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Why We Published the Name of a Covert C.I.A. Official
« on: July 24, 2017, 09:44:59 am »
Why We Published the Name of a Covert C.I.A. Official
NY Times, Jul 22, 2017

At a security conference this week, the director of the C.I.A., Mike Pompeo, criticized The New York Times for a recent article about an officer who was tapped to run the agency’s Iran operations, a newsworthy promotion because it was an indication of the hard line against Iran that President Trump promised during his campaign.

Mr. Pompeo said that the publication of the official’s name, Michael D’Andrea, was “unconscionable” and put his covert status in jeopardy.

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In this case, editors decided to publish the name because Mr. D’Andrea is a senior official who runs operations from the agency’s headquarters outside Washington, not in the field. He is also the architect of the C.I.A.’s program to use drones to kill high-ranking militants, one of the government’s most significant paramilitary programs. We believe that the American public has a right to know who is making life-or-death decisions in its name.


More:  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/reader-center/why-we-published-the-name-of-a-covert-cia-official.html


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Re: Why We Published the Name of a Covert C.I.A. Official
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2017, 09:50:09 am »
I wonder what part of "covert" the NYT didn't understand.   

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Re: Why We Published the Name of a Covert C.I.A. Official
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2017, 11:18:57 am »
Considering the howling about Valerie Plame, this is inexcusable.
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Re: Why We Published the Name of a Covert C.I.A. Official
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2017, 12:19:19 pm »
Prosecute for Jail time, Mr. Sessions.
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Re: Why We Published the Name of a Covert C.I.A. Official
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2017, 12:48:49 pm »
Considering the howling about Valerie Plame, this is inexcusable.

Just the usual (ssdd) double standards of behavior, morals, ethics, etc. by leftists in America.  Nothing new.  If we do it, it's heinous.  If they do it, it's courageous and patriotic.  You know the drill.  And accusing us (non-leftists) of doing what they do on a regular basis is also SOP for them.

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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2017, 12:51:29 pm »
No excuse for this...it's just another in a long line of "outing's" since 9/11 that have come courtesy of the Times...some of them even after the WH went directly to the editors and asked them in the name of national security to not publish the story or at least delay running with it.

Each time the Times refused to comply.

I don't think they should be permanently banned from the WH press pool over this...but a 30 day suspension of credentials might...might...get their attention.
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2017, 12:56:33 pm »
No excuse for this...it's just another in a long line of "outing's" since 9/11 that have come courtesy of the Times...some of them even after the WH went directly to the editors and asked them in the name of national security to not publish the story or at least delay running with it.

Each time the Times refused to comply.

I don't think they should be permanently banned from the WH press pool over this...but a 30 day suspension of credentials might...might...get their attention.
If 30 won't get them, give 'em 90--and watch for all the little leakers running around DC.
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Re: Why We Published the Name of a Covert C.I.A. Official
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2017, 12:59:35 pm »
No excuse for this...it's just another in a long line of "outing's" since 9/11 that have come courtesy of the Times...some of them even after the WH went directly to the editors and asked them in the name of national security to not publish the story or at least delay running with it.

Each time the Times refused to comply.

I don't think they should be permanently banned from the WH press pool over this...but a 30 day suspension of credentials might...might...get their attention.

I wouldn't let them back until they can undo the damage they did.  When they unleak the names we can discuss their return.
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2017, 01:00:05 pm »
If 30 won't get them, give 'em 90--and watch for all the little leakers running around DC.

Yup.  And now that I think about it...I'd make that 30 day suspension of credentials a blanket one for any Times reporter covering Americans anywhere...that hurts them especially in places like Baghdad and Kabul.


And I'd have the call informing the Times publisher of the credentials suspension come straight from Trump himself.
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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2017, 01:10:36 pm »
Its long past time to realize the Left is not playing for our team.

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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2017, 01:11:39 pm »
Its long past time to realize the Left is not playing for our team.

If you study history...the Times hasn't been playing for our team for close to 90 years.
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Re: Why We Published the Name of a Covert C.I.A. Official
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2017, 03:44:17 am »
Considering the howling about Valerie Plame, this is inexcusable.

