The Foolishness of Never Trumpers

[RoosGirl]

His position at ExxonMobil was direct opposite.  He even mentioned he would not crater to pressure to provide same sex benefits, when other  companies were caving.

Why, do you suppose, he allowed the allowed the celebration of homosexual pride at the State Dept. last month?

[catfish1957]

Why, do you suppose, he allowed the allowed the celebration of homosexual pride at the State Dept. last month?

Good question.  All I know as CEO at ExxonMobil he was not homo-friendly.  How or why he changed?  I have no idea.

[Silver Pines]

His position at ExxonMobil was direct opposite.  He even mentioned he would not crater to pressure to provide same sex benefits, when other  companies were caving.

@catfish1957
@Cripplecreek

That's true.  If you read about Tillerson and the Boy Scouts, some claim "pragmatism " led him to lobby for gays to be admitted.  So that's comforting.

It's also said he prayed about it and believed he was led to the right decision for the boys' sakes.    No doubt...

[Cripplecreek]

@catfish1957
@Cripplecreek

That's true.  If you read about Tillerson and the Boy Scouts, some claim "pragmatism " led him to lobby for gays to be admitted.  So that's comforting.

It's also said he prayed about it and believed he was led to the right decision for the boys' sakes.    No doubt...

He also joined Ivanka Trump in "recognizing" gay pride.

[DCPatriot]

Good question.  All I know as CEO at ExxonMobil he was not homo-friendly.  How or why he changed?  I have no idea.

One's a corporation, deemed "a person" by law.  The CEO ultimately speaks and acts on behalf of the shareholders, and can lawfully deny them recognition.

The other is the government that wrote the discrimination laws.  More importantly, enforces them. 

It's a matter of being held to a higher standard, whether one likes it or not.

[DCPatriot]

@catfish1957
@Cripplecreek

That's true.  If you read about Tillerson and the Boy Scouts, some claim "pragmatism " led him to lobby for gays to be admitted.  So that's comforting.

It's also said he prayed about it and believed he was led to the right decision for the boys' sakes.    No doubt...

Perhaps, he has a close family member or friend who've given him a broader perspective? 

[Silver Pines]

Perhaps, he has a close family member or friend who've given him a broader perspective?

@DCPatriot

That could be, although I wouldn't call it having a broader perspective.  I'd call it allowing personal involvement to sway one away from what he knows is right.

[Cripplecreek]

@DCPatriot

That could be, although I wouldn't call it having a broader perspective.  I'd call it allowing personal involvement to sway one away from what he knows is right.

I've got gay relatives and they haven't "broadened" my perspectives despite me treating them like any other family members.

[Silver Pines]

I've got gay relatives and they haven't "broadened" my perspectives despite me treating them like any other family members.

Same would be true for me.  I have a friend whose sister got tired of men and decided she was a lesbian.  This chick turned into a tyrant, bullying any family member who didn't approve, threatening to remove her presence forever.  My friend gave in and took her three daughters to the lesbian's "wedding".  The girls are in a conservative Catholic school, so reconciling the wedding with school/church teaching must be challenging.

[Jazzhead]

@DCPatriot

That could be, although I wouldn't call it having a broader perspective.  I'd call it allowing personal involvement to sway one away from what he knows is right.

Or, perhaps,  personal involvement that swayed him to the conclusion that myth-based discrimination against homosexuals isn't right.   

It is perhaps unfortunate that the SCOTUS ruled as quickly as it did;  the public's acceptance of civil equality for homosexuals was increasing rapidly as more and more folks realized that they knew homosexuals at work, at church,  and in their own families.   States were lining up to change their laws, and employers were lining up to change their benefit practices. 

Familiarity is the true enemy of intolerance.   

[Silver Pines]

myth-based discrimination

@Jazzhead

Still "disaffected", I see, lol.

[DCPatriot]

I've got gay relatives and they haven't "broadened" my perspectives despite me treating them like any other family members.

Well, that's a start, @Cripplecreek .

 ^-^

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead

Still "disaffected", I see, lol.

My opposition is to discrimination, not religion.   

[Sanguine]

My opposition is to discrimination, not religion.

LOL!  Religion is discriminating. 

[RoosGirl]

One's a corporation, deemed "a person" by law.  The CEO ultimately speaks and acts on behalf of the shareholders, and can lawfully deny them recognition.

The other is the government that wrote the discrimination laws.  More importantly, enforces them. 

It's a matter of being held to a higher standard, whether one likes it or not.

So a gov't agency hositng a gay pride month is what is necessary to uphold discrimination laws? 

[Silver Pines]

My opposition is to discrimination, not religion.

Discrimination is bad or good depending on the issue at hand.  People discriminate every day in order to make correct choices. 

[Silver Pines]

dis·crim·i·nate
dəˈskriməˌnāt/Submit
verb
1.
recognize a distinction; differentiate.
"babies can discriminate between different facial expressions of emotion"
synonyms:   differentiate, distinguish, draw a distinction, tell the difference, tell apart; separate, separate the sheep from the goats, separate the wheat from the chaff
"he cannot discriminate between fact and fiction"

[INVAR]

My opposition is to discrimination, not religion.

Right.... that 'myth-based' thing you supposedly don't discriminate against.   

I choose to discriminate against those opposed to discrimination.... with prejudice. 

[montanajoe]

Trump is an idiot and an embarrassment to this nation as are his followers...

I ignored politics for the most part for the last eight years with Obama so its not difficult to do the same with Trump.

I must say I can't help looking in on the threads his acolytes post to get my morning chuckle...keep it up guys and girls your efforts are not in vain

[goodwithagun]

My opposition is to discrimination, not religion.

You refer to Christianity as a myth and then claim not to discriminate 

[txradioguy]

Or, perhaps,  personal involvement that swayed him to the conclusion that myth-based discrimination against homosexuals isn't right.   

It is perhaps unfortunate that the SCOTUS ruled as quickly as it did;  the public's acceptance of civil equality for homosexuals was increasing rapidly as more and more folks realized that they knew homosexuals at work, at church,  and in their own families.   States were lining up to change their laws, and employers were lining up to change their benefit practices. 

Familiarity is the true enemy of intolerance.   

The only time there is "myth-based discrimination against homosexuals" is when Liberals such as yourself claim that gays are denied the same rights as straight people.

It's not only a myth...it's a lie.

[Emjay]

Perhaps, he has a close family member or friend who've given him a broader perspective?

I hesitated about even looking at this thread for a couple of days but I've read all 4 or 5 pages and been amazed at the civility shown by all.  Congrats!

I wasn't tempted to post a reply until I saw your post here.

There is nothing like having one's own child or someone you care deeply for get into behavior you previously despised.  It certainly makes you think and get perspective.

You can either lose the person or broaden your own horizons.

[Emjay]

I may have spoken too soon about civility because I didn't read Page 5 when I posted.

There is nothing like a discussion of homosexuality to bring out the beast in people.

[Night Hides Not]

LOL!  Religion is discriminating.

I can recall a time when being thought of as a "discriminating" person was considered a compliment.

[txradioguy]

I may have spoken too soon about civility because I didn't read Page 5 when I posted.

There is nothing like a discussion of homosexuality to bring out the beast in people.

It's only nasty when people try to falsely claim discrimination and bigotry that doesn't exist.