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Three States Openly Defy President, Refuse To Turn Over Vote Fraud Data
By Andrew West June 30, 2017
 

The liberal hopes for a New Civil War are becoming more substantial by the day, and a shocking dissent by three entire states today will have the President furious.

Beginning in the wee hours of the morning on November 9th, 2016, when it became obvious that Donald Trump had defeated the corrupt and incorrigible Hillary Clinton in the presidential election, the liberals began to plan enormous, anti-Trump lifestyles.  Now known as the “resistance”, what was once a loose band of casually angry leftists have transformed entirely.  Gone are the days of liberals mumbling under their breath when someone enters their Starbucks wearing a “Make America Great Again” ball cap.  Now, what we are seeing from the left is something far more despicable and criminal.

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California, Virginia, and New York? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!
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California, Virginia, and New York? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

Frankly, it's shocking that those three are the ones to remember federalism and limited federal reach!  (Virginia, I'm not surprised on, but the other two...)
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Frankly, it's shocking that those three are the ones to remember federalism and limited federal reach!  (Virginia, I'm not surprised on, but the other two...)
As much as Virginia has been in the news, over this, I'm not surprised they'd find a reason, legitimate or otherwise to hold onto their data.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,269841.0/topicseen.html

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Frankly, it's shocking that those three are the ones to remember federalism and limited federal reach!  (Virginia, I'm not surprised on, but the other two...)

If anything the feds should be handing all required info over to the states. Here in Michigan SOS Ruth Johnson was trying to get the feds to hand over records on immigration status, death records etc and the Obama administration refused.

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Is there a constitutional requirement that they do?

I thought the vote was a state-sanctioned thing.  If there is fraud in the state, it seemingly is none of the federal government's business.

Even Texas realizes this it seems http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,269893.0.html
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Is there a constitutional requirement that they do?

I thought the vote was a state-sanctioned thing.  If there is fraud in the state, it seemingly is none of the federal government's business.

Even Texas realizes this it seems http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,269893.0.html

Just the opposite. Running of elections and other than a few national eligibility requirements, is Constitutionally mandated to the States, not the Federal government. At that, it is pretty clear the amount of data being requested by the federal government of the States is not Constitutional.

Texas is one of 23 States so far that has said absolutely not regarding giving private data. They will only release public data.

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California, Virginia, and New York? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

It is now up to 23 States rejecting this including many Conservative states like Texas. It is a Constitutional issue. The feds are asking for information on voters they have no right to have.

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It is now up to 23 States rejecting this including many Conservative states like Texas. It is a Constitutional issue. The feds are asking for information on voters they have no right to have.
The feds picked an issue which aligns both red and blue states against it.

The good in this may be some education on what is the domain of the feds vs the domain of the states.

After all, the states have the real power always, if enough of them align together.  38 is the magic number.
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The feds picked an issue which aligns both red and blue states against it.

The good in this may be some education on what is the domain of the feds vs the domain of the states.

After all, the states have the real power always, if enough of them align together.  38 is the magic number.

I posted this on another thread, but it is interesting the administration is trying to use Bill Clinton's  National Voter Registration Act of 1993 as justification as Conservatives rallied against that at the time- and the demands now are much greater.

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It's time for Congressional subpoenas and testimony under oath, with serious prison time for refusals.

One of the questions I would ask the subpoenaed persons would be "Who persuaded you to defy the request for the data?" 

If they stonewall by taking the Fifth, Congress should grant them immunity (and maybe even offer them Witness Protection) if and only if they:

1) tell the whole truth and
2) comply fully with the data request (and the Congressional subpoena).

It they are reluctant to submit to those terms, I would publicly threaten them with the most serious prison sentence possible.  I would also point out that if they think they can sweat out the prison term and go on to make a lovely future career of cozying up to political crooks, they will almost certainly wind up in prison again. 

I would also tell them that one of these days, participants in the national voting fraud conspiracy will likely be prosecuted for treason--a capital crime.
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The feds picked an issue which aligns both red and blue states against it.

The good in this may be some education on what is the domain of the feds vs the domain of the states.

After all, the states have the real power always, if enough of them align together.  38 is the magic number.

