Trump blindsided by implosion of GOP health care bill

[corbe]

@corbe
You say that all the time.  Its like you live in fear of those evil people possibly saving this country.

   Actually, I'm usually OK with it, @driftdiver It's when my Xanax script runs out early that I become agitated.

[driftdiver]

   Actually, I'm usually OK with it, @driftdiver It's when my Xanax script runs out early that I become agitated.

@corbe

Well there ya go.  Better living through pharmaceuticals.   

Personally I think scotch is the answer.

[corbe]

   Aforementioned Cruz Koolaid:

 

[driftdiver]

   Aforementioned Cruz Koolaid:

 

Funny story about that.   I used to be part of a business coaching group.   We took a bus trip and had a load of booze and snacks in the back of the bus.  One of the ladies asked me to hand her the Titos.    I thought she said Cheetos.   Boy she looked at me funny when I handed her the bag.

Riding in a swaying and bouncing bus for 8 hours while drinking is not nearly as much fun as it sounds.

[XenaLee]

I'm betting that after the experiment of being POTUS is over, Trump starts drinking.  If nothing else could drive him to it, this would do it.

[Free Vulcan]

Since this is Politico I take it with a grain of salt. If Trump was blindsided, well, Stevie Wonder could have seen this coming.

[bolobaby]

Well, when you aren't actually providing any leadership on the topic, I guess it is easy to get blindsided when people fail to come together...

[Jazzhead]

The only broken record around here is a Liberal one that you have on repeat trying to convince us that the Conservative position is acceptance of the Government taking over 1/6 of our economy and bankrupting people and businesses in the process.

There is nothing good about the ACA for the people or the economy.  It's the cold hard truth that you are either incapable or unwilling to accept.

Like most laws, the ACA has some good points and some bad points.   However, the reality is that the consequences of repeal, at this point, are worse than the consequences of fixing it. 

Rich Lowry said something this morning that made me chuckle.   There's just one way the GOP will vote for a full repeal with no replacement -  if Trump will promise to veto it.   

[bolobaby]

Like most laws, the ACA has some good points and some bad points.   However, the reality is that the consequences of repeal, at this point, are worse than the consequences of fixing it. 

Rich Lowry said something this morning that made me chuckle.   There's just one way the GOP will vote for a full repeal with no replacement -  if Trump will promise to veto it.   

@Jazzhead  - why don't you enumerate all the parts of the ACA you love and want to keep? You know, just for fun...

[Hoodat]

There is nothing good about the ACA for the people or the economy.  It's the cold hard truth that you are either incapable or unwilling to accept.

Ditto.

[edpc]

He wasn't blindsided.  In fact, I won't be the least bit surprised if he eventually proposes single payer. 

[txradioguy]

He wasn't blindsided.  In fact, I won't be the least bit surprised if he eventually proposes single payer.

Well that what he stated he wanted during the election.

[driftdiver]

Well that what he stated he wanted during the election.

Many folks in Congress have said thats where this is going.   We've been on the path for years.

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead  - why don't you enumerate all the parts of the ACA you love and want to keep? You know, just for fun...

I don't "love" the ACA, but you can't deny that millions have been helped by it.  Millennials just out in the workforce able to stay on their parent's policy.   Middle-aged white guys with health issues laid off in the last recession.   Folks who, for the first time, were able to establish a primary care relationship with a physician and to schedule vaccinations or health screenings.  The working poor for whom Medicaid is better than nothing.

Plenty of folks were hurt by the ACA, of course, but it's the millions who were helped by it that form the constituency that makes simple repeal impossible politically.   

[Hoodat]

I don't "love" the ACA, but you can't deny that millions have been helped by it.

You also cannot deny that several times that number have been hurt by it.

Millennials just out in the workforce able to stay on their parent's policy.

Millenials don't need to stay on their parent's policy.  They need to get their own policies.  It's part of being an adult.  And before the ACA, they were able to get very good policies for around $120 per month.   Today, those same policies are no longer available.  Their ACA compliant replacements cost three times that.

Middle-aged white guys with health issues laid off in the last recession.   Folks who, for the first time, were able to establish a primary care relationship with a physician and to schedule vaccinations or health screenings.   

Not sure what the pigmentation of one's skin has to do with this, but this middle-aged guy no longer has a physician because of the ACA.  If I want a health screening, I have to go to an urgent care clinic and take whatever physician happens to be on duty that day.

Plenty of folks were hurt by the ACA, of course, but it's the millions who were helped by it that form the constituency that makes simple repeal impossible politically.   

Your justification for tyranny.

[bolobaby]

I don't "love" the ACA, but you can't deny that millions have been helped by it.  Millennials just out in the workforce able to stay on their parent's policy.   Middle-aged white guys with health issues laid off in the last recession.   Folks who, for the first time, were able to establish a primary care relationship with a physician and to schedule vaccinations or health screenings.  The working poor for whom Medicaid is better than nothing.

