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What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
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What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)

By Paul Bentley for the Daily Mail
Updated: 15:37 EDT, 1 September 2011

The year is 1942. After the Luftwaffe launch a devastating attack on the British fleet, Hitler's ships race across the Atlantic and - with the help of 5th columnists - invade America.

This is just one of the nightmare scenarios imagined by Life magazine at the time, when the threat of a Nazi invasion seemed all too real.

Created in the months after Pearl Harbor, the March 2 issue featured a series of maps showing how experts predicted Hitler might try to annex the U.S.

On the maps below, black arrows alone mean a feint, while black with a grey border indicates a full invasion...


Option 1: Hit and run across the Atlantic. One scenario imagined by Life magazine sees the Germans invade the U.S. from the East Coast. But first, they would have needed to take out the British fleet, rescue captured Vichy France and Italian fleets - and have help from 5th columnists in the U.S. Meanwhile, separate assaults would be made on Seattle, San Francisco and LA

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2032699/What-Nazis-invaded-America-Maps-published-1942-Life-issue-detailed-plans-Hitler-invasion-U-S.html#ixzz4lmPZW5HQ
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Re: What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2017, 03:01:35 pm »
I think that only the U.S. had the manufacturing and logistics capability for that scale of war.
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Re: What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2017, 03:08:33 pm »
Quote from: endicom on July 03, 2017, 03:01:35 pm
I think that only the U.S. had the manufacturing and logistics capability for that scale of war.

The Nazis couldn't invade England. I'm fairly certain they never for a second considered invading the US.
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Re: What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2017, 03:14:27 pm »
Quote from: endicom on July 03, 2017, 03:01:35 pm
I think that only the U.S. had the manufacturing and logistics capability for that scale of war.

Absolutely right! Much like the Chinese of today who have a massive military that would be formidable for anyone trying to invade China but pretty much useless otherwise.
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Re: What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2017, 03:42:34 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on July 03, 2017, 03:08:33 pm
The Nazis couldn't invade England. I'm fairly certain they never for a second considered invading the US.

They drew up plans but that was as far as it got. No doubt Hitler's ego thought he could do it, but he wouldn't have made it past the Appalachians.
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Re: What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2017, 04:48:33 pm »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on July 03, 2017, 03:42:34 pm
They drew up plans but that was as far as it got. No doubt Hitler's ego thought he could do it, but he wouldn't have made it past the Appalachians.

I doubt he woulda made it halfway across the Atlantic. No lift/logistic capability.
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Re: What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2017, 04:50:40 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on July 03, 2017, 03:08:33 pm
The Nazis couldn't invade England. I'm fairly certain they never for a second considered invading the US.
No, but they did have a 'New York" bomber drawn up, and were working on an ICBM.
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Re: What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2017, 04:57:31 pm »
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I doubt he woulda made it halfway across the Atlantic. No lift/logistic capability.

LOL! They couldn't get the biggest battleships in the world at the time out of Norwegian waters!  How the hell anyone could even contemplate them getting an invasion force across the Atlantic is a mystery to me!
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Re: What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2017, 05:22:33 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on July 03, 2017, 04:57:31 pm
LOL! They couldn't get the biggest battleships in the world at the time out of Norwegian waters!  How the hell anyone could even contemplate them getting an invasion force across the Atlantic is a mystery to me!
The absence of air cover to get the Tirpitz to the ocean is what killed it. If the Luftwaffe had made covering for the Tirpitz enough of a priority to get it into the pond proper, it might have changed things, even if it would not win the war.
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Re: What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2017, 05:33:59 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 03, 2017, 05:22:33 pm
The absence of air cover to get the Tirpitz to the ocean is what killed it. If the Luftwaffe had made covering for the Tirpitz enough of a priority to get it into the pond proper, it might have changed things, even if it would not win the war.


I'm bookmarking this. It's kinda fascinating to me, but I'm happy it didn't happen. Kinda reminds me of the man in the Iron Castle, no?
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Re: What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2017, 05:34:44 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 03, 2017, 05:22:33 pm
The absence of air cover to get the Tirpitz to the ocean is what killed it. If the Luftwaffe had made covering for the Tirpitz enough of a priority to get it into the pond proper, it might have changed things, even if it would not win the war.

Perhaps, but that raises even more questions doesn't it?
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Re: What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2017, 05:41:50 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on July 03, 2017, 04:48:33 pm
I doubt he woulda made it halfway across the Atlantic. No lift/logistic capability.

No, but assuming he did, we would have shredded his troops with a gun behind every blade of grass and around every corner.
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Re: What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2017, 06:45:28 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on July 03, 2017, 05:34:44 pm
Perhaps, but that raises even more questions doesn't it?
It makes for fertile ground to speculate. It might have shifted everything from carriers to the Atlantic, and air wings to attempt to sink the ship with the standoff capability to damage allied shipping and sea power in the Atlantic without being hit, other than from the air or by submarine. The shift in assets may have delayed the actions in the Pacific War.

An unintended consequence would be the delay of the island hopping campaign until the bomb was developed, in which case, the US would have taken an island to launch the bomb from, used carrier aircraft for cover, and ended the war with fewer American Casualties  (If, at that point, the resolve to use The Bomb was present.)
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Re: What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2017, 09:45:23 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 03, 2017, 05:22:33 pm
The absence of air cover to get the Tirpitz to the ocean is what killed it. If the Luftwaffe had made covering for the Tirpitz enough of a priority to get it into the pond proper, it might have changed things, even if it would not win the war.

Having the 'fleet in being' in Norway including the Tirpitz was probably more effective than having it loose in the Atlantic. Its presence as a constant menace to the russian convoys tied up quiet a number of major Royal Navy fleet units for a long time.
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Re: What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2017, 09:48:54 pm »
Take Iceland
Take Greenland
Invade Maine and move south

Virtually impossible due to logistics
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Re: What if the Nazis had invaded America? Maps reveal how Hitler could have attacked the U.S. (as imagined by 1942 issue of Life magazine)
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2017, 10:20:06 pm »
It would have been impossible for Germany to invade the US. Hitler had to stop new naval construction after the war started because they did not have the industrial capacity to have both a huge army/air force and a navy. The United States had more industrial capacity than all the rest of the world combined. The result of the war was decided when Japan attacked us and Hitler declared war two days later. With the USA all in, it was only a matter of time.
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