Yeah, states rights should trump (pardon expression) the feds' request for this info.  Four years from now, all that personal voter info could be used against Texans by a Democrat president.  I say hell no to that.
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It's time for Congressional subpoenas and testimony under oath, with serious prison time for refusals.

One of the questions I would ask the subpoenaed persons would be "Who persuaded you to defy the request for the data?" 

If they stonewall by taking the Fifth, Congress should grant them immunity (and maybe even offer them Witness Protection) if and only if they:

1) tell the whole truth and
2) comply fully with the data request (and the Congressional subpoena).

It they are reluctant to submit to those terms, I would publicly threaten them with the most serious prison sentence possible.  I would also point out that if they think they can sweat out the prison term and go on to make a lovely future career of cozying up to political crooks, they will almost certainly wind up in prison again. 

I would also tell them that one of these days, participants in the national voting fraud conspiracy will likely be prosecuted for treason--a capital crime.

If I were governor Abbot of Texas, I would answer - The United States Constitution- and then walk out.

Outside very limited scope regarding elections (not denying the right for race, sex, etc), the Federal Government has no jurisdiction over this and is asking for a massive amount of data they have no right to have. The data the Federal government has a right to have is public data they can get any time.

If the Federal Government tries to declare that a power which is Constitutionally mandated to the States is treason and a capital crime, as you suggest, you are already in deep crap....

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If I were governor Abbot of Texas, I would answer - The United States Constitution- and then walk out.

Outside very limited scope regarding elections (not denying the right for race, sex, etc), the Federal Government has no jurisdiction over this and is asking for a massive amount of data they have no right to have. The data the Federal government has a right to have is public data they can get any time.

If the Federal Government tries to declare that a power which is Constitutionally mandated to the States is treason and a capital crime, as you suggest, you are already in deep crap....

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It is now up to 23 States rejecting this including many Conservative states like Texas. It is a Constitutional issue. The feds are asking for information on voters they have no right to have.
While I'm not for the Feds overextending their Constitutional Authority, if the issue is one of voters in a Federal Election (POTUS), the question is one of just what data they should have. Ideally, they should cooperate with the States and even provide support in ferreting out fraud, but it is likely the most egregious offenders will not assist in that mission, nor demonstrate feasance in that regard.
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While I'm not for the Feds overextending their Constitutional Authority, if the issue is one of voters in a Federal Election (POTUS), the question is one of just what data they should have. Ideally, they should cooperate with the States and even provide support in ferreting out fraud, but it is likely the most egregious offenders will not assist in that mission, nor demonstrate feasance in that regard.

As I understand it, the data they are seeking is data that is by law available to the public.  The sort of stuff mail consultants, and the precinct targeting guys use to compile their databases. If that is the case, I have no problem at all with the feds having it as well.
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As I understand it, the data they are seeking is data that is by law available to the public.  The sort of stuff mail consultants, and the precinct targeting guys use to compile their databases. If that is the case, I have no problem at all with the feds having it as well.

No, that is all most states (like Texas) are willing to provide. They were asking for a lot of private data that isn't made available to the public like social security numbers, employers, etc. That's why Abbot told the administration to GFY.

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While I'm not for the Feds overextending their Constitutional Authority, if the issue is one of voters in a Federal Election (POTUS), the question is one of just what data they should have. Ideally, they should cooperate with the States and even provide support in ferreting out fraud, but it is likely the most egregious offenders will not assist in that mission, nor demonstrate feasance in that regard.
If its Constitutional for the FEC to be charged with administering campaign finance laws, then an independent agency should be charged with monitoring each states' results in a national election for the benefit of the nation at large. That would include each state's system being certified as fraud proof, I would think.

National elections only.

Otherwise a one party state like California could make sure its 55 electorals are forever thrown to the democrats every election, guaranteed. As they already are.
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Frankly, it's shocking that those three are the ones to remember federalism and limited federal reach!  (Virginia, I'm not surprised on, but the other two...)

I don't believe California, New York, or Virginia remember anything about Federalism or limited federal reach.  Had Obama wanted these exact data on some fictional premise of increasing registration and turnout I believe the data would have been forthcoming.  It isn't federal over-reach these states can't tolerate, it's Trump.

