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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #50 on: July 21, 2017, 12:12:24 am »
Not so much "comfort level" as the realistic acknowledgment that the election is over, Trump won and there's nothing we or anyone else can do to change that result.  I thought it only was Democrats who refused to say Trump wasn't their president. Like it or not, he is the president of this nation.

Not the one most of us preferred, I suspect, but here we are. We aren't anywhere else. Let's stop whining about it and do what we can to get conservatives elected to the Congress in 2018.

I've never denied he's our president and I granted him a clean slate when he took office.  I have given him credit where credit is due. The fact that people are still on 'edge' about the election is very troubling. It shows how disturbed our society is.  Scalise was shot by an anti-Trumper and now Cruz has received threats from a pro-Trumper.  These aren't the only incidents by the way. So ... would you really have us believe that Trump has brought out the best in everyone?  Seriously.  Again...Trump is not responsible for the actions of others but he is responsible for his own actions and as a presidential candidate and our President he has a sense of responsibility to conduct him self in a civilized manner as he is our current leader and a role model to those in this country and is being assessed around the globe.
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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #51 on: July 21, 2017, 12:14:04 am »
Not the one most of us preferred, I suspect, but here we are. We aren't anywhere else. Let's stop whining about it and do what we can to get conservatives elected to the Congress in 2018.

Great.  Then he can veto an Obamacare repeal bill the majority wants, because it's too 'mean.'  Dream on if you think we'll get a 2/3 override majority.
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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2017, 12:45:54 am »
True we all should have voted for Hillary /s

No, they should have used their brains back in the primaries and not forced the grifter on us.  They may have been people of good faith, but they made terrible decisions and they get evaluated based on the results of their actions, not the purity of their motivations.

They effed up, badly.  Trump has done only one really worthwhile thing: Justice Gorsuch (but he could not have done that without Congress) and in the meantime has done incalculable damage in other areas, including to the president's executive power over immigration and border control. 
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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2017, 12:46:18 am »
I thought it only was Democrats who refused to say Trump wasn't their president.

Who here on this board has said that Trump is not the president? 

Like it or not, he is the president of this nation.

Sadly that is the case, but that does not require us to jump on the bandwagon of salutes and excuses for his boorish and juvenile behavior.

Let's stop whining about it and do what we can to get conservatives elected to the Congress in 2018.

Well that is the real problem now isn't it?  We cannot define what Conservatism even means anymore.    Cruz was bashed as a worse evil than Obama.  Paul was declared a nut job like his old man and Rubio was hated for his stunt with the Gang of 8.  The GOP told Social Conservatives to shut up or get out.  The Primaries were an abject lesson in how liberal the party has become and ever since then Conservatism has been redefined and remolded into excusing and pushing Trump's NYC Liberal behaviors as more Conservative than that of Ronald Reagan.

We have people here who self-identify as Conservatives telling us all how we must save Obamacare as a moral imperative and that our hard earned wealth is just 'luck'.

The 'whining' and arguing is over what constitutes Conservatism.  Is it adherence to fundamental principles or the need to discard them and surrender in order to "win" at any cost?  Does Conservative mean we must agree to 20% Conservative promises at a later date for 80% Liberal Socialism now?  Does character no longer matter for Conservatives or is winning all that matters?   How do we define 'winning'?  One step right and twelve Left?   Do we jettison Biblical morality and faith in order to focus on economic doctrines as the only measure we musty look at to choose a candidate?

If you thought 2016 was a miasma of bad insanity in the GOP - 2018 and 2020 will prove that to be an orderly cakewalk.

One fact is certain; it is absolutely wrong to assume that Conservatives are a majority in this country.  We are in fact a rapidly shrinking minority, which engenders the strategy of compromising with the Left in order to 'save' ourselves.

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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2017, 02:26:33 am »
Who here on this board has said that Trump is not the president? 

Sadly that is the case, but that does not require us to jump on the bandwagon of salutes and excuses for his boorish and juvenile behavior.

Well that is the real problem now isn't it?  We cannot define what Conservatism even means anymore.    Cruz was bashed as a worse evil than Obama.  Paul was declared a nut job like his old man and Rubio was hated for his stunt with the Gang of 8.  The GOP told Social Conservatives to shut up or get out.  The Primaries were an abject lesson in how liberal the party has become and ever since then Conservatism has been redefined and remolded into excusing and pushing Trump's NYC Liberal behaviors as more Conservative than that of Ronald Reagan.

We have people here who self-identify as Conservatives telling us all how we must save Obamacare as a moral imperative and that our hard earned wealth is just 'luck'.

