The Foolishness of Never Trumpers

[DCPatriot]

So a gov't agency hositng a gay pride month is what is necessary to uphold discrimination laws?

More like being 'extremely flexible', aka politically correctness.

Nobody wants anyone screaming discrimination, in a courtroom, or to the NYT.

[Emjay]

It's only nasty when people try to falsely claim discrimination and bigotry that doesn't exist.

You'll have to be a little clearer ...I just got up.

[txradioguy]

More like being 'extremely flexible', aka politically correctness.

PC has been one of the Liberal minefields that has led to the downfall of this country.  It's a form of speech control.

Nobody wants anyone screaming discrimination, in a courtroom, or to the NYT.

And yet they'll do it anyway.

[txradioguy]

You'll have to be a little clearer ...I just got up.

Certain people here are under the false notion that gays are discriminated against and somehow denied their Constitutional rights that you and I enjoy.  Said person ascribes that to the "bigotry and discrimination" of Christians.

This person has a very hard time comprehending that there is not one Constitutional right that a gay person is being denied.

His responses to this fact are what bring on the ugliness.

[Suppressed]

This thread calls for one of these:

@Smokin Joe

It warms my graybeard heart to see someone who realizes the etymology of the term "troll".  A "troll" is someone who "trolls for reactions" by dragging bait through the forum.

[DCPatriot]

Trump is an idiot and an embarrassment to this nation as are his followers...

I ignored politics for the most part for the last eight years with Obama so its not difficult to do the same with Trump.

I must say I can't help looking in on the threads his acolytes post to get my morning chuckle...keep it up guys and girls your efforts are not in vain

I guess they must have missed this.

Yet, being grouped as "haters" brings out the MODs or the Boss herself.   

I can be called an idiot?   I can be called an embarrassment to the nation? 

...BFD!   Suck it up, DC.

But call members whose posting history contains 98% negativity and criticism of everything Trump...or God forbid, his family..."Haters"?

[txradioguy]

I guess they must have missed this.

Yet, being grouped as "haters" brings out the MODs or the Boss herself.   

I can be called an idiot?   I can be called an embarrassment to the nation? 

...BFD!   Suck it up, DC.

But call members whose posting history contains 98% negativity and criticism of everything Trump...or God forbid, his family..."Haters"?

[Emjay]

Certain people here are under the false notion that gays are discriminated against and somehow denied their Constitutional rights that you and I enjoy.  Said person ascribes that to the "bigotry and discrimination" of Christians.

This person has a very hard time comprehending that there is not one Constitutional right that a gay person is being denied.

His responses to this fact are what bring on the ugliness.

Look out.  When you refer to other people like that, someone here is likely to call you Passive-Aggressive.

I believe that some people are born gay and I don't hate them for it.  I think gay marriage may be a step in the right direction .... eventually ... to promote a healthy lifestyle for gays.

It's not what they can't help that annoys people.  It's what they can help, but don't. 

As a matter of fact, it has not been THAT long since they were discriminated against.  That famous mathematician who broke the German code in WW2 was legally discriminated against in England.

There's always a period ... way too long in some case ... after people who were discriminated against get rights ... that those people become the haters themselves.  Look how long it's lasted with Black people.

I have way too many dear friends and relatives who are gay to hate them.  And I'm not going around feeling virtuous because I 'treat them well.'

Posh!  You can break your arm if you keep patting yourself on the back too long and hard.

[txradioguy]

Look out.  When you refer to other people like that, someone here is likely to call you Passive-Aggressive.

I believe that some people are born gay and I don't hate them for it.  I think gay marriage may be a step in the right direction .... eventually ... to promote a healthy lifestyle for gays.

It's not what they can't help that annoys people.  It's what they can help, but don't. 

As a matter of fact, it has not been THAT long since they were discriminated against.  That famous mathematician who broke the German code in WW2 was legally discriminated against in England.

There's always a period ... way too long in some case ... after people who were discriminated against get rights ... that those people become the haters themselves.  Look how long it's lasted with Black people.

I have way too many dear friends and relatives who are gay to hate them.  And I'm not going around feeling virtuous because I 'treat them well.'

Posh!  You can break your arm if you keep patting yourself on the back too long and hard.

