Defend Trump? We Weren’t Elected To Spend ‘All Of Our Time On This,’ Ryan Says

[Oceander]

Ryan had to know from Day One the Democrats were going to come after Trump with everything they had. 

Trump should have known that too, but he not only did nothing about it (e.g., preemptive disclosures that would have defanged some of the current innuendo), he keeps actively throwing gas on the fire and giving them more ammunition. 

How can one defend someone who doesn't want to defend themselves?

[XenaLee]

Because the president's agenda is not ipso facto the agenda all Congressional republicans are required to follow.  That is one of the essential differences between the US system and the parliamentary systems many other countries have.  The Founders, btw, intended that result.  Congress is an independent coordinate body with its own agenda (agendas, actually, because each Member was elected to represent a certain specific group of people, not the nation at large), and the president must therefore persuade Congress to follow his agenda, particularly if it conflicts with their own agenda(s).  Trump is proving beyond any doubt that he is incapable of performing this most important task of being president.

Yes, but unfortunately.... Congress's agenda does not seem to match up with what the people that voted them into office or elected them to do.  I call that a dysfunctional system of government.  Of course Congress can't or won't be loyal to the CIC.  They can't or won't even be loyal to their constituents.

[Oceander]

Yes, but unfortunately.... Congress's agenda does not seem to match up with what the people that voted them into office or elected them to do.  I call that a dysfunctional system of government.  Of course Congress can't or won't be loyal to the CIC.  They can't or won't even by loyal to their constituents.

How do you know that?  Have you canvassed each member of Congress and their constituents individually?

And Congress is not supposed to be loyal to the CnC, except as to individual members who may be in military service.  The Founders set it up that way. 

[XenaLee]

You didn't see the fine print?

@AbaraXas

I did see the fine print.  I did make an edit on that post ...but it has somehow disappeared.  And lo and behold.... you have now "edited" MY post to you. ...????

What the "F"???

[ABX]

@AbaraXas

I did see the fine print.  I did make an edit on that post ...but it has somehow disappeared.  And lo and behold.... you have now "edited" MY post to you. ...????

What the "F"???

That was my mistake and I apologize, instead of clicking quote, I clicked modify (admin feature).

I will undo it now.

[XenaLee]

How do you know that?  Have you canvassed each member of Congress and their constituents individually?

And Congress is not supposed to be loyal to the CnC, except as to individual members who may be in military service.  The Founders set it up that way.

Oh please....give me a break.  Main example:  Congress has screwed over most Americans that put them into the majority on the basis of NOT fulfilling their promise(s) to repeal ObamaCare. 

[skeeter]

Because the president's agenda is not ipso facto the agenda all Congressional republicans are required to follow.  That is one of the essential differences between the US system and the parliamentary systems many other countries have.  The Founders, btw, intended that result.  Congress is an independent coordinate body with its own agenda (agendas, actually, because each Member was elected to represent a certain specific group of people, not the nation at large), and the president must therefore persuade Congress to follow his agenda, particularly if it conflicts with their own agenda(s).  Trump is proving beyond any doubt that he is incapable of performing this most important task of being president.

I didn't say congress was required to follow the president's agenda. But you would agree with me that thats been pretty much typical in the past, right? First 100 days and all.

[XenaLee]

That was my mistake and I apologize, instead of clicking quote, I clicked modify (admin feature).

I will undo it now.

Oh..ok.   I was thinking I was needing coffee worse than I thought...lol. 

No problem.

[Sanguine]

Pence did have an "A" on his Liberty Review scorecard while he was governor.

[Oceander]

Oh please....give me a break.  Main example:  Congress has screwed over most Americans that put them into the majority on the basis of NOT fulfilling their promise(s) to repeal ObamaCare. 

First, I agree in general that the GOP dropped the ball by not using the last eight years to develop a full replacement for Obamacare, however, even on that issue it is not so simple as that; it was never about simply repealing and going back to status quo ante because the status quo ante was not good for a lot of people either, including many republican voters. 

[Oceander]

I didn't say congress was required to follow the president's agenda. But you would agree with me that thats been pretty much typical in the past, right? First 100 days and all.

Only to the extent that the incoming president has built a rapport and understanding with Congress.  Trump never did and, in fact, went out of his way to make enemies and burn bridges even before he was elected.  I thought it was really bizarre that the only relationship Trump tried to repair after his election was the one with Clinton, when he said he had no intention of going after her and didn't want to hurt them.  He didn't make any similar peace offerings with GOP members of Congress whom he had attacked during the election. 

[truth_seeker]

First, I agree in general that the GOP dropped the ball by not using the last eight years to develop a full replacement for Obamacare, however, even on that issue it is not so simple as that; it was never about simply repealing and going back to status quo ante because the status quo ante was not good for a lot of people either, including many republican voters.

But nearly EVERY Republican Senator and House member, ran on REPEAL or on REPEAL & REPLACE.

All Trump is now expecting, is that they perform. And do not forget, passing Obamacare took until the following March 23 for signature by Obama.

