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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2017, 08:47:32 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on July 15, 2017, 07:52:38 pm
Ohs Noes. A Republican actually tried to win the lection. We can't have that, said Dole-McCain-Romney.

I guess winning the 'lection by any means necessary is perfectly acceptable.



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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2017, 08:53:02 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on July 15, 2017, 08:47:32 pm
I guess winning the 'lection by any means necessary is perfectly acceptable.



Still wrong @INVAR ... and still unfunny.  Two birds, one stone.  Good for you!
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2017, 08:55:09 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on July 15, 2017, 08:47:32 pm
I guess winning the 'lection by any means necessary is perfectly acceptable.





Spot on.
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2017, 09:11:34 pm »
   If there is just a kernel of truth in this Russian Collusion shit, and I think there is, with everyone now lawyering up for the inevitable, Mueller salivating, I find myself asking how much of this is self-inflicted by this new, bumbling Administration and how much is rooted in The First Family and their history of wheeling/dealing with the highest bidder, damn morals and principles, full speed ahead.

   
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2017, 09:24:58 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on July 15, 2017, 08:53:02 pm
Still wrong @INVAR ... and still unfunny.  Two birds, one stone.  Good for you!

No.  Not wrong.

Either your political messiah's people were stupid enough to fall into the trap set for them (which is why they kept screaming about this - because they KNEW he fell into their trap) or they initiated and engaged in the collusion themselves.

Which, given that the Russkies were long-time allies of the Left is not that much of a surprise.

I think the only defense team Trump now has is "Hey - they did it too".

Certainly acolytes for Trump are already fist-bumping that meme.

And it IS funny as hell to me to watch all this.
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2017, 09:37:38 pm »
    Maybe Putin thought the inept DNC was actually capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time and would get all the Russian shit out there before the election, sinking Trump.
    Surely Putin would have wanted the whore Hillary (price no longer even the question) in the white house than the bumbling, unpredictable, narcistic Trump.  Best laid plans of Mouse and Men.............................
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2017, 10:34:59 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 15, 2017, 08:39:16 pm
You never heard of "Obstruction of Justice?" That's what you get charged with if you lie to an LEO, oath or no oath.
Why "As far as I know" "As best I recall", "I believe", "I think", "I'm not sure", and "I can't say for certain" are good things to sprinkle through your speech if you aren't absolutely sure, and sometimes, even if you are.
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2017, 10:37:51 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 15, 2017, 10:34:59 pm
Why "As far as I know" "As best I recall", "I believe", "I think", "I'm not sure", and "I can't say for certain" are good things to sprinkle through your speech if you aren't absolutely sure, and sometimes, even if you are.

True enough.  I'm talking about out-and-out lying:  No, I've never been there.  No, I never met so-and-so.  Lie about that stuff and you can be proven a liar.
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2017, 10:43:23 pm »
Quote from: corbe on July 15, 2017, 09:37:38 pm
    Maybe Putin thought the inept DNC was actually capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time and would get all the Russian shit out there before the election, sinking Trump.
    Surely Putin would have wanted the whore Hillary (price no longer even the question) in the white house than the bumbling, unpredictable, narcistic Trump.  Best laid plans of Mouse and Men.............................
I think they thought Bernie voters were going to be 'practical', 'pragmatic', and not stick to their principles (albeit Socialist) and vote for Cankles. It appears they didn't, and the decision at the Electoral College went to Trump. That wasn't a mandate, despite how the electoral vote looked, it was a squeaker based on relatively narrow margins that got him those electoral votes.

His support would grow if he would follow up on his signature campaign promises and push the Congress to get it done, but that isn't happening either, with the exception of bills increasing funding for border patrol, detention and three percent of the wall (60 miles of new wall on 1954 miles of border). While I laud his expediting the CRAs that reversed some Obama edicts and regulations, that pales in comparison to the job ahead that seems to be making little to no progress.
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2017, 10:45:45 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 15, 2017, 10:37:51 pm
True enough.  I'm talking about out-and-out lying:  No, I've never been there.  No, I never met so-and-so.  Lie about that stuff and you can be proven a liar.
I dindu nuffin'.

I know what you are saying, and that's a real screw up. I'm just saying those phrases can save you from being nailed inadvertently.
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2017, 10:48:03 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 15, 2017, 10:45:45 pm
I dindu nuffin'.

I know what you are saying, and that's a real screw up. I'm just saying those phrases can save you from being nailed inadvertently.