You nor Jazz can point to one right in the Constitution that gays are prevented from enjoying that you and I do.

This whole myth that they are somehow being denied rights is stupid.

Trying to compare the struggle of an ethnic race to someone who chooses a sexual lifestyle is a disgrace to all those that struggled for Civil Rights for that ethnic group.

There is nothing normal about the gay lifestyle and gay "marriage" certainly doesn't promote normality...it simply puts a spotlight on something that is certainly an abomination to what marriage is supposed to be all about. 

[NavyCanDo]

The job of the public/voter is to question their leaders and not follow lock-step behind everything they say.

#NeverTrump is used too broadly and is wrongfully used to describe both the far-left democrats , socialist and paid protestors,  - and those on the right who consider themselves conservatives but just couldn’t vote for Trump among all the other candidates right up to the election.     The vast majority of the later (including myself) do not consider themselves NeverTrumps – and will compliment his achievements when it’s deserved and in all honesty hope he proves us wrong about him in his 4 years. But we will also hold his feet to the fire and be highly critical of him when it warrants, as we do with the members of congress. There are very few “conservatives” that are truly truly #NeverTumps.          There are a couple here on TBR that tend to be very vocal, and if we want to hang the Fool sign on them, so be it, but outside of that I don’t run into any. 

[Emjay]

You nor Jazz can point to one right in the Constitution that gays are prevented from enjoying that you and I do.

This whole myth that they are somehow being denied rights is stupid.

Trying to compare the struggle of an ethnic race to someone who chooses a sexual lifestyle is a disgrace to all those that struggled for Civil Rights for that ethnic group.

There is nothing normal about the gay lifestyle and gay "marriage" certainly doesn't promote normality...it simply puts a spotlight on something that is certainly an abomination to what marriage is supposed to be all about.

Laws about marriage have changed over the years.  You know that.  Interracial marriage was once illegal.  Multiple wives in the Mormon community was legal.

The saddest thing about marriage now is the lack of commitment.  Too many divorces ... too many selfish people unwilling to compromise and make it work.

So, yeah, you may think in this particular time and place that you know without a doubt what 'marriage is supposed to be all about' but you don't.

And to say that gays 'chose a different lifestyle' is wrong.  Most people know that.  There has always been a small percentage of the population that is gay.  Why would anyone 'choose' a lifestyle that has so many problems and generates so much hate?

Hey, I respect your opinions but I must strongly disagree with you on this issue.

[Jazzhead]

You refer to Christianity as a myth and then claim not to discriminate 

I do not consider Christianity to be a "myth".   I urge any Christian who believes homosexuality to be a sin not to practice it.  What I objected to was myth-based discrimination against homosexuals.   The Bible does not counsel one to discriminate against homosexuals.  To the contrary, it counsels one to love one's brother as one would oneself.   

 

[INVAR]

There is nothing like having one's own child or someone you care deeply for get into behavior you previously despised.  It certainly makes you think and get perspective.

You can either lose the person or broaden your own horizons.

When my own kids got into behavior that I despised, I never 'broadened my horizons' to condone and embrace those behaviors which will harm them and cause them misery and pain.  Every parent I know who was stupid enough to 'broaden their horizons' and accept destructive and perverted behavior ended up losing their kid to the miseries and consequences of those behaviors that they never bothered to steer them away from, because they were 'open minded' enough to accept bad behavior.

There are consequences to bad and perverted behavior.  My kids were warned of the consequences and they were warned we would not be there to bail them out of the consequences they earned for bad behavior.

They know we love them, and they also know we love them enough not to nod our heads and accept those things that we find unacceptable.

If I had a kid doing drugs the idea of 'broadening my horizons' is beyond ludicrous.  If I "lose" them because they want to have their good time, and don't like the fact I think their choices and lifestyle are wrong, I'm at least not going to have to look myself in the mirror at their funeral and regret I condoned their behavior rather than point them to the direction of life and happiness as God defines it.