So getting all "hair on fire" every single day seems to be what #nevertrump, the dems and the opposition media  thrive in doing.

[Oceander]

But nearly EVERY Republican Senator and House member, ran on REPEAL or on REPEAL & REPLACE.

All Trump is now expecting, is that they perform. And do not forget, passing Obamacare took until the following March 23 for signature by Obama.

So getting all "hair on fire" every single day seems to be what #nevertrump, the dems and the opposition media  thrive in doing.

And Trump is doing nothing to herd the cats together and get them all going in the same direction.  In fact, he seems bent on splitting them up. 

Trump isn't being even a moderately competent president on this subject. 

[XenaLee]

First, I agree in general that the GOP dropped the ball by not using the last eight years to develop a full replacement for Obamacare, however, even on that issue it is not so simple as that; it was never about simply repealing and going back to status quo ante because the status quo ante was not good for a lot of people either, including many republican voters.

Well.... if it was never about simply repealing ObamaCare.... then why did they lie to voters and promise to do just that?  Just sayin.....

[Restored]

Repealing Obamacare would dump tons of people out of Medicaid. I think that is what scares politicians. People drunk on vats of free government money are liable to rebel.

[Oceander]

Well.... if it was never about simply repealing ObamaCare.... then why did they lie to voters and promise to do just that?  Just sayin.....

You tell me.  Whatever they got elected for, it certainly wasn't to slavishly follow Trumps agenda without any persuasion from Trump himself. 

[txradioguy]

Repealing Obamacare would dump tons of people out of Medicaid.

Hate to break it to you...but the states that have the exchanges by and large are dumping people into Medicaid from the start and calling them "insured".

That's the reason the states that bought in got huge increases in "free" money for Medicaid expenditures.

Right now for example in California....IIRC...they are taking people who are 340% above the poverty line and putting them on Medicaid.

So there is now "will be dumped" into the program if Obamacare is repealed...Obamacare is dumping them there already.

[Hoodat]

Repealing Obamacare would dump tons of people out of Medicaid. I think that is what scares politicians. People drunk on vats of free government money are liable to rebel.

I would thank the government if they got me out of Medicaid.

[XenaLee]

You tell me.  Whatever they got elected for, it certainly wasn't to slavishly follow Trumps agenda without any persuasion from Trump himself.

I never said it was.   They got elected on the promise to repeal ObamaCare.  They lied.  I think quite deliberately so.  Their feelings for Trump aside, they should fulfill the promise they ran on.
 

[Hoodat]

We Weren’t Elected To Spend ‘All Of Our Time On This,’ Ryan Says

But you were elected to repeal Obamacare.  Any idea when you will find time to do that?

[Oceander]

I never said it was.   They got elected on the promise to repeal ObamaCare.  They lied.  I think quite deliberately so.  Their feelings for Trump aside, they should fulfill the promise they ran on.
 

They got elected for a lot of reasons.  They also got elected to replace Obamacare, not just repeal it, and the devil is certainly in the details there.  However, the fact that they dropped the ball there is utterly irrelevant to whether they owe Trump any fealty.  They don't. 

[driftdiver]

They got elected for a lot of reasons.  They also got elected to replace Obamacare, not just repeal it, and the devil is certainly in the details there.  However, the fact that they dropped the ball there is utterly irrelevant to whether they owe Trump any fealty.  They don't.

Well whether you like it or not the President is the leader of the Republican party.  He's also the President.    They should be working on how to fix things Obama screwed up and not just on ways to marginalize Trump.

But of course they always gave Obama what he wanted.  Sure they argued and made lots of noise but at the end of the day there is very little Obama didn't get.

Ryan was more cooperative with Obama then he is with the Republican President.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Let's be honest. Ryan hasn't done shit since he was elected. He spends his days working out in the gym and then running for reelection.....just like 98% of all those losers.

Well, Speaker Ryan did pass a Healthcare Bill that the President called "mean."  But I agree.  Get rid of Ryan, McConnell, and all the RINO GOP.  The good news the party in power usually loses seats in midterms, we may not have to suffer a Speaker Ryan much longer.

[Oceander]

Well whether you like it or not the President is the leader of the Republican party.  He's also the President.    They should be working on how to fix things Obama screwed up and not just on ways to marginalize Trump.

But of course they always gave Obama what he wanted.  Sure they argued and made lots of noise but at the end of the day there is very little Obama didn't get.

Ryan was more cooperative with Obama then he is with the Republican President.

Then Trump should not have burned so many bridges.  And they, as members of congress, act first and foremost as such, and not as members of a particular political party.  You have the US confused with a parliamentary system if you think that's the way it's supposed to work. 

[Oceander]

Well, Speaker Ryan did pass a Healthcare Bill that the President called "mean."  But I agree.  Get rid of Ryan, McConnell, and all the RINO GOP.  The good news the party in power usually loses seats in midterms, we may not have to suffer a Speaker Ryan much longer.

You'd prefer Speaker Pelosi?