Defend Trump? We Weren’t Elected To Spend ‘All Of Our Time On This,’ Ryan Says

[driftdiver]

Then Trump should not have burned so many bridges.  And they, as members of congress, act first and foremost as such, and not as members of a particular political party.  You have the US confused with a parliamentary system if you think that's the way it's supposed to work.

Since when do members of Congress act first and foremost for anyone but themselves and reelection?

Bridges have two sides and both must be supportive.    A bridge with only one side is really a ramp going down.

[XenaLee]

They got elected for a lot of reasons.  They also got elected to replace Obamacare, not just repeal it, and the devil is certainly in the details there.  However, the fact that they dropped the ball there is utterly irrelevant to whether they owe Trump any fealty.  They don't.

I think that.... as members of the GOP, they certainly do owe at least some semblance of loyalty to the Republican president when it comes to enacting conservative or Republican policies and legislation.   They expose themselves, IMO, otherwise.... as (dare I say it?  I dare!  I dare!)....

'other' than righties ..... such as full-blown Republicans In Name Only. 

As for "replacement" of ObamaCare.... there is no replacement of crap other than more crap.  Not a choice the voters were given when they were promised repeal.

[Emjay]

No kidding. If he doesn't want to bothered defending Trump, at least get off his lazy hind end and start passing the reform legislation that is way overdue. If you want to hide behind separation of powers, then start stepping up and leading your branch of govt.

Ryan called attention to himself with that unfortunate statement  (assuming he made it). 

Just because Trump did something stupid ... like the tweet bemoaning lack of support from elected Pubs ... doesn't give Paul Ryan a license to say something stupider.

It only calls attention to the failure of Ryan and Congress which is actually worse than the Trump failures.

[GrouchoTex]

President Donald Trump is their boss, their CEO, and it is their #1 job to defend and support him. He should start firing anyone in Congress disloyal to him and who doesn't fully support him. He is the boss after all.







_{If you can't tell, that was very sarcastic but a reflection of what many believe.}

 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

You'd prefer Speaker Pelosi?

I just want the President to work with the Best people.
http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/primary-problem-trump-praised-pelosi-as-the-best-052651

[Oceander]

I just want the President to work with the Best people.
http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/primary-problem-trump-praised-pelosi-as-the-best-052651

[Oceander]

I think that.... as members of the GOP, they certainly do owe at least some semblance of loyalty to the Republican president when it comes to enacting conservative or Republican policies and legislation.   They expose themselves, IMO, otherwise.... as (dare I say it?  I dare!  I dare!)....

'other' than righties ..... such as full-blown Republicans In Name Only. 

As for "replacement" of ObamaCare.... there is no replacement of crap other than more crap.  Not a choice the voters were given when they were promised repeal.

Then I guess we have to agree to disagree.  They were elected as members of congress under the Constitution, which makes no place for political parties and party loyalty, and their duty is to carry out their Constitutional mandate, not to carry out the agenda of a president who belongs to the same political party. 

[Sanguine]

Since when do members of Congress act first and foremost for anyone but themselves and reelection?

Bridges have two sides and both must be supportive.    A bridge with only one side is really a ramp going down.

Or, up.

[XenaLee]

Then I guess we have to agree to disagree.  They were elected as members of congress under the Constitution, which makes no place for political parties and party loyalty, and their duty is to carry out their Constitutional mandate, not to carry out the agenda of a president who belongs to the same political party.

But.... carrying out the agenda of a president of the same political party would equate to and be the same as adhering to the wishes of their constituents.... the voters that put them into the majority.  Do you not see that?   

If not, then yeah.... we must agree to disagree on this.

[Oceander]

But.... carrying out the agenda of a president of the same political party would equate to and be the same as adhering to the wishes of their constituents.... the voters that put them into the majority.  Do you not see that?   

If not, then yeah.... we must agree to disagree on this.

No, it would not.  That only works in a parliamentary system where political party defines your obligations.  The US is not a parliamentary system. 

[endicom]

Ryan: ...we were elected to solve people’s problems...


Thereby creating problems. Better that they stayed out of our lives.

[libertybele]

And the hour of "President Pence" draws a few minutes closer.

IF that happens, Pence will be next on the chopping block. They won't stop until Ryan is seated in the oval office.  Just my opinion.

[txradioguy]

IF that happens, Pence will be next on the chopping block. They won't stop until Ryan is seated in the oval office.  Just my opinion.