[Emjay]

#NeverTrump is used too broadly and is wrongfully used to describe both the far-left democrats , socialist and paid protestors,  - and those on the right who consider themselves conservatives but just couldn’t vote for Trump among all the other candidates right up to the election.     The vast majority of the later (including myself) do not consider themselves NeverTrumps – and will compliment his achievements when it’s deserved and in all honesty hope he proves us wrong about him in his 4 years. But we will also hold his feet to the fire and be highly critical of him when it warrants, as we do with the members of congress. There are very few “conservatives” that are truly truly #NeverTumps.          There are a couple here on TBR that tend to be very vocal, and if we want to hang the Fool sign on them, so be it, but outside of that I don’t run into any.

I see a slight change for the better in the NeverTrump mentality here.  Trump, himself, has helped by being better than people expected and doing so many things that conservatives are for.

But there are still a lot of people who view everything through a prism ... maybe not a hate prism, but a doubt prism.  They still think Trump is bad and anything he does we like may be grudgingly approved while reserving the right to criticize him if he puts a foot wrong.

The annoying thing about those people is their constant congratulating themselves on their virtue in not being a Trump lover.

[Jazzhead]

Laws about marriage have changed over the years.  You know that.  Interracial marriage was once illegal.  Multiple wives in the Mormon community was legal.

The saddest thing about marriage now is the lack of commitment.  Too many divorces ... too many selfish people unwilling to compromise and make it work.

So, yeah, you may think in this particular time and place that you know without a doubt what 'marriage is supposed to be all about' but you don't.

And to say that gays 'chose a different lifestyle' is wrong.  Most people know that.  There has always been a small percentage of the population that is gay.  Why would anyone 'choose' a lifestyle that has so many problems and generates so much hate?

Hey, I respect your opinions but I must strongly disagree with you on this issue.

 

[txradioguy]

Laws about marriage have changed over the years.  You know that.  Interracial marriage was once illegal.  Multiple wives in the Mormon community was legal.

A law is not a Constitutional right.

Two guys "marrying" is not even in the same ball park as whether a whit woman and a black man can marry.

It's 110% dishonest to try and compare the two.

The saddest thing about marriage now is the lack of commitment.  Too many divorces ... too many selfish people unwilling to compromise and make it work.

Agree with you there.  We have the advent of the no-fault divorce in 1969 to thank for the 50% divorce rate in the U.S.

So, yeah, you may think in this particular time and place that you know without a doubt what 'marriage is supposed to be all about' but you don't.

I obviously understand what it's about more than you do.

And to say that gays 'chose a different lifestyle' is wrong.

No it's not.  It's quite accurate actually.

Most people know that.

 

Bull.

There has always been a small percentage of the population that is gay.

 

Yes 2-3%.  And that minute minority is trying to force the majority of the country to accept their sexual preference as normal.

Why would anyone 'choose' a lifestyle that has so many problems and generates so much hate?

For the same reason someone chooses a red head or a blond...or someone with a nice butt or a big chest.

It's what they prefer.  It's what they seek out in a partner.

Hey, I respect your opinions but I must strongly disagree with you on this issue.

Hate to tell you but on this your opinion is just flat out wrong.

[txradioguy]

 

[goodwithagun]

I do not consider Christianity to be a "myth".   I urge any Christian who believes homosexuality to be a sin not to practice it.  What I objected to was myth-based discrimination against homosexuals.   The Bible does not counsel one to discriminate against homosexuals.  To the contrary, it counsels one to love one's brother as one would oneself.

I would respond with factual contradictions on what you typed, but others have done so unsuccessfully in the past. You're lost. I pray you find your way.

[Emjay]

Thanks.  That's probably the only favorable comment I'll get so I appreciate it.

[Emjay]

I would respond with factual contradictions on what you typed, but others have done so unsuccessfully in the past. You're lost. I pray you find your way.

I love it when people are so sure they know exactly what Jesus would do and sanctimoniously say they'll pray for others to see things exactly as they do.

Why don't people ever say, "I'll pray for myself that I get a better understand of others."

[INVAR]

I do not consider Christianity to be a "myth".   I urge any Christian who believes homosexuality to be a sin not to practice it.  What I objected to was myth-based discrimination against homosexuals.   The Bible does not counsel one to discriminate against homosexuals.  To the contrary, it counsels one to love one's brother as one would oneself.

