About Those Trump Supporters

[RoosGirl]

   No, @RoosGirl never been sent to the corner, but I have been dragged across the carpet a few times by the mods, hence the rug burns comment, it was not a joke about our President's ridiculous hair.

   I hear this characterization of the mods being NT'ers and I cringe, knowing, I'm doing 'something' else wrong, makes me ask myself to many personal questions for which I have no answers.

Oh,  pfft, the ones you get dragged across the carpet for are the good ones. ;)  Keeps the mods from getting bored.

[corbe]

Oh,  pfft, the ones you get dragged across the carpet for are the good ones. ;)  Keeps the mods from getting bored.

   Absolutely nothing worse for your day than a bored mod @RoosGirl , sets the tone for the whole afternoon.
   I usually go to Trumpbart to atone for my sins of regression here, it never works.

[INVAR]

I would like to go back to the picture you posted of the guy that would not solute his fuhrer.  The guy who wouldn't follow the mob and took the cowardly way out.  I understand that coward was hunted down and shot by the people supporting his fuhrer.  Oh I wish I were half as cowardly as he.

Of course he was a coward.  The fate of Germany was at stake and he refused to vote the way everyone else in that picture was voting and you can tell that because he was refusing to salute the Fuhrer that everyone else was saluting.  Speaking of which, that man showed no respect for the office of Fuherer or the people that supported the Fuhrer.   

Not only was that man a coward, he was flaunting his moral superiority over everyone else that was there in that photo.  Just look at him!  It is clear he is is hiding behind his principles among the crowd and he was rightfully seen as an enemy of the people.   The fact he was killed is his own damn fault for being an unpatriotic self-righteous coward.

There's rarely a comment here that really gets me mad.  But railing against this picture, being offended by this picture, asking that it be censored out, does the great man in that picture a severe injustice.  That is what gets me mad.

Well, we cannot post pictures of Nazi events, because that means we are calling Trump supporters Nazis according to them.

It's too bad there is not a picture of a single person refusing to drink the Kool-aid at the Peoples Temple In Guyana.  Maybe the Trump folks wouldn't have gotten so upset about that allegory, because you know - Nazis.  I mean, Jim Jones' followers didn't kill anyone.  Just themselves.

Maybe a pic like that would be be more tolerable and less offensive to make the point about mass movements and men declared to be 'Deliverers'.

[truth_seeker]

Any thoughts on where to install the "principles pedestal" I suggest placing it near the "toot your own horn" exhibit.

Leave enough room around it, for the occupant to pat himself/herself on the back, continually?

[Smokin Joe]

@INVAR

Sure it works.  No question.  We don't have it, havent had it for 30 years and we aren't gonna have it anytime soon.  The approach you take just pisses people off.  The leftists have controlled the education system for decades while principled conservatives argued about who was more perfect.  Socialism is an easier sell to the masses then the hard work and personal responsibility of conservatism.  That's why socialism wins every fricken time it's tried.  Until you accept that you will continue to be talking to yourself.

No, that isn't why. Who do principled conservatives end up arguing with? Not the liberals, we have a hell of a time getting to the mike. Why is that? Because the people who have been SCREAMING for COMPROMISE! won't let us near the podium. They want to compromise the very principles we seek to uphold and are willing to fight us instead of the liberals. So the liberals win.

The enemy is over there, the liberals, communist, the socialists you want to compromise with, on the left. If you want to fight us, you are doing their work for them. If that means I am talking to myself, well, at least I'm dealing with someone who can see what the problem is. So be pissed off. let it eat you from the inside out until your skin bubbles and sloughs off. I don't give a damn what you think, what is right is right and what isn't, isn't. If you want to compromise with what isn't, well that's exactly how we got so far away from those principles in the first place.

Have at, go for it.

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!
Samuel Adams

[RoosGirl]

Well, we cannot post pictures of Nazi events, because that means we are calling Trump supporters Nazis according to them.

It's like the liberal Seattle (?) councilman who says they can't wash poo off the City Hall sidewalks because it's racist.

[RoosGirl]

Any thoughts on where to install the "principles pedestal" I suggest placing it near the "toot your own horn" exhibit.

Leave enough room around it, for the occupant to pat himself/herself on the back, continually?

@INVAR had some really nice discussion points. Maybe you should give the pedestal a try and answer some of those questions.

[INVAR]

Any thoughts on where to install the "principles pedestal" I suggest placing it near the "toot your own horn" exhibit.