In case there are any readers not familiar with Valerie Plame:
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On July 14, 2003, Robert Novak, journalist for The Washington Post, using information obtained from Richard Armitage at the United States Department of State, effectively ended Valerie Plame's career with the CIA (from which she later resigned in December 2005) by revealing in his column her identity as a CIA operative. Legal documents published in the course of the CIA leak grand jury investigation, United States v. Libby, and Congressional investigations, established her classified employment as a covert officer for the CIA at the time when Novak's column was published in July 2003. 
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The five-count indictment of (Scooter) Libby included perjury (two counts), obstruction of justice (one count), and making false statements to federal investigators (two counts). There was, however, no count for disclosing classified information, i.e., Plame's status as a CIA operative. Indeed, it was already widely known (even by prosecutor Fitzgerald) that the actual "leaker" was Richard Armitage, via columnist Robert Novak. No evidence has ever come to light that Mr. Libby disclosed Plame's CIA status to Mr. Novak.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Plame

Valerie Plame is married to Clinton era Ambassador Joe Wilson.
Bush 43 era State Department official Richard Armitage
leaked the classified fact that Plame was a CIA operative.

Scooter Libby was investigated for the leak,
and was prosecuted for "obstruction of justice" (lying to investigators)
when he incorrectly remembered some details.

Allegedly, the Bush 43 administration
outed Plame out of dislike for her husband, Joe Wilson,
and tried to blame Scooter Libby for the leak.

Of course, both the Washington Post and its columnist Robert Novak
were grossly irresponsible in publishing the leaked info,
knowing that it cannot possibly do any good,
and can only do harm.
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Re: Why We Published the Name of a Covert C.I.A. Official
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2017, 06:44:57 am »
If you study history...the Times hasn't been playing for our team for close to 90 years.

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Re: Why We Published the Name of a Covert C.I.A. Official
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2017, 07:20:11 am »
Publishing classified information is almost always a felony.  I say almost because the term "classified information" is not always a cut and dried definition.

When president Obama released the names of undercover agents who were infiltrating terrorist organizations in the Middle East he committed a crime.  The agent's names were supposed to be kept secret and the only way outsiders could obtain that information is if someone broke their legal obligation to secrecy.

Which is different than information that is hard to get.  It was no secret that Valerie Plame was married to Joe Wilson.  Any 8 year old could look up that information.  It would, however, take a little digging to discover she also worked for the CIA since they don't exactly put out a list of their employees on a regular basis.  Still, any investigative journalist worth their salt could piece that information together without a great deal of effort.  The information was not secret, just hard to get.

The press deemed Valerie Plame's employment information to be "classified information", not the U.S. government.

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Scooter Libby went to prison because he couldn't remember if he bumped into Tim Russert in the hallway between meetings two years after the fact.  Known for his meticulous diary of daily meetings, Libby did not find it noteworthy to record the "hi, how ya doing" exchange with Russert.  Because Russert did remember bumping into Libby in the hallway the grand jury had their scapegoat.

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Re: Why We Published the Name of a Covert C.I.A. Official
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2017, 08:42:17 am »
Publishing classified information is almost always a felony.  I say almost because the term "classified information" is not always a cut and dried definition.

When president Obama released the names of undercover agents who were infiltrating terrorist organizations in the Middle East he committed a crime.  The agent's names were supposed to be kept secret and the only way outsiders could obtain that information is if someone broke their legal obligation to secrecy.

Which is different than information that is hard to get.  It was no secret that Valerie Plame was married to Joe Wilson.  Any 8 year old could look up that information.  It would, however, take a little digging to discover she also worked for the CIA since they don't exactly put out a list of their employees on a regular basis.  Still, any investigative journalist worth their salt could piece that information together without a great deal of effort.  The information was not secret, just hard to get.

The press deemed Valerie Plame's employment information to be "classified information", not the U.S. government.

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Scooter Libby went to prison because he couldn't remember if he bumped into Tim Russert in the hallway between meetings two years after the fact.  Known for his meticulous diary of daily meetings, Libby did not find it noteworthy to record the "hi, how ya doing" exchange with Russert.  Because Russert did remember bumping into Libby in the hallway the grand jury had their scapegoat.
Yabbut the Obamites just didn't have the savoir faire the Clintoons did.

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Maddy Albright lost her unencrypted, unprotected laptop with all those HUMINT contacts on it, then advertised it worldwide via news feeds...
Someone found the 'golden ticket', maybe even got to cash in and live, and contacts started going dark, and 9/11 followed. 'Little lights' went out all over Europe and the Middle East thanks to her.

We won't even go into the alleged 100+ compartmented code word files on Hellary's server that never should have been out of their home computers, much less on one connected to the internet.
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C S Lewis