And I'm agreeing.  Just don't tell lies that can be disproved, even if you are sure they can't be.  "I can't recall" may be frustrating to hear, but it's safe.
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2017, 10:48:35 pm »
   Didn't Trump say, probably in a tweet, there has been no meetings between the Russians and his campaign?
   Don Jr. laid that LIE bare, also seems Don Jr's brother in law is the one that threw him under the bus, that's awkward.
   I wouldn't want to attend the grandkids birthday parties for awhile. 
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2017, 10:50:16 pm »
Quote from: corbe on July 15, 2017, 10:48:35 pm
   Didn't Trump say, probably in a tweet, there has been no meetings between the Russians and his campaign?
   Don Jr. laid that LIE bare, also seems Don Jr's brother in law is the one that threw him under the bus, that's awkward.
   I wouldn't want to attend the grandkids birthday parties for awhile. 
   Barron~Better Call Saul.
I wouldn't be in a big hurry for Thanksgiving dinner over there, either. (And not just because I wouldn't be able to tell
who was the turkey . . .)
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2017, 10:56:00 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 15, 2017, 10:48:03 pm
And I'm agreeing.  Just don't tell lies that can be disproved, even if you are sure they can't be.  "I can't recall" may be frustrating to hear, but it's safe.
LOL! We watch "Cops" and a few other similar format shows in this house.

Aside from primary offenses and existing warrants, the most common are "evading", "resisting", and "interfering with an investigation". Amazing how many people can't produce ID but are driving down the road, too.
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2017, 11:11:56 pm »
    Apparently there's a new law in Texas where you have to show ID to wire money (Abbott Wall Fund?).
    Yesterday at my local HEB, this woman hands the clerk her interpretation of the rules, it was a Texas Voter Registration card, she claims to have no other ID, even a Mexico Drivers License when questioned further, she was denied making the transfer.   She drove away in a big new suburban.
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2017, 02:10:06 am »
Quote from: corbe on July 15, 2017, 10:48:35 pm
   Didn't Trump say, probably in a tweet, there has been no meetings between the Russians and his campaign?
   Don Jr. laid that LIE bare, also seems Don Jr's brother in law is the one that threw him under the bus, that's awkward.
   I wouldn't want to attend the grandkids birthday parties for awhile. 
   Barron~Better Call Saul.


Who are "the Russians"? Any Russians? People representing the Russian government?
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2017, 02:13:54 am »
Quote from: endicom on July 16, 2017, 02:10:06 am

Who are "the Russians"? Any Russians? People representing the Russian government?

Good question...probably the next thing to leak out.
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2017, 02:32:38 am »
Quote from: mystery-ak on July 16, 2017, 02:13:54 am
Good question...probably the next thing to leak out.


I think it a critical question. If no Russians can be spoken to then what of Chinese, Cubans or Iranians? And how can it be known if any are connected to their governments.


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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2017, 02:36:52 am »
Quote from: endicom on July 16, 2017, 02:10:06 am

Who are "the Russians"? Any Russians? People representing the Russian government?
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« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2017, 02:41:22 am »
Quote from: endicom on July 16, 2017, 02:32:38 am

I think it a critical question. If no Russians can be spoken to then what of Chinese, Cubans or Iranians? And how can it be known if any are connected to their governments.


   Are you honestly asking me 'what Russians' @endicom ? 
   I'm sure all the other cohorts you mentioned were involved in US Election, even Mexico, why not, we screw around in their elections every damn time, the difference is it is costing this Administration precious Capital defending, and half of it is Self-Inflicted....*SAD!    * learning twitter speak
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2017, 03:31:30 am »
Quote from: corbe on July 16, 2017, 02:41:22 am
   Are you honestly asking me 'what Russians' @endicom ? 
 


Yes, and you didn't answer. Which are the da Russians and which the nyet?
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« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2017, 03:57:43 am »
   Maybe I'm not understanding the question @endicom There was at least 3 Russians, 2 with past connections to KGB/FSB that we know of, tonight, in that meeting with Don Jr., Kushner and Manafort, by Wednesday next week we'll probably be up to 5 or 6, it keeps growing.  I haven't used this since the primary about the time the bobby bush, grab them tape, came out, but it seems appropriate again.

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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2017, 04:02:32 am »
Quote from: corbe on July 16, 2017, 03:57:43 am
   Maybe I'm not understanding the question @endicom There was at least 3 Russians, 2 with past connections to KGB/FSB that we know of, tonight, in that meeting with Don Jr., Kushner and Manafort, by Wednesday next week we'll probably be up to 5 or 6, it keeps growing.  I haven't used this since the primary about the time the bobby bush, grab them tape, came out, but it seems appropriate again.


Gee whiz, Wally! They were thicker than NARCs at a pot party!
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Re: The Benefit of the Doubt Is Gone
« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2017, 04:09:25 am »
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Gee whiz, Wally! They were thicker than NARCs at a pot party!

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