Actually I would prefer we put the Principles Pedestal at the "Vote Your Conscience" booth located on the Virtuous Character wing of the Governed-By Foyer which is on the ground floor at the narrow entrance where the Pillars of Morality go down to the bedrock.  You possibly missed those if you chose to come in from the Wide Is The Gate entrance on the other side of the building.

Thanks.

Leave enough room around it, for the occupant to pat himself/herself on the back, continually?

Not necessary.  The pain and anguish many today tend to feel by being reminded of the existence of Principles, virtually ensures that we shan't have too big of a crowd around it needing elbow room.  It's only the few of that will appreciate it anyway.

The Debauchery and Pragmatism Ballrooms are the usually full and overflowing and not too many are willing to venture down to the ground floor.

So we're good.  But thanks for the suggestion of where to put it.  We few will indeed cherish being reminded what is actually really important when it comes to having liberty.

[roamer_1]

A better example to explain how a cult of personality works in the minds of True Believers, one can never find.

Once you begin to declare a lifelong NYC Liberal Democrat running as a Republican as a Deliverer from Captivity - I'm opposing such imbecility as vehemently as possible.

IOW, 'Messiah'.
And they are all looking in the wrong place.
Trump hasn't and won't free anyone.
Liberalism doesn't beat liberalism, you dolts. It IS liberalism.

Just like those here keening for a 'replacement' health care. It is sheer idiocy to leave one single stitch of federal welfare in place. But they cannot accept that, as liberalism has already effected their thinking. Big Republican government leads to exactly the same place as big Democrat government. It always will, because it must.

[roamer_1]

Yeah, that's it.

I mean, it couldn't be because we're governed by principles we refuse to surrender or compromise on.

And those principles are TRUE and right, and proven by long history as such - Hence the 'new way' is obviously wrongheaded. This new thing will absolutely fail, and is not Conservatism whatsoever.

[EC]

Did someone lower the oxy pressure around here or something? Stupidest thread of the year so far.

[roamer_1]

That's why socialism wins every fricken time it's tried.  Until you accept that you will continue to be talking to yourself.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Socialism is winning ONLY because it has no opposition.
Republicans are elected on Conservative promises. None of which they fulfill.
For DECADES the Conservative states have risen up, defying liberal government, only to be defeated by the courts. Liberalism has by and large been writ by fiat in the courts, not in the will of the people. For DECADES, feckless Republicans have voted against their own platform and against their own voters.

Don't tell me that crap.

[roamer_1]

G*d forbid we might thy to help Trump roll back the Marxist crap Clinton, Bush, Obama has imposed on the country.

With more Marxist crap of his own? Not even in the same zip code.

[Smokin Joe]

Matt 12:26-28

25And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? 27And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Character counts.

[jpsb]

I would like to go back to the picture you posted of the guy that would not solute his fuhrer.  The guy who wouldn't follow the mob and took the cowardly way out.  I understand that coward was hunted down and shot by the people supporting his fuhrer.  Oh I wish I were half as cowardly as he.

There's rarely a comment here that really gets me mad.  But railing against this picture, being offended by this picture, asking that it be censored out, does the great man in that picture a severe injustice.  That is what gets me mad.

Words fail me here. So you think joining the DC, NYC, LA and San Fran media, all of the progressive left and most of the GOPe in bashing Trump and finding fault in all things Trump does is the equivalent of hiding Ann Frank in your attic? You and those like you are beyond reason. The ones fighting the evil majority (MSM media, progressive left, corrupt GOPe) are Trump and his supporters. You've got it exactly backwards. You've worst then Don Quixote dueling windmills. At least Quixote was crazy, what is your excuse? Oh that's right your too "principled" to get off your high perch and fight to save the country.

[jpsb]

With more Marxist crap of his own? Not even in the same zip code.

What Marxist crap? More BS from sore losers.

[txradioguy]

What Marxist crap? More BS from sore losers.

No one here "lost". Many of us didn't get the person in office who should be there.

The only ones acting like losers and constantly whinging are the ones that are upset over the fact everyone doesn't bow and scrape at the mere sight of Trump like they do.

[txradioguy]

Words fail me here. So you think joining the DC, NYC, LA and San Fran media, all of the progressive left and most of the GOPe in bashing Trump and finding fault in all things Trump does is the equivalent of hiding Ann Frank in your attic? You and those like you are beyond reason. The ones fighting the evil majority (MSM media, progressive left, corrupt GOPe) are Trump and his supporters. You've got it exactly backwards. You've worst then Don Quixote dueling windmills. At least Quixote was crazy, what is your excuse? Oh that's right your too "principled" to get off your high perch and fight to save the country.

Your one note "you're no better than Libs if you didn't vote for Trump" crap was old back in January...its absolutely mummified at this point.

