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Trump’s transgender ban will likely land in court
« on: July 28, 2017, 03:12:25 pm »

President Trump’s apparent intent to reverse the 10-month-old Pentagon policy that allows transgender troops to serve openly is likely to set the stage for a legal battle between the Defense Department and those troops at risk of involuntary separation, legal experts say. 

“[We’re going to] raise all holy hell that this is intolerable and say we’re not going to go away quietly on this issue,” said Matt Thorn, executive director of OutServe-SLDN, an organization that represents the transgender community in the U.S. military.

Trump posted a flurry of tweets early Wednesday morning saying transgender people would be barred from serving in the military “in any capacity.” While the tweets themselves have no legal bearing, Trump’s Twitter proclamations likely foreshadow an executive order setting in motion a formal change to the Pentagon’s policy.

But Thorn and others say that ban would violate transgender service members’ civil rights, specifically the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which makes it illegal for employers to discriminate against employees by any means — including gender identity.

And Thorn says his advocacy group has already identified several potential plaintiffs from among the estimated 7,000 transgender troops on active duty. The group would file a lawsuit almost immediately should a ban be enacted, he said.

However, a quick lawsuit might not lead to a quick decision, warns Greg Greiner, a partner at Tully Rinckey law firm and head of its Military and National Security Law Practice Group.


https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-military/2017/07/27/trumps-transgender-ban-will-likely-land-in-court/

Like litigation regarding the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, Greiner says that a court case against a transgender military ban would likely drag on for years. But the process could begin soon.
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Re: Trump’s transgender ban will likely land in court
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2017, 03:13:20 pm »
Equating ones desire to self identify as a man or a woman when your genetic make up says otherwise to some kind of civil rights struggle is one of the dumbest legal arguments of the last two centuries.
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Re: Trump’s transgender ban will likely land in court
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2017, 03:15:19 pm »
Equating ones desire to self identify as a man or a woman when your genetic make up says otherwise to some kind of civil rights struggle is one of the dumbest legal arguments of the last two centuries.

First World Problems.

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Re: Trump’s transgender ban will likely land in court
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2017, 03:15:59 pm »
First World Problems.

And ones that won't do anything to improve the combat effectiveness of the military either.
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Re: Trump’s transgender ban will likely land in court
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2017, 05:31:54 pm »
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 says nothing about gender identity.

That being said, I imagine the problem will be avoided by not booting people who came "out" as transgender in the last year.  All they have to do is retain the current policy on no transgender enlistments, not provide either hormone therapy or surgery to "transition", and require self-identified "transgender" service members to comply with the standards and requirements of their biological sex.  As long as they do that, transgender service members can stay in.

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Re: Trump’s transgender ban will likely land in court
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2017, 05:34:23 pm »
Exactly as I expected.

This will end up with the same results the immigration ban from Islamic Jihad states has.
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Re: Trump’s transgender ban will likely land in court
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2017, 05:57:53 pm »
Binding legislation requires more than vague decrees via twitter.

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Re: Trump’s transgender ban will likely land in court
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2017, 06:04:43 pm »
Binding legislation requires more than vague decrees via twitter.

There is NO binding legislation on this topic. It is completely and executive decision to implement by the 0bama admin. Congress never passed any act to implement the whole military transgender thing.

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Re: Trump’s transgender ban will likely land in court
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2017, 06:07:29 pm »
This assumes he actually does it. A tweet does not a policy make.

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Re: Trump’s transgender ban will likely land in court
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2017, 10:48:08 pm »
My prediction is that the Supreme Court will defer to the administration on this.

(Hey... I thought Anthony Kennedy was gonna retire?
Why is he still there?)