The 'whining' and arguing is over what constitutes Conservatism.  Is it adherence to fundamental principles or the need to discard them and surrender in order to "win" at any cost?  Does Conservative mean we must agree to 20% Conservative promises at a later date for 80% Liberal Socialism now?  Does character no longer matter for Conservatives or is winning all that matters?   How do we define 'winning'?  One step right and twelve Left?   Do we jettison Biblical morality and faith in order to focus on economic doctrines as the only measure we musty look at to choose a candidate?

If you thought 2016 was a miasma of bad insanity in the GOP - 2018 and 2020 will prove that to be an orderly cakewalk.

One fact is certain; it is absolutely wrong to assume that Conservatives are a majority in this country.  We are in fact a rapidly shrinking minority, which engenders the strategy of compromising with the Left in order to 'save' ourselves.

I read the last few paragraphs of your post before I saw who wrote it..  I was not surprised.  I think people are getting more conservative now but a lot of conservatives are not as informed as they should be about who they are voting in for House and Senate.

I believe that social media is helping in this regard and I think we will gradually begin to see real conservatives take over.  At least I hope so.
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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #55 on: July 21, 2017, 02:37:00 am »
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/.....One fact is certain; it is absolutely wrong to assume that Conservatives are a majority in this country.  We are in fact a rapidly shrinking minority, which engenders the strategy of compromising with the Left in order to 'save' ourselves.


   Now that there is the most depressing thing you've said in weeks @INVAR and that's saying a lot.
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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #56 on: July 21, 2017, 02:44:31 am »

   Now that there is the most depressing thing you've said in weeks @INVAR and that's saying a lot.

All one has to ask themselves, is why exactly is it that the GOP had deliberately decided to flush Constitutional Conservatives from their party, embrace Obama's agenda and pander to Liberal Democrats, Illegal Mexicans and South Americans?

Why won't the GOP repeal ObamaCare?  Why were they hellbent on 'fixing' it and keeping that overt Socialism as the the government's operating mechanism?

The math is not hard.

Oh, and then there is the Popular Vote to consider.
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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #57 on: July 21, 2017, 03:50:42 am »
All one has to ask themselves, is why exactly is it that the GOP had deliberately decided to flush Constitutional Conservatives from their party, embrace Obama's agenda and pander to Liberal Democrats, Illegal Mexicans and South Americans?

Why won't the GOP repeal ObamaCare?  Why were they hellbent on 'fixing' it and keeping that overt Socialism as the the government's operating mechanism?

The math is not hard.

Oh, and then there is the Popular Vote to consider.

Why do you think we (the constituents) aren't insisting on true conservatism anymore? I understand the motives of those in office, but why are we tolerating progressivism in our candidates? By "we," I mean those of us who have been keyboard warriors for the past couple of decades and conservative activists before the internet. I don't remember when we lost our way, although surely we have.


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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #58 on: July 21, 2017, 04:06:32 am »
Why do you think we (the constituents) aren't insisting on true conservatism anymore? I understand the motives of those in office, but why are we tolerating progressivism in our candidates? By "we," I mean those of us who have been keyboard warriors for the past couple of decades and conservative activists before the internet. I don't remember when we lost our way, although surely we have.

Conservatives are politically lazy.

As my congressman pointed out to me a few years ago. Conservatives show up to vote and then disappear till the next election. Meanwhile he gets hundreds of calls every day from liberals. Liberal congressmen aren't being ignored by their constituents and conservatives don't bother to call them.

I see the same in education races in every election. Conservatives can't be bothered to vote University regents or state board of education positions. Even in local races for school board the pattern repeats.

Its not that there aren't enough conservatives, its that there aren't enough conservatives bothering to vote.

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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #59 on: July 21, 2017, 04:26:32 am »
Why do you think we (the constituents) aren't insisting on true conservatism anymore? I understand the motives of those in office, but why are we tolerating progressivism in our candidates? By "we," I mean those of us who have been keyboard warriors for the past couple of decades and conservative activists before the internet. I don't remember when we lost our way, although surely we have.

I do not think being told to shut up and get out of the party by the Leadership helped much, and neither did having Republican Party hacks declare you a traitor, a Hillary supporter and enemy of the country for voting for someone besides whatever Liberal with an R after their name they decided was going to be their standard-bearer.

Ultimately it rests in the fact that for more than five decades of unimaginable prosperity and advances in tech, this people have been indoctrinated into the belief we are a democracy,  Capitalism is evil, Socialism is good and government exists to provide people stuff from those who have more than they do.

In short, we are imbeciles and threw out our foundations and became ignorant, waiting for government to do everything for us.  The avarice of envy and greed being primary aspects of human nature was easily exploited by those wanting power and control and once this people discovered they could vote themselves largesse from the public treasury - our goose was cooked.
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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #60 on: July 21, 2017, 04:43:20 am »
Conservatives are politically lazy.

As my congressman pointed out to me a few years ago. Conservatives show up to vote and then disappear till the next election. Meanwhile he gets hundreds of calls every day from liberals. Liberal congressmen aren't being ignored by their constituents and conservatives don't bother to call them.

