Death Of Senate GOP Health Care Bill Is Giving Conservatives A Good Reason To Never Vote Republican Again

[INVAR]

Do you realize how many votes people get simply because of name recognition?

[RoosGirl]

That was my first walk down the medical garden path. I smelled it, I swear I did... But a wife worried for her baby is hard to overrule. That's the beauty of it for them. it's a magnificent scam. And stupid crazy profits to be had.

But my ex wised up after the first one and really not much of it was me. The experience left her feeling violated and less of a woman for not being able to bear a child as she should. She wanted what they took from her back.

Then came the rope em in scare: "Oh, you've had a c-section... bearing naturally is not a good idea for you - At least be in the hospital, so if something were to happen, care is close by"

It was all bullcrap, and she delivered naturally, without incident, and got her mojo back.

Yep, I went through the same thing, and a good friend of mine at completely separate ob/gyn had the same thing.

[Hoodat]

Well, Teds amendment offered an off-ramp.

I do not believe that Ted's amendment was to be included with McConnell's bill.

[HonestJohn]

I do not believe that Ted's amendment was to be included with McConnell's bill.

It was.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Do you realize how many votes people get simply because of name recognition?

I'm talking about the primaries in which Trump had a huge head start because people knew who he was, or at least knew who he claimed to be.

Calling other people's posts total BS is not particularly a good way to make friends unless you don't want any.

I don't really know a polite way to indicate a wrong-headed opinion.  You really do not know about Obama do you and his lack of name recognition outside the state of Illinois at one time?

[libertybele]

Do you realize how many votes people get simply because of name recognition?

I'm talking about the primaries in which Trump had a huge head start because people knew who he was, or at least knew who he claimed to be.

Calling other people's posts total BS is not particularly a good way to make friends unless you don't want any.

Name recognition certainly helps, but that scenario doesn't necessarily ring true.  Take a look at Bammy. He was a lawyer and a community organizer that was elected to the Illinois senate in 1996; he then became a U.S. Senator in 2005, and in 2008 was sworn in as president.  He had a tremendous ground game that out maneuvered the Clinton machine, in addition, he was young, black, articulate and a DEM.  Other than those in IL and his infamous bill S.2433, Global Poverty Act; which most did not pay attention to or even knew about, he was virtually unknown to the low information voters and ran on the promise of "change" and all that ailed America.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

And on top of that, it's highly doubtful he would win states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.  He could win barely anywhere in the Deep South, but the True Conservatives still know better.

Cruz won the WI primary.

[libertybele]

What has Cruz done in the 5 years he's been in the Senate, he has done nothing, the true "conservatives" helped give us Obama because Romney wasn't good enough.  The True Conservatives are as useful as horns on a bull or something like that.

Yeah, first Cruz was going to design the ideal healthcare bill, then his amendment was suppose to fix things, in the end he did little.

And on top of that, it's highly doubtful he would win states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.  He could win barely anywhere in the Deep South, but the True Conservatives still know better.

This Senate is the least effective one they say in 65 years or something. Oh, yeah, they would have fixed it.

Yawn ... to say that Ted hasn't accomplished anything while he's been in the Senate ... well... it makes you delusional.  I should know better than to take you off ignore.

[rodamala]

#NeverRepublican

Early adopter, here.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

That is just all spin.

Change what you said and insert the words 'liberal' for 'conservative', 'Illinois' for 'Texas' and 'Obama' for 'Cruz'.

If you think Cruz is just as personally charismatic as Obama, then you're just revealing your own bias.  Conservatives don't like Obama, liberals don't like Cruz.  But in terms of charisma, Obama spanks Cruz among everyone else.

Most of America is conservative bent....

That is the Great Self-Delusion.  I think what you really mean is "Most of the American I know personally and talk with on the internet are conservative."  But if most Americans as a whole were actually conservative, the Freedom Caucus would have more than 200 seats rather than just a few dozen, Cruz would have won the primary in a walk, and we'd have a heck of a lot more conservatives in the Senate.

Election after election after election in this country says you are wrong -- that a majority of Americans are not conservative.

[Silver Pines]

What has Cruz done in the 5 years he's been in the Senate, he has done nothing, the true "conservatives" helped give us Obama because Romney wasn't good enough.  The True Conservatives are as useful as horns on a bull or something like that.

Yeah, first Cruz was going to design the ideal healthcare bill, then his amendment was suppose to fix things, in the end he did little.

And on top of that, it's highly doubtful he would win states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.  He could win barely anywhere in the Deep South, but the True Conservatives still know better.

This Senate is the least effective one they say in 65 years or something. Oh, yeah, they would have fixed it.

It shocks me, @TomSea, that you supported such a man.  How do you explain it?

[TomSea]

@DCPatriot

See, it's basically a "safe space" for NTs.

I'm not down on Kasich like some are either, governing a state is difficult though he totally lost me with his liberal immigration stance. It doesn't mean I now despised him though.  All of them practically had redeeming qualities, Carson, Rubio, Carly and so on.

[Oceander]

The only ones demanding safe spaces are the ETs.

[Suppressed]

If you think Cruz is just as personally charismatic as Obama, then you're just revealing your own bias.  Conservatives don't like Obama, liberals don't like Cruz.  But in terms of charisma, Obama spanks Cruz among everyone else.

Yes, in an objective view, that's true.  But I think it is unfair to disregard the specific charisma Sen. Cruz has, when speaking in small groups of having the opportunity for more in-depth discussions.  It's not the sickening idol type of charisma of Obama, but it's there.

That is the Great Self-Delusion.  I think what you really mean is "Most of the American I know personally and talk with on the internet are conservative."  But if most Americans as a whole were actually conservative, the Freedom Caucus would have more than 200 seats rather than just a few dozen, Cruz would have won the primary in a walk, and we'd have a heck of a lot more conservatives in the Senate.

Election after election after election in this country says you are wrong -- that a majority of Americans are not conservative.

Definitely right.  And battles don't go your way if you don't accurately assess the conditions.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Yes, in an objective view, that's true.  But I think it is unfair to disregard the specific charisma Sen. Cruz has, when speaking in small groups of having the opportunity for more in-depth discussions.  It's not the sickening idol type of charisma of Obama, but it's there.

I love Ted.  But that kind of small group charisma is what Bob Dole had (Cruz is actually more charismatic than Dole), but it doesn't really help nationally.  Cruz gets elected in Tesxas because Texans lean conservative, not because he's great at convincing non-conservatives to support a conservative.  And unless conservatives really are a true majority (and we know we're not), then to elect a true conservative, you need one who has the ability to win the votes of non-conservatives.  That's where I question Ted's ability to win on a national level.

Definitely right.  And battles don't go your way if you don't accurately assess the conditions.

I don't want MacArthur leading the charge up to the Yalu in 1950.  That didn't turn out so well.