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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #75 on: July 28, 2017, 09:34:35 pm »
Someone has a different take on the matter.

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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #77 on: July 28, 2017, 10:30:22 pm »
It's just as well the "skinny plan" failed, because it would have paved the way to single payer. 

You can't sustain community-rated insurance without some mechanism to address the free rider problem.   I know I keep harping about this, but it's really just Insurance 101 -  if folks can wait to get insurance until they get sick,  the insurance marketplace will collapse.  Current ACA marketplace insurers were petrified of the skinny plan - they knew it would bring about a death spiral.   You cannot eliminate the individual mandate without replacing it with an effective penalty against free ridership.  The House idea of allowing insurers to charge higher premiums wasn't in the skinny plan, nor was the Senate idea of forcing free riders to suffer a six month wait.

It was indeed the worst of both worlds - it kept the community rating requirement, but eliminated penalties on free ridership.  It was a disaster waiting to happen (which is why several Senators demanded a House leadership promise to NOT adopt the skinny plan as a condition of their vote!)

I'm surprised at least one smart Dem didn't vote for it, as a way of forcing the conditions for single payer.   
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #78 on: July 28, 2017, 10:42:28 pm »
While your critique of the "skinny plan" is valid.  The point was to at least keep the Repeal and Replace process moving forward.  The flaws with the "skinny plan" could have been addressed.   Now, we are right back at square one, and it's pretty much dead. 
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #79 on: July 28, 2017, 10:50:09 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on July 28, 2017, 08:24:33 pm
Dude you are obviously on the wrong site. If you think a "solution" from 46 democrats would really fix it,  is not a conservative solution.

It is a liberal solution.

I'm pointing out the math.

Not commenting on whether it's a good idea or not.  And you should understand that putting the word "fix" in italics means that I don't particularly see any 'fix' that they'd pass as much of a true fix.
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #80 on: July 29, 2017, 12:15:05 am »
Quote from: HonestJohn on July 28, 2017, 07:37:15 pm
He doesn't have anything to lose now.  He knows the only one he's going to answer to now... is the Lord.

So he's going to vote his conscience, and there isn't any amount of pressure that can be exerted anymore.

You're right.  This is McCain's swan song,  and he figures he might as well speak truth to power.   The skinny bill is not responsible policy.  ObamaCare was conceived as a partisan bludgeon,  and the GOP is trying to deal with it in an equally partisan fashion.

Conservatives aren't going to get what they want.  They had a shot, but they blew it.   The ACA fix is going to be a moderate fix,  with bipartisan support.    Trump will sign the bill, because he's exerting no leadership of its own, he just wants a political victory. 

Conservatives have to rethink how we approach the job of governing,  but they first have to regain credibility.    I know exactly how we can do that,  and you do too.   
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #81 on: July 29, 2017, 01:13:08 am »
Quote from: Jazzhead on July 28, 2017, 10:30:22 pm
It's just as well the "skinny plan" failed, because it would have paved the way to single payer. 

You can't sustain community-rated insurance without some mechanism to address the free rider problem.   I know I keep harping about this, but it's really just Insurance 101 -  if folks can wait to get insurance until they get sick,  the insurance marketplace will collapse.  Current ACA marketplace insurers were petrified of the skinny plan - they knew it would bring about a death spiral.   You cannot eliminate the individual mandate without replacing it with an effective penalty against free ridership.  The House idea of allowing insurers to charge higher premiums wasn't in the skinny plan, nor was the Senate idea of forcing free riders to suffer a six month wait.

It was indeed the worst of both worlds - it kept the community rating requirement, but eliminated penalties on free ridership.  It was a disaster waiting to happen (which is why several Senators demanded a House leadership promise to NOT adopt the skinny plan as a condition of their vote!)

I'm surprised at least one smart Dem didn't vote for it, as a way of forcing the conditions for single payer.   
keep repeating the 'free rider'.  You have branded yourself as the lib you are, and you are the reminder we need that there are those like you which declare we who do not wish the govt to run our healthcare are seen by you as the bad guys.

And where is the answer to the math quiz on getting 100 votes out of only 99 voters?  Silent again?
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #82 on: July 29, 2017, 01:27:04 am »
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Multiple Hill staffers confirm last night McCain was heard laughing w Dems and remarked, "Lets see Donald make america great again now"
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #83 on: July 29, 2017, 01:50:01 am »
Quote from: mystery-ak on July 29, 2017, 01:27:04 am
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Multiple Hill staffers confirm last night McCain was heard laughing w Dems and remarked, "Lets see Donald make america great again now"
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Wowser! I wouldn't put it past McCain- wonder if we will have this confirmed. While I respect McCain's war service, I do not respect his politics.
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #84 on: July 29, 2017, 02:00:12 am »
Quote from: HonestJohn on July 28, 2017, 07:37:15 pm
He doesn't have anything to lose now.  He knows the only one he's going to answer to now... is the Lord.