I see the same in education races in every election. Conservatives can't be bothered to vote University regents or state board of education positions. Even in local races for school board the pattern repeats.

Its not that there aren't enough conservatives, its that there aren't enough conservatives bothering to vote.

I wish I had more thumbs to thumb this up.

I served on a state board as a professional scientist from the private sector. Our recommendations were brought before public comment.

Liberals took the time to learn about issues and write intelligent substantive comments.  These could gum up things and delay or block things they didn't want.

Meanwhile, conservatives rarely submitted anything, and when they did, it was often just "This is bad", with no substance.

Similarly, liberals will go around getting out the vite.  Conservatives might sit and make a few calls, but that's about it.

Oh, but conservatives are good at complaining about regulations they never lifted a finger to fight when the opportunity was provided!
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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #61 on: July 21, 2017, 04:53:42 am »
Conservatives are politically lazy.

No, I think Conservatives aren't being served. Like any constituency that is ignored, there is no percentage in voting... And folks aren't going to step out of their busy day to vote for something they don't care about.

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Its not that there aren't enough conservatives, its that there aren't enough conservatives bothering to vote.

Well when you're selling something like Trump, and the lesser Romney, and the lesser McAin't, it isn't much of a surprise the last election was won on a piddling 20% of the vote... and Dems didn't like Hillary any better.

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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #62 on: July 21, 2017, 05:32:01 am »
No, I think Conservatives aren't being served. Like any constituency that is ignored, there is no percentage in voting... And folks aren't going to step out of their busy day to vote for something they don't care about.

Well when you're selling something like Trump, and the lesser Romney, and the lesser McAin't, it isn't much of a surprise the last election was won on a piddling 20% of the vote... and Dems didn't like Hillary any better.

That Hillary "won" the popular vote by almost 3 million and that the election was as close as it was says to me that the Rubicon was crossed and the days of us remaining even a Republic In Name Only are numbered.  Given the comments by a horde of Republicans and people we thought were Conservatives who have proven they are just liberals or populists who vote R, I surmise that Conservatives are a minority constituency and shrinking in number.

Principles and character do not matter anymore to most people who see them as offensive or a liability. Politics is just another team sporting event for most of Joe and Jane Sixpack to rah rah and feel good about their team "winning" even if nothing actually changes in terms of governance.

Giving us liberals as candidates via crooked rules and political machinery while threatening us to vote for their shit sandwich so they can 'win' and stop the worser evil, is tired and boring.  I'm done being the battered wife and done practicing insanity.   Some of us have dumped the GOP for third parties where at least we can vote FOR someone who lives by the standards we expect and shares the philosophies and principles we are governed by.  That is declared to be an automatic loser by the majority - and all that tells me is that any hope for any semblance of Conservatism or respect and adherence to the Constitution is as void as outer space.
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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #63 on: July 21, 2017, 06:53:34 am »
That Hillary "won" the popular vote by almost 3 million and that the election was as close as it was says to me that the Rubicon was crossed and the days of us remaining even a Republic In Name Only are numbered.  Given the comments by a horde of Republicans and people we thought were Conservatives who have proven they are just liberals or populists who vote R, I surmise that Conservatives are a minority constituency and shrinking in number.

Principles and character do not matter anymore to most people who see them as offensive or a liability. Politics is just another team sporting event for most of Joe and Jane Sixpack to rah rah and feel good about their team "winning" even if nothing actually changes in terms of governance.
Being Conservative is seen as a liability. If you are a decadent individual (and a leftist) you can send images of your self all over and it is considered 'normal', but if you once stand on the concept of morality, having lunch with a co worker will be distorted into a sordid affair.
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Unfortunately, along with this, fiscal responsibility, adherence to old fashioned ideas like the sanctity of 'life, liberty and property' and moral decency have all been summarily abandoned in a rush to decadence, partly because it is easier to not learn and conform to the rules, but because it is more lucrative to control what is and isn't considered permissible, something which is only malleable in the absence of fixed standards.
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That was the top of the slippery slope, and we have been accelerating downwards since.

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Giving us liberals as candidates via crooked rules and political machinery while threatening us to vote for their shit sandwich so they can 'win' and stop the worser evil, is tired and boring.  I'm done being the battered wife and done practicing insanity.   Some of us have dumped the GOP for third parties where at least we can vote FOR someone who lives by the standards we expect and shares the philosophies and principles we are governed by.

Already there. I would not engage the services of a contractor I knew would screw me in hopes that maybe this once they might do the work and not rip me off (again). I'm not doing that politically, either.  I'm sick of the lies, sick of getting the middle finger even before the hand goes up to swear the oath of office, through the recantation of and reneging on every campaign promise, without so much as a theatrical attempt to make good on it.

