Frustrated House GOP to begin five-week recess

[bilo]

It also solidified and made their betrayal (once again) of the voters (that would be us) official.

We get it now.

 

[bilo]

Seven Senators opposed the Senate bill. If five had voted for, it would have passed.

So for the sake of 5 Senators in one chamber, you geniuses want to kick the GOP out of power and declare all is lost?

You want to punish all of America for the sake of 5 Senators? You think McConnell could have influenced Collins, Murkowski and McCain?

Great reasoning. I used to say even before the 2016 primaries, that many "true conservatives," were "math and logic challenged." That view is being reinforced.

It boils down to: "I didn't get by way. I quit, and America can suffer."

All of my voting life I took your view. Lets get incremental change. Lets not punish the entire party for the treachery of a few. I've come to realize there is a flaw in this reasoning. The flaw is when the party continues to receive support even though they failed to keep their promises there is no urgency to instilling party discipline.

The failure on healthcare is the perfect example of no party discipline, or consequences for breaking with the party. Every Senator who voted for repeal in 2015 and did not vote for repeal in 2017 should have known that their careers in the Senate would be over. The Pub party has no discipline. They don't cut funding to those who break with the party. They don't run opponents against them in the primaries. They don't remove them from their chairmanships. They don't make it clear to them that any "pet" projects or legislation they want passed is dead. As a result, when core issues come up for a vote the Rats can always count on the Pubs failing to stay united.

I'm done with the Pubs and I will actively campaign among my conservative friends to drop them as well.

[HonestJohn]

They should have voted on the 12 appropriations bills before leaving.

They couldn't agree on those, either.

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Of course, it is difficult to reach the 50% (plus 1 more vote) when the GOP will only negotiate amongst themselves.

We just saw that in the Senate, too.  For with only 52 GOP Senators, they needed at least 50 to agree.  In reality, near lockstep unanimity.

Unanimous agreement was also required with the Articles of Confederation, too.

And that failed, spectacularly.

[Bigun]

All of my voting life I took your view. Lets get incremental change. Lets not punish the entire party for the treachery of a few. I've come to realize there is a flaw in this reasoning. The flaw is when the party continues to receive support even though they failed to keep their promises there is no urgency to instilling party discipline.

The failure on healthcare is the perfect example of no party discipline, or consequences for breaking with the party. Every Senator who voted for repeal in 2015 and did not vote for repeal in 2017 should have known that their careers in the Senate would be over. The Pub party has no discipline. They don't cut funding to those who break with the party. They don't run opponents against them in the primaries. They don't remove them from their chairmanships. They don't make it clear to them that any "pet" projects or legislation they want passed is dead. As a result, when core issues come up for a vote the Rats can always count on the Pubs failing to stay united.

I'm done with the Pubs and I will actively campaign among my conservative friends to drop them as well.

I was told years ago but would not listen.  Now I  know.  I'm right there with you!

[truth_seeker]

So you suggest that we should still vote Republican even though they lied to us, broke their promises and really don't give a (expletive) for any of us, even though we elected them, thereby making us their employer?   If you owned a business and you had an employee who lied, cheated and stole from you, would you continue to employ him? 

I'm tired of this nonsense that we have to vote Republican because Democrats are much worse.  I don't know about you, but these days I see little, if any, difference between the two parties.  Both lie, cheat, steal and break promises.  And make no mistake, both parties want government to control every aspect of your life, including whether you live or die.  They crave absolute power.  They all want to be god.

No way in hell will I vote for either party ever again.  They can all kiss my posterior.

The LOGICAL target of your frustration SHOULD BE the voters, who selected those 7 Senators (or 5).

Ask yourself ""what can I do, to get smarter voters in another state?"

Perhaps you believe it is voting 3rd party, with the result of electing more democrats?

Conservatism as a political philosophy has rested on past laurels for a long time. Few in or outside politics can make persuasive arguments for it, or even define it well.

[XenaLee]

These 5 House Republicans are ripping their Senate colleagues over healthcare

 By Julia Manchester - 07/29/17 12:06 PM EDT 

Republican efforts to fulfill a seven year campaign promise to repeal and replace ObamaCare failed in the Senate early hours of Friday morning, with 48 Democrats and three Republicans opposing the measure.