Big difference being that Mike Pence doesn't bring near the baggage or past Liberal Democrat baggage that Trump does. Makes a harder target to hit.

[ConservativeGranny]

But.... carrying out the agenda of a president of the same political party would equate to and be the same as adhering to the wishes of their constituents.... the voters that put them into the majority.   

Not necessarily. When someone is elected a senator they represent their state. That includes everyone in the state whether they are a dem or repub. Same with a representative. They represent voters in their district no matter what party they may be or whether or not they voted for them. When I call my senator or congressperson they do not ask me which political party I represent. My opinion should matter and I have a right to lobby my senators and reps and have them listen to me even if I am of a different party or didn't vote for them. They represent me and the rest of the people in my state. They owe their loyalty to us, not to the POTUS and his agenda. When they go to DC we expect them to answer to us first. That is where their main loyalty lies. That is why we call them our representatives. They do not represent the president.

This is the way it is supposed to work. There are times when a senator or congressperson votes against the agenda of the president because they worry about being re-elected or they have received pressure from those they represent.

When a senator is elected their constituency includes Independents, Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians and everything in between. In many states you do not have to even declare a party when you vote. In WI for example you could vote for a Republican for Senate and a Democrat for president. Some politicians run under a party not because they share an agenda but because they live in a district where running under the party that their beliefs most align with would not win them an election. Take for example Sheriff David Clark who is a Conservative Republican but runs as a Democrat.

This is the way our form of government was set up and intended to be.

[Oceander]

IF that happens, Pence will be next on the chopping block. They won't stop until Ryan is seated in the oval office.  Just my opinion.

He'd be next up in the hot seat, but I rather doubt he'd do like Trump and hand his head to the democrats on a silver platter.

[libertybele]

Ryan had to know from Day One the Democrats were going to come after Trump with everything they had.

Ryan is a RINO ...as for Pence, I didn't hear of the guy until Trump selected him.  I've heard both positives and negatives. 

[TomSea]

Big difference being that Mike Pence doesn't bring near the baggage or past Liberal Democrat baggage that Trump does. Makes a harder target to hit.

NTs like you are more like a Democrat when one is talking down the most pro-life President ever.  Sure, they can call other names, that's all they have. There is blood on the hands of the Never Trumpers and yet, they get their knickers in a twist if Trump says something slightly negative about his own AG.

[Oceander]

NTs like you are more like a Democrat when one is talking down the most pro-life President ever.  Sure, they can call other names, that's all they have. There is blood on the hands of the Never Trumpers and yet, they get their knickers in a twist if Trump says something slightly negative about his own AG.

[Mod2]

NTs like you are more like a Democrat when one is talking down the most pro-life President ever.  Sure, they can call other names, that's all they have. There is blood on the hands of the Never Trumpers and yet, they get their knickers in a twist if Trump says something slightly negative about his own AG.

Tom, this isn't an abortion thread.  Please stick to the topic.

[Frank Cannon]

Tom, this isn't an abortion thread.  Please stick to the topic.

Maybe the thread should be aborted.

[driftdiver]

Big difference being that Mike Pence doesn't bring near the baggage or past Liberal Democrat baggage that Trump does. Makes a harder target to hit.

@txradioguy

Do we know that and does it matter?    The Dems and eGOP want Trump out.  It doesn't matter why or how.    He threatens their power structure and socialist agenda. 

There are attacks against Pence and they would ramp up if he were to replace Trump.   He was a Gov and not a really well known one.   Does he have the political clout to defend himself against those monsters?

Whats next after that?   Paul Ryan would become President, the perfect establishment flunkie.   If the process takes too long they'd get Pelosi.

Oh if Trump is removed from office Pence would be next.

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy

Do we know that and does it matter?    The Dems and eGOP want Trump out.  It doesn't matter why or how.    He threatens their power structure and socialist agenda. 

There are attacks against Pence and they would ramp up if he were to replace Trump.   He was a Gov and not a really well known one.   Does he have the political clout to defend himself against those monsters?

Whats next after that?   Paul Ryan would become President, the perfect establishment flunkie.   If the process takes too long they'd get Pelosi.

Pence has been in politics and under political scrutiny far longer than Trump.  If there was something there...they'd have found it before...or waited until he was the VP candidate to drop the bombshell in order to get him to drop out.

Oh if Trump is removed from office Pence would be next.

Probably not.