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That is declared to be an automatic loser by the majority - and all that tells me is that any hope for any semblance of Conservatism or respect and adherence to the Constitution is as void as outer space.
As long as people run around and rant that they want the guy who will bend them over for his own pleasure (and perhaps theirs) as soon as the votes are in, that's what they will get. Out of cowardice they will refuse to stand for the perfect, proclaiming loudly that it stands in the way of the good.
No, all that stands in the way of the perfect is the mindset that it cannot be had, and the capitulation to the lesser evil, an evil that is pervasive and degenerative, and cumulative, but just another incremental step to the greater evil.
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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #64 on: July 21, 2017, 11:18:52 am »
Conservatives are politically lazy.

As my congressman pointed out to me a few years ago. Conservatives show up to vote and then disappear till the next election. ... 

Its not that there aren't enough conservatives, its that there aren't enough conservatives bothering to vote.
I've been a Republican party official in my county for nearly 20 years, currently treasurer. It is impossible to get people involved. There are very many truly conservative people in my little county. They'll vote, for the most part, and they even contributed to my campaign when I ran for office, but our meetings consist of the four officers - all over 60 - and no one else. No one wants to run for office, no one wants to give up one evening every few months (it used to be monthly, but what was the point?) to plan how we might advance conservative ideals, how we might improve our county, how we might try to influence what's going on in D.C. and in our state capital.

This is how we end up with mediocre candidates - at every level - who neither believe in nor fight for conservative principles.  It's our own laziness and apathy.
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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #65 on: July 21, 2017, 01:20:08 pm »
That Hillary "won" the popular vote by almost 3 million and that the election was as close as it was says to me that the Rubicon was crossed and the days of us remaining even a Republic In Name Only are numbered.

I read somewhere on here he won with something like 26.3% of the population . Hillery won the popular vote, but not by much (26.5%)... It was a really low turnout, c.55%, apparently. The motives of the rest who, like most of us, didn't vote for either one, is not clear, or united. But it also claims neither one. I know a TON of folks that voted for neither or didn't vote at all. More so than those voting for either candidate... So you just might be painting with too broad a brush.

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Some of us have dumped the GOP for third parties where at least we can vote FOR someone who lives by the standards we expect and shares the philosophies and principles we are governed by.  That is declared to be an automatic loser by the majority - and all that tells me is that any hope for any semblance of Conservatism or respect and adherence to the Constitution is as void as outer space.

My point, while I largely agree, is that the 'loud and proud' Trumpers are not a majority of anything. Those who voted for him are not a majority either. Neither are those who voted for Hillary. The largest group (by far) didn't vote at all.

It could well be that militant Trumpers are much ado about nothing.

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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #66 on: July 21, 2017, 01:30:39 pm »

This is how we end up with mediocre candidates - at every level - who neither believe in nor fight for conservative principles.  It's our own laziness and apathy.

I would submit it is the result of mediocre candidates (present company excepted, of course), not the end. I'm 55 and folded up my political tent with this last election. that's somewhere between 800k and 1.2m dollars that won't get gathered for the next election, and you know what? You are right... I don't care. But not in the way you would portray it. I am done putting in the effort when there is not only no win, but no real value in winning. I am far better to expend my time and efforts else-wise, and will achieve more in doing so. It's a chump-game, and I'll play something else.
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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #67 on: July 21, 2017, 05:02:05 pm »
Nice turn of phrase! I may borrow it some time. (I'll put it back when I'm done, honest!)

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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #68 on: July 21, 2017, 05:03:29 pm »
True we all should have voted for Hillary /s

LOL. Hillary lost, President Trump and Co. need to get over that.

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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #69 on: July 21, 2017, 05:13:48 pm »
Half the country voted for Trump, millions. So, possibly you have a few demented individuals.

19.5% of the country voted for Trump.
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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #70 on: July 21, 2017, 05:31:37 pm »
19.5% of the country voted for Trump.

And in 1980 Reagan won with 19.4% by the same metric

(43,902k votes/226,546k population)=0.194



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« Reply #71 on: July 21, 2017, 05:32:19 pm »
And in 1980 Reagan won with 19.4% by the same metric

(43,902k votes/226,546k population)=0.194





So?

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« Reply #72 on: July 21, 2017, 06:01:19 pm »
So?

So .... just to broaden the knowledge of you and Hoodat. Fill in gaps. Give perspective and facts.

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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #73 on: July 21, 2017, 07:49:21 pm »
So .... just to broaden the knowledge of you and Hoodat. Fill in gaps. Give perspective and facts.

I never made the claim that half the country voted for Reagan.  But thanks for playing.   We have some wonderful consolation prizes for you.
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Re: Trump supporter threatened Cruz
« Reply #74 on: July 21, 2017, 07:52:09 pm »
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.