Plenty of folks were hurt by the ACA, of course, but it's the millions who were helped by it that form the constituency that makes simple repeal impossible politically.   

Oh, I get your philosophy - if it "helps" MORE people than it HURTS, it's good. And, most importantly, "FREE" STUFF = GOOD.

Next up, seize the wealth of the 1% and redistribute it.

Don't you have an Occupy rally you are supposed to be attending?

[Hoodat]

Oh, I get your philosophy - if it "helps" MORE people than it HURTS, it's good.

But that's just it.  It doesn't help more people than it hurts.  Instead, it hurts far more people than it helps.

[bolobaby]

But that's just it.  It doesn't help more people than it hurts.  Instead, it hurts far more people than it helps.

No, no - don't burst his bubble. Let him believe what he wants to believe.

You know, all that truth that Rachel Maddow feeds him on a nightly basis.

[txradioguy]

Next up, seize the wealth of the 1% and redistribute it.

He's as much said that already...referring to people who are successful or have a little wealth as being "lucky".

[Jazzhead]

Oh, I get your philosophy - if it "helps" MORE people than it HURTS, it's good. And, most importantly, "FREE" STUFF = GOOD.

Next up, seize the wealth of the 1% and redistribute it.

Don't you have an Occupy rally you are supposed to be attending?

You don't need to shout your ignorance from the rooftop, you know.   I was trying to point out that millions have been helped by the ACA, and that those are the folks who form a constituency for its preservation.   Those who were hurt by it, of course, form the opposite constituency.  But outright repeal is a pipe dream at this point.  Entitlement programs have a way of embedding themselves.   Pointing out that reality doesn't cause one to want to "seize the wealth of the 1%".   Although I do have to wonder, since we're on the subject of constituencies - why do so many dirt-poor conservatives defend the obscene wealth of the 1 percent?   

[Jazzhead]

He's as much said that already...referring to people who are successful or have a little wealth as being "lucky".

Liar.  I called "lucky" those fortunate to work for big corporations that offer health benefits.  Plenty of us work like dogs for smaller companies that cannot afford such benefits.  Yeah, I'd call that luck - since the difference is attributable to neither hard work nor virtue.   

[bolobaby]

You don't need to shout your ignorance from the rooftop, you know.   I was trying to point out that millions have been helped by the ACA, and that those are the folks who form a constituency for its preservation.   Those who were hurt by it, of course, form the opposite constituency.  But outright repeal is a pipe dream at this point.  Entitlement programs have a way of embedding themselves.   Pointing out that reality doesn't cause one to want to "seize the wealth of the 1%".   Although I do have to wonder, since we're on the subject of constituencies - why do so many dirt-poor conservatives defend the obscene wealth of the 1 percent?   

Gee - maybe it has something to do with this:

"You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

...or...

"Woe to those who scheme iniquity, Who work out evil on their beds! When morning comes, they do it, For it is in the power of their hands. They covet fields and then seize them, And houses, and take them away They rob a man and his house, A man and his inheritance."
...or...

"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. "But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."

But, I hear you do not understand such wisdom. You think it is a fairy tale.

You just go on coveting and being miserable about those 'filthy rich' people, then.

[Hoodat]

You don't need to shout your ignorance from the rooftop, you know.   I was trying to point out that millions have been helped by the ACA, and that those are the folks who form a constituency for its preservation.

And I pointed out that far more people are hurt from the ACA than are helped by it - a fact that you continue to ignore.

Entitlement programs have a way of embedding themselves.

They embed themselves because of the cowardice of those elected to end them.

Although I do have to wonder, since we're on the subject of constituencies - why do so many dirt-poor conservatives defend the obscene wealth of the 1 percent?   

Lack of envy, and a love of truth.

[edpc]

Although I do have to wonder, since we're on the subject of constituencies - why do so many dirt-poor conservatives defend the obscene wealth of the 1 percent?

I wouldn't consider myself dirt poor now, since my annual income is higher than the national average and I live in an area with a reasonable cost of living.  However, I have been poor and I never begrudged a person's wealth, so long as it was obtained legally.  What, in your opinion, is the cut off point where it becomes obscene?

[Emjay]

I'm betting that after the experiment of being POTUS is over, Trump starts drinking.  If nothing else could drive him to it, this would do it.

Interesting thought but Trump would never pollute his beloved body.

I don't think Trump is suffering as much as you might think.  He's bellicose, he actually likes a fight whereas more normal people would get worn out.

I also think he's one of those 'hear what you want to hear' people.  He feeds on the worship that he still gets from his supporters.

I think we are more worn out than he is.