So he's going to vote his conscience, and there isn't any amount of pressure that can be exerted anymore.


True. There is no way he is going to make it to reelection. He is free to get all the 'revenge' he wants now. It will be nothing but pure vindictiveness from now on, until whenever the end comes.
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #85 on: July 29, 2017, 02:01:14 am »
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Multiple Hill staffers confirm last night McCain was heard laughing w Dems and remarked, "Lets see Donald make america great again now"
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There's a shocker....NOT!
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #86 on: July 29, 2017, 02:50:55 am »
Quote from: austingirl on July 29, 2017, 01:50:01 am
Wowser! I wouldn't put it past McCain- wonder if we will have this confirmed. While I respect McCain's war service, I do not respect his politics.

I have no respect for him what-so-ever and the only reason you do is that he has been made famous by the media because of the family he comes from. If he was anyone else he would probably have seen the inside of Leavenworth.
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #87 on: July 29, 2017, 03:44:42 am »
John McCain served in the military.  There are various conflicting stories of his service and certainly his actions after he returned home are questionable.  There is little doubt (at least in my opinion) that he has done little good for the American people as a Senator and certainly has done nothing positive for the Republican Party.  I can proudly say I didn't vote for him. 

Yes, he has brain cancer and I feel compassion for him as a human being, that compassion does comes with difficulty knowing his past actions in the Senate and with this vote I see him as despicable and I might add it seems he has little conscience.
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #88 on: July 29, 2017, 08:38:37 am »
Quote from: 240B on July 29, 2017, 02:00:12 am

True. There is no way he is going to make it to reelection. He is free to get all the 'revenge' he wants now. It will be nothing but pure vindictiveness from now on, until whenever the end comes.

His behavior is going to become more erratic as time passes.  We already have a diagnosis: his brain is turning itself into a giant walnut.  And I guess we're supposed stand by and give him room to destroy.  Nothing but the best for America.
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #90 on: July 29, 2017, 06:19:08 pm »
Quote from: mrpotatohead on July 29, 2017, 02:01:14 am
There's a shocker....NOT!

Guess Trump shouldn't have said that he ddn't think McCain wasn't a war hero... because 'he didn't like people who got captured'.

Some people recognized how that'd make it difficult to work with the guy.  The rest...
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #91 on: July 29, 2017, 07:14:21 pm »
Quote from: HonestJohn on July 29, 2017, 06:19:08 pm
Guess Trump shouldn't have said that he ddn't think McCain wasn't a war hero... because 'he didn't like people who got captured'.

Some people recognized how that'd make it difficult to work with the guy.  The rest...


Not too sure why that should excuse or justify McCain's vote, since all it does is drop him down to Trump's level. 
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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #92 on: July 29, 2017, 07:23:13 pm »
Quote from: cato potatoe on July 29, 2017, 08:38:37 am
His behavior is going to become more erratic as time passes.  We already have a diagnosis: his brain is turning itself into a giant walnut.  And I guess we're supposed stand by and give him room to destroy.  Nothing but the best for America.



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Re: McCain Comes Through for Democrats, Casts Deciding ‘No’ Vote on GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #93 on: July 29, 2017, 09:32:48 pm »
Biden lobbied McCain on healthcare vote: report

 By Brooke Seipel - 07/29/17 03:49 PM EDT   

Former Vice President Joe Biden reportedly called Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) ahead of Friday's vote on Senate Republicans' healthcare bill, asking that he oppose the legislation.

According to a report by The Washington Post, McCain was called by both Biden and former Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) ahead of the vote, both pleading with McCain to oppose the "skinny' repeal.

Lieberman supported voting for ObamaCare while a senator, and reportedly explained that continued support to McCain during his call.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/house/344476-biden-lobbied-mccain-on-healthcare-vote-report
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« Reply #94 on: July 29, 2017, 09:44:49 pm »
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« Reply #95 on: July 29, 2017, 11:49:42 pm »

Senator Cruz Just Spoke for Most of America In Three Powerful Sentences


Senator Ted Cruz let his disappointment in his party’s inability to repeal Obamacare after Senator John McCain oddly voted “NO” on said repeal, stating that many Americans “feel a sense of betrayal”.


http://redrightvideos.com/senator-cruz-just-spoke-america-three-powerful-sentences/
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