You need new material.

[jpsb]

Name the people here who wanted Hillary for president.

By name, and quote where they said they wanted Hillary for president. Use links.

You made the assertion, now back it up.

From Wiki
Deductive reasoning, also deductive logic, logical deduction is the process of reasoning from one or more statements (premises) to reach a logically certain conclusion. It differs from inductive reasoning and abductive reasoning. Deductive reasoning links premises with conclusions.

Premise: Either Hillary or Trump will be elected President of the United States. (the premise is 100% true, there is zero chance of any other out come.)

Reasoning: Cons not voting Trump is effectively voted Hillary. Progs not voting Hillary is effective voted Trump.

Conclusion: Any conservative that voted for POTUS and did not vote Trump wanted Hillary to be president, remember binary choice Hill or Don, no other outcome possible.

See how easy that was?

Now there are cases where the outcome is pretty clear before the election.  For instance in McCain vrs Obama I just could not bring myself to vote for "Amnesty" McCain. But I knew Texas would vote McCain and that my POTUS vote would not mean squat so I just did not vote for POTUS, left it blank. Much harder decision if you are in a battle ground state where every vote counts.

[txradioguy]

From Wiki
Deductive reasoning, also deductive logic, logical deduction is the process of reasoning from one or more statements (premises) to reach a logically certain conclusion. It differs from inductive reasoning and abductive reasoning. Deductive reasoning links premises with conclusions.

Premise: Either Hillary or Trump will be elected President of the United States. (the premise is 100% true, there is zero chance of any other out come.)

Reasoning: Cons not voting Trump is effectively voted Hillary. Progs not voting Hillary is effective voted Trump.

Conclusion: Any conservative that voted for POTUS and did not vote Trump wanted Hillary to be president, remember binary choice Hill or Don, no other outcome possible.

See how easy that was?

Now there are cases where the outcome is pretty clear before the election.  For instance in McCain vrs Obama I just could not bring myself to vote for "Amnesty" McCain. But I knew Texas would vote McCain and that my POTUS vote would not mean squat so I just did not vote for POTUS, left it blank. Much harder decision if you are in a battle ground state where every vote counts.

Got it. You can't name anyone here who wanted Hillary to win so you're going to deflect and flood a response with crap.

Typical.

[jpsb]

Your one note "you're no better than Libs if you didn't vote for Trump" crap was old back in January...its absolutely mummified at this point.

You need new material.

I just have a problem with people that would rather see the nation crash and burn then support Trump in trying to roll back Marxist crap from Clinton, Bush and Obama. Instead of being America First, with them it's NeverTrump first.

[jpsb]

Got it. You can't name anyone here who wanted Hillary to win so you're going to deflect and flood a response with crap.

Typical.

So Deductive Reasoning is crap huh? No wonder it is impossible to communicate with a hard core NeverTrumper.

[txradioguy]

I just have a problem with people that would rather see the nation crash and burn then support Trump in trying to roll back Marxist crap from Clinton, Bush and Obama. Instead of being America First, with them it's NeverTrump first.

You're in the wrong place if you think there are people here who want the country to crash and burn.

But I notice that in typical Lib fashion...the ones here that have never found anything wrong with Donny have their message coordinated.

Accusing people of wanting the country to "crash and burn" is your new go to talking point for you and a couple others here.

Did you guys coordinate that in a Rahm Emmanuel style conference call or just get together via PM and come up with that bit of ignorance?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Trump's supporters on TBR engage in a bizarre personality cult, the likes of which I haven't seen from the conservative side. If you insult Trump they feel insulted themselves. Very strange and bizarre.

And they never utter a single critical word of their anointed godlike leader. Nothing. Not a word. They're seemingly afraid to criticize him or genuinely cannot find a single fault with him.

On the other hand, most NeverTrump's or just regular conservatives can offer a more nuanced view of Trump.

[txradioguy]

Trump's supporters on TBR engage in a bizarre personality cult, the likes of which I haven't seen from the conservative side. If you insult Trump they feel insulted themselves. Very strange and bizarre.

And they never utter a single critical word of their anointed godlike leader. Nothing. Not a word. They're seemingly afraid to criticize him or genuinely cannot find a single fault with him.

On the other hand, most NeverTrump's or just regular conservatives can offer a more nuanced view of Trump.

It's a very odd form of hero worship to be sure.

And it's disturbing in a way that they either can't or won't separate themselves from Trump in their own personal identity

I mean I could understand their reaction if we were going after a family member.

But this is a public figure with no personal ties to them other than a vote they cast for him.