You are as ignorant of scripture as you are of the Constitution or deliberately deceitful.  You deliberately confuse 'love' with acknowledgement and acceptance.  That is not 'love'.  That is license.

But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually perverted or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. - I Corinthians 5:9-12

[goodwithagun]

When my own kids got into behavior that I despised, I never 'broadened my horizons' to condone and embrace those behaviors which will harm them and cause them misery and pain.  Every parent I know who was stupid enough to 'broaden their horizons' and accept destructive and perverted behavior ended up losing their kid to the miseries and consequences of those behaviors that they never bothered to steer them away from, because they were 'open minded' enough to accept bad behavior.

There are consequences to bad and perverted behavior.  My kids were warned of the consequences and they were warned we would not be there to bail them out of the consequences they earned for bad behavior.

They know we love them, and they also know we love them enough not to nod our heads and accept those things that we find unacceptable.

If I had a kid doing drugs the idea of 'broadening my horizons' is beyond ludicrous.  If I "lose" them because they want to have their good time, and don't like the fact I think their choices and lifestyle are wrong, I'm at least not going to have to look myself in the mirror at their funeral and regret I condoned their behavior rather than point them to the direction of life and happiness as God defines it.

A good friend decided to cut his son off due to a series of poor decisions the young man refused to learn from. Long story short, they are reunited and the young man is in Army intelligence. He is in jump school now because he wants to do spec ops. It took the young man about nine months of suffering to realize that dad was right about his life and that he was cut off out of love. My in-laws refuse to cut off brother-in-law and he now continues to make poor decisions. He is 42 and has still never purchased a car. My in-laws have given him every car he's ever had. They supplement his income even though, on paper, he makes enough to live responsibly. They have been doing this for 20 years now.

The reason we are in this mess is because we attempted to "broaden horizons" instead of treating the mentally ill as what they are. It's cruel, actually, to tell homosexuals that their lifestyles are acceptable.

[Sanguine]

I hesitated about even looking at this thread for a couple of days but I've read all 4 or 5 pages and been amazed at the civility shown by all.  Congrats!

I wasn't tempted to post a reply until I saw your post here.

There is nothing like having one's own child or someone you care deeply for get into behavior you previously despised.  It certainly makes you think and get perspective.

You can either lose the person or broaden your own horizons.

Yes, adhering to a set of standards means you will almost certainly lose some people as you go through life. 

If something is wrong, it's wrong whether you do it or your son/daughter does it or some guy you've never met does it. 

And, we do need to be compassionate, but compassion does not mean changing core principles because we may offend or alienate someone close to us.

[goodwithagun]

I love it when people are so sure they know exactly what Jesus would do and sanctimoniously say they'll pray for others to see things exactly as they do.

Why don't people ever say, "I'll pray for myself that I get a better understand of others."

Based on your response then you do know what Jesus wants? Here's a hint: We have a guide to Christianity with which to base our decisions. Yep. Some people a long time ago thought to write stuff down and we now call it the Bible. But you know that.

Cut the bs and admit you're only here to troll. That's the only thing you do. You go on threads and make passive aggressive comments to get people all riled up and then sit back and play the little ol' me card. Go back to TOS or get a different hobby.

[Emjay]

When my own kids got into behavior that I despised, I never 'broadened my horizons' to condone and embrace those behaviors which will harm them and cause them misery and pain.  Every parent I know who was stupid enough to 'broaden their horizons' and accept destructive and perverted behavior ended up losing their kid to the miseries and consequences of those behaviors that they never bothered to steer them away from, because they were 'open minded' enough to accept bad behavior.

There are consequences to bad and perverted behavior.  My kids were warned of the consequences and they were warned we would not be there to bail them out of the consequences they earned for bad behavior.

They know we love them, and they also know we love them enough not to nod our heads and accept those things that we find unacceptable.

If I had a kid doing drugs the idea of 'broadening my horizons' is beyond ludicrous.  If I "lose" them because they want to have their good time, and don't like the fact I think their choices and lifestyle are wrong, I'm at least not going to have to look myself in the mirror at their funeral and regret I condoned their behavior rather than point them to the direction of life and happiness as God defines it.

Equating doing drugs with homosexuality is ridiculous.  Nuff said.