

My Bad, I took off script to mean off meds.

[Night Hides Not]

This ranks up there with some of the most disturbing comments I heard him say...and with the audience he said it to.    Maybe next he can suggest police egnore the Miranda and have police beat the truth out of the those arrested. We can solve a lot of crimes early that way don't you know.

Too bad no one in his administration has the guts to sit him down, show him a tape of his remarks, and follow that with "What in hell were you thinking?"

[Suppressed]

Too bad no one in his administration has the guts to sit him down, show him a tape of his remarks, and follow that with "What in hell were you thinking?"

I think the problem is that he's too clueless to even understand the magnitude of what he said.

[mountaineer]

Too bad no one in his administration has the guts to sit him down, show him a tape of his remarks, and follow that with "What in hell were you thinking?"

Apparently, there's no one to tell him to stop tweeting, either.

[Applewood]

I knew as soon as he said it there would be repercussions..it's one of his off-script moments I guess.

I believe his remarks weren't scripted.  The few sound bytes I heard sounded like one of his campaign rallies.  I noticed when he does have a prepared speech, he sounds more presidential.  Left to his own devices, he sounds like the neighborhood bully that he is.

[Suppressed]

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I noticed when he does have a prepared speech, he sounds more presidential.  Left to his own devices, he sounds like the neighborhood bully that he is.

There it is.

[Night Hides Not]

I believe his remarks weren't scripted.  The few sound bytes I heard sounded like one of his campaign rallies.  I noticed when he does have a prepared speech, he sounds more presidential.  Left to his own devices, he sounds like the neighborhood bully that he is.

Paraphrasing Emmitt Smith, a 71 year old leopard cannot change his stripes.

But we all knew that, despite protestations that Trump would "grow in the office." That has certainly been laid to rest. I expect nothing but more chaos from this Administration.
Can General Kelly bring it under control? I hope so, but that would require suspending disbelief, that Trump actually desires a change in the way things are done in his White House. At some point, Kelly will run afoul of Trump, and all hell will break loose.

[goatprairie]

Paraphrasing Emmitt Smith, a 71 year old leopard cannot change his stripes.

But we all knew that, despite protestations that Trump would "grow in the office." That has certainly been laid to rest. I expect nothing but more chaos from this Administration.
Can General Kelly bring it under control? I hope so, but that would require suspending disbelief, that Trump actually desires a change in the way things are done in his White House. At some point, Kelly will run afoul of Trump, and all hell will break loose.

Remember all the talk about how Trump would "pivot" into presidential mode after he was inaugurated?  I had a good laugh when hearing that twaddle.  I thought he'll be the same thoughtless, boorish Trump after he's sworn in as he was before.  He simply was never disciplined as a child (despite going to a military prep school), or the discipline never took hold. He remains himself, totally unmoored from previous presidential actions and attitudes of proper behavior.

[Jazzhead]

Innocence until guilt has been proved is a fundamental American value.  This bully spits on American values  time and again, whether intentionally or not.

I am sick and tired of the Bully-in-Chief.   He sounds like President Duerte of the Philippines. 

[Cripplecreek]

Paraphrasing Emmitt Smith, a 71 year old leopard cannot change his stripes.

But we all knew that, despite protestations that Trump would "grow in the office." That has certainly been laid to rest. I expect nothing but more chaos from this Administration.
Can General Kelly bring it under control? I hope so, but that would require suspending disbelief, that Trump actually desires a change in the way things are done in his White House. At some point, Kelly will run afoul of Trump, and all hell will break loose.

More likely Kelly will be out the first time he disagrees with Trump.

[XenaLee]

Failing to protect a suspected murderer's head from being bumped as he's loaded into a cruiser doesn't quite rise to the level of police violence. The president's words may have been unnecessary and silly, but it's an overreaction to say he was encouraging police violence, in my opinion.

Ehh.... the problem isn't the damage or lack thereof that might occur to some perp's head due to what Trump suggested.  The problem is the implied 'it's ok to go against policy and procedure' that will be interpreted and perceived by some as 'it's ok to rough up a suspect if you're in the mood to pre-judge him'.  Sets a VERY dangerous precedent.  Obviously.  Well... obvious to everyone but Trump.

[jmyrlefuller]

Too bad no one in his administration has the guts to sit him down, show him a tape of his remarks, and follow that with "What in hell were you thinking?"

He employs Steve Bannon. He probably sits Trump down, shows him a tape of his remarks, and follows that with "Attaboy!"

[Cripplecreek]

Ehh.... the problem isn't the damage or lack thereof that might occur to some perp's head due to what Trump suggested.  The problem is the implied 'it's ok to go against policy and procedure' that will be interpreted and perceived by some as 'it's ok to rough up a suspect if you're in the mood to pre-judge him'.  Sets a VERY dangerous precedent.  Obviously.  Well... obvious to everyone but Trump.

It should be treated the same as Obama's tacit approval of rioting and violence against police.

If a democrat had said the same they would rightfully be accused of working with Obama to incite violence.

[aligncare]

He's never lived in the real world and had humility beaten into him either psychologically or physically and he thinks rules are something others have to live by.

When Donald Trump was in his late teens and early 20's his dad made him work his entire summers on construction sites. He would rotate through the various trades. He worked with plumbers, sheet rockers, electricians, on foundation pours, every aspect of building, working side by side doing the job with tradespeople.

He knows what the average Joe is thinking and saying. One of his best qualities is his ability to listen intently to others. He developed his skills for using crude language on-the-job.

They don't call Trump the blue-collar billionaire for nothing. He identifies quite well with average, everyday Americans.

[Applewood]

@aligncare

When Senator Pat Toomey was running for re-election last year, his opponent ran campaign ads saying she knew how hard it was for working families because she grew up in one.  Thing is, while she well may have grow up in a working class family, she and her husband were now millionaires many times over.  After years of living the good life, she was very far removed from the struggles of her childhood.  She no longer has any idea how tough it is for most ordinary Americans.  I t believe Trump no longer has that connection to ordinary Americans either.

As for picking up swearing while working in construction -- that's not something I would brag about as a skill.  It's a bad habit that shows a total lack of class.  I admit I use some salty language, but it's not a skill I would brag about.

[Oceander]

When Donald Trump was in his late teens and early 20's his dad made him work his entire summers on construction sites. He would rotate through the various trades. He worked with plumbers, sheet rockers, electricians, on foundation pours, every aspect of building, working side by side doing the job with tradespeople.

He knows what the average Joe is thinking and saying. One of his best qualities is his ability to listen intently to others. He developed his skills for using crude language on-the-job.

They don't call Trump the blue-collar billionaire for nothing. He identifies quite well with average, everyday Americans.

/snicker

Yeah, the same daddy who made sure sonny-boy had millions to play around with. 

[Suppressed]

One of his best qualities is his ability to listen intently to others.

Except intelligence beiefings.

If what you say about him is true, then it's the indicator of a man who doesn't understand the appropriateness of behavior in various milieux.

A great leader can seamlessly shift his mode of communication to what's appropriate. A dunce acts like a clod.