Because the House successfully passed an ObamaCare repeal and replace bill, the Senate is now in the crosshairs for the collapse of the effort.

Here are some of the House Republicans speaking out against their colleagues in the upper chamber.

Paul Ryan
 
House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who led the House in passing its own version of a repeal and replace bill, voiced his frustrations with the result of the repeal and replace efforts on Friday, saying although he was “disappointed and frustrated,” he encourages “the Senate to continue working toward a real solution that keeps our promise.”

However, Ryan reportedly did not mince words during a close door meeting, saying the House of Representatives was the only arm of government that was functioning, according to CNN.

Mo Brooks

CNN reported that during the same meeting Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) yelled “low bar!”

Brooks even called for McConnell’s resignation, saying “the buck stops there.”

"Unquestionably, the leadership at the top is responsible. The buck stops there, that's why you take on that kind of responsibility," Brooks told CNN’s Chris Cuomo. "And if Mitch McConnell cannot get the job done on this, how is he going to get the job done on the rest of President Trump's agenda over the next three-and-a-half years? This is a killer."

"It's not necessarily anything bad about Mitch McConnell himself personally," he said. "But he's got a job to do, and if he can't do it, then, as 'The Apprentice' would say, 'you're fired,' get somebody who can."

Bradley Byrne

Rep. Bradley Bryne (R-Ala.) offered more toned down comments, saying he did not want to point the finger at one person, but that the Senate has an institutional problem.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/house/344455-6-house-republicans-blaming-senate-gop-for-healthcare-failure

Is Byrne saying that the institutional problem is that idiot McConnell?  Or... is he saying they have a problem with sanity?  Or is he saying 'both'.  (my guess is, the latter)

[dfwgator]

Aww...they're frustrated.  I wonder if they have any idea how the American people feel?  You know the ones who are paying up the azz for health insurance, or who have lost their doctor, or who can't afford to go to the doctor? Or who have lost their jobs because of Bammycare.  Meanwhile the a**holes that created this situation, decide they need a vacation!!!  :nometalk: :nometalk:  Where's my vacation?  My vacation dollars are spent on trying to afford health care!

I never thought I would say this, but there is absolutely no point in going to the ballot box anymore.

Think I'll open a store selling torches and pitchforks.

[Applewood]

The LOGICAL target of your frustration SHOULD BE the voters, who selected those 7 Senators (or 5).

Ask yourself ""what can I do, to get smarter voters in another state?"

Tried educating voters last year during the presidential campaign.    The voters wanted the reality TV star.

Perhaps you believe it is voting 3rd party, with the result of electing more democrats?
   

Did you read my last post? There is little, if any, difference between the two parties.  Why vote for either of them?   

Conservatism as a political philosophy has rested on past laurels for a long time. Few in or outside politics can make persuasive arguments for it, or even define it well.

Well, the alt-right has redefined the term, made it unsavory to the voters and engineered its rejection as a qualification for anyone running for office.  Plus candidates who claim to be really conservative  turn liberal once they get into office. 

[bilo]

I was told years ago but would not listen.  Now I  know.  I'm right there with you!

Thank you.

Like you I was told they would sell me out when it counted, but I wouldn't listen. Now I've learned my lesson and to those I ridiculed for saying they would sell me out I apologize.

[Bigun]

Thank you.

Like you I was told they would sell me out when it counted, but I wouldn't listen. Now I've learned my lesson and to those I ridiculed for saying they would sell me out I apologize.

Like you, I had no idea how bad swamp disease really is at the time.  That has now been remedied.

[Night Hides Not]

Like you, I had no idea how bad swamp disease really is at the time.  That has now been remedied.

For many, John McCain's vote will be the final nail in the GOP coffin.

Be not proud, McCain, you sold your soul in order to give the finger to Trump. You're just a bitter old man, nothing more.

Me? I quit the GOP in 2014, when McConnell pulled out the stops to beat Chris McDaniel in MS.