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Offline Right_in_Virginia

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A Free Press Is Not Enough
« on: July 03, 2017, 02:06:16 pm »
A Free Press Is Not Enough
American Thinker, Jul 3, 2017, Tom Trinko

Americans don't need just a free press; they need access to accurate information in order to make up their own minds about what they want the government to do.

While it's true that a free press is a prerequisite for the people to have access to the data they need, it's not sufficient.

We currently, despite Democrat attempts to the contrary, have a free press in America.  Yet the systemic left-wing bias of the mainstream media(MSM) – ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, Washington Post, L.A. Times, etc – means there is little difference between the accuracy of the information most Americans receive and the accuracy of the information people living in Communist China receive.

In both cases, highly skilled propagandists shape, through omission and commission, the news in order to create a false reality the ruling class uses to motivate people to go against what is in the people's  best interest and instead support policies that benefit the ruling elites.


More: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/07/a_free_press_is_not_enough.html

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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2017, 05:10:05 pm »
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...highly skilled propagandists shape, through omission and commission, the news in order to create a false reality the ruling class uses to motivate people to go against what is in the people's  best interest and instead support policies that benefit the ruling elites.

This is as true of the Pro-Trump alt media as it is of the MSM.  When I read "news" on say Breitbart that insists that 'Trump is more Conservative than Reagan', that is in the same league of bullshit as 'All Whites are racist and they cause global warming by how they live'.

Pumping narratives is what 'news' has become and it's not going to go away - even though Trump says the media is going to be 'forced' to report positively on his 'accomplishments'.
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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2017, 05:21:10 pm »
This is as true of the Pro-Trump alt media as it is of the MSM.  When I read "news" on say Breitbart that insists that 'Trump is more Conservative than Reagan', that is in the same league of bullshit as 'All Whites are racist and they cause global warming by how they live'.

Pumping narratives is what 'news' has become and it's not going to go away - even though Trump says the media is going to be 'forced' to report positively on his 'accomplishments'.

There is no clearer sign of propaganda than declaring all others to be false and only a few approved sources legitimate.

Clowns like Hannity and Limbaugh try to portray themselves as separate, different and better but in reality they're from the same litter and are fighting over the same set of nipples.


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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2017, 05:22:31 pm »
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This is as true of the Pro-Trump alt media as it is of the MSM.

This is a little like saying the Continental Army was just as wrong as that of the British.  (In honor of Independence Day   :patriot: )

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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2017, 05:38:40 pm »
This is a little like saying the Continental Army was just as wrong as that of the British.  (In honor of Independence Day   :patriot: )

No. 

It's not.

Not even in the same universe you are attempting to dump my comment into.

The Continental Army did not employ the tactics of the British Regulars or their hired mercenaries in order to 'win'.

So your allegory sucks as much as it is inappropriate.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2017, 06:17:10 pm »
No. 

It's not. .../


We're going to have to agree to disagree @INVAR 







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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2017, 07:20:32 pm »
We're going to have to agree to disagree @INVAR

I expect nothing less from someone who would suggest through subtlety that anyone not seig-heiling Trump is to be regarded as unpatriotic.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2017, 07:27:21 pm »
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Quote from: INVAR on Today at 01:38:40 PM

No. 

It's not. .../

We're going to have to agree to disagree @INVAR 

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   And to think you admonished me last night for doing a strikethrough on some of YOUR comment........Selective outrage much?
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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2017, 07:31:16 pm »
Wow.

An editorial for a Ministry of Truth.

From a conservative source.

How Orwellian.

And doubleplus ungood.

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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2017, 07:41:37 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia
   And to think you admonished me last night for doing a strikethrough on some of YOUR comment........Selective outrage much?

Hypocrisy is par for the course with Trump supporters and Leftists apparently.  Okay for them to do what they demand you are not permitted to do.

Because MAGA and.... because... payback.... and because - the ends justifies the means.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2017, 07:52:46 pm »
   That does of course clear everything up @Right_in_Virginia thanks for taking the time out of your busy day to further advance my knowledge of Forum Protocol.

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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2017, 07:55:18 pm »
Please see my reply in post 10.  I hope it helps here, too.   :shrug:

I frankly don't care.

I'm not hung up on the minutiae of quote parsing like you are.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2017, 07:58:21 pm »
I frankly don't care.

I'm not hung up on the minutiae of quote parsing like you are.

Okay. Thanks.  This was helpful.   I'll try to remember this and not reply to any future questions or comments to me about it.  :beer:
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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2017, 08:02:39 pm »
Let's just discuss the article, and not one another, m'kay?

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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2017, 08:13:40 pm »
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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2017, 08:25:09 pm »
I did not strikeout any comment @corbe   This notation: .../ tells the reader that the quote continues and directs them back to the original comment. The notation is also used when posting an article, and for the same reason. This is globally accepted SOP,

Could you provide a link to an example of that notation being used somewhere....

cause I've never seen it used before.

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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2017, 08:29:38 pm »
This is a little like saying the Continental Army was just as wrong as that of the British.  (In honor of Independence Day   :patriot: )

No, it's not at all the same thing. If it were, that would translate something like saying your propaganda is better, somehow more righteous than theirs.

Propaganda is propaganda.
It's always sh*t.

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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2017, 08:38:27 pm »
I did not strikeout any comment @corbe   This notation: .../  tells the reader that the quote continues and directs them back to the original comment. The notation is also used when posting an article, and for the same reason. This is globally accepted SOP,

Well, no. I got it, but the globally accepted SOP is a bracketed ellipses. [...]

Things added to a quotation by an editor are always to be in brackets. including exclusion - represented by adding the ellipses within brackets.

Which is not a bad thing, btw, providing the editor does not change the meaning of the author's words by way of omission.

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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2017, 10:19:53 pm »
Let's just discuss the article, and not one another, m'kay?

Wait a minute. I thought they were putting on an object lesson on media bias.


In both cases, highly skilled propagandists shape, through omission and commission, the news in order to create a false reality the ruling class uses to motivate people to go against what is in the people's  best interest and instead support policies that benefit the ruling elites.


All the talk of forum protocol.
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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2017, 12:16:31 am »
   Quick, someone take @bigheadfred pills away, He's taking on a moderator and if there was ever an exercise in futility, we are witnessing it first hand.



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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2017, 12:20:05 am »
   Quick, someone take @bigheadfred pills away, He's taking on a moderator and if there was ever an exercise in futility, we are witnessing it first hand.



That was SUPPOSED to go to Mitch McConnell back in 2014.

We were wondering where that scrip went.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2017, 12:35:19 am »
Funny thing about that stuff. I ain't got big balls, just a lot more hair on my ass.

and that bighead

it ain't brains

its a callus
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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2017, 12:43:06 am »
   Just a little too much information @bigheadfred my first impulse, of course, was to post the big balls meatloaf video but I didn't want to give you another chance to further describe your anatomy, though I'm sure some of our resident Ladies may welcome that, they'd never admit it.


   Edited to add, I love trashing around on @Right_in_Virginia threads.
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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2017, 01:29:54 am »
Because this thread needs cats in it before it's locked.



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Re: A Free Press Is Not Enough
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2017, 01:38:23 am »
Because this thread needs cats in it before it's locked.

@Freya

Catty posts is exactly why threads get locked.
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