Having said that, I believe the Federal effort reaches beyond constitutional Federal authority and should be vigorously and unapologetically rejected by the states.  I am happy to see the red states of both my birth and my residency doing so, and I have zero new-found respect for the blue states that join them.
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If its Constitutional for the FEC to be charged with administering campaign finance laws, then an independent agency should be charged with monitoring each states' results in a national election for the benefit of the nation at large. That would include each state's system being certified as fraud proof, I would think.

National elections only.

Otherwise a one party state like California could make sure its 55 electorals are forever thrown to the democrats every election, guaranteed. As they already are.
Consider that a State like California, rife with sanctuaries in defiance of immigration law, is likely to have more of a problem, too, and it all leans the same direction.
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Consider that a State like California, rife with sanctuaries in defiance of immigration law, is likely to have more of a problem, too, and it all leans the same direction.

Exactly. If California can openly defy the feds as they attempt enforcement of their Constitutionally mandated responsibilities why should they expect the feds to certify their tainted election results?

The enumerated powers argument works both ways. Besides, who protects the other states from having their votes invalidated by the fraudulent results of states on the coasts?
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Yeah, states rights should trump (pardon expression) the feds' request for this info.  Four years from now, all that personal voter info could be used against Texans by a Democrat president.  I say hell no to that.
That evil Texan who became President signed the 1965 Voting Rights Act which is still +50 years on contributing to a lot of animosity of Texans to the Feds.

Hell, another idiot President from Texas signed a Reauthorization of it in 2006.

Since it is linked originally to racism, it seems to have a life of its own and will not simply die.

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Put it in te context of the second amendment.

One gun crime never justifies the punishment of all gun owners and some vote fraud will never justify the punishment of all.

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If I were governor Abbot of Texas, I would answer - The United States Constitution- and then walk out.

Outside very limited scope regarding elections (not denying the right for race, sex, etc), the Federal Government has no jurisdiction over this and is asking for a massive amount of data they have no right to have. The data the Federal government has a right to have is public data they can get any time.

If the Federal Government tries to declare that a power which is Constitutionally mandated to the States is treason and a capital crime, as you suggest, you are already in deep crap....

I don't think you really understood what I was saying.   I did not say that the States had to honor the request for information.  I agree with you that they did not have to honor the request. 

On the other hand, I think you are simply wrong in your opinion of Texas Governor Gregg Abbott.  Maybe I'm the one who's wrong, but I suspect that Abbott would have instructed the State's Executive Branch to produce whatever Texas voter fraud data they have, if any.  (I'll bet they have already gone through the records and come up with at least a preliminary assessment of any such fraud problem in Texas--which would help to expedite any Federal studies of this national problem.)     

I frankly assume that Governor Abbott would realize that Federalism does not mean that the States must (or even should) flatly refuse to cooperate with the Feds unless the Constitution forces them to cooperate.   "States' Rights" is not the pivotal issue in this particular case--except insofar as the Feds and the Courts have [under Obama] repeatedly blocked proper State-level remedies for this monumentally serious problem!  In the case of the data request, I would even go so far as to opine that the Governor of Texas would be pretty solidly on the side of the Feds, of course.  Texas as a whole wants to stop the voter fraud that has been going on all over the nation--and therefore would be pleased to assist the Feds in what will likely prove to be a major national initiative by Trump's administration and a Republican Congress.  This initiative by Trump will require a reversal of the anti-Constitutional--and anti-Covenantal--stance taken by Obama's administration.

My bottom-line point is that an amicable relationship between the Feds and the States is important for our covenantal (federal) government to work very well.  That is especially obvious when our crooked Federal courts and crooked Federal DOJ and crooked Dem politicos at the national level have tried to use ballot-stuffing (a la Alinskyism and Leninism) to STEAL FEDERAL ELECTIONS.  (Next, notice that all three of the States that have refused to provide the requested data are Blue States--with Democrat governors that are not known for being devotees of Original Federalism!  They are elite Socialists who don't give a fig for States Rights--or for honest rule by law, considered more generally. in my opinion.)

Under the circumstances of that perversely traitorous mess, all good States should cooperate with the Feds' data collection effort.   (The existing "data sets" are just a bunch of crap fed to the MSM to cover up a major conspiracy to destroy Constitutional republicanism.)

Even if the Executive Branch does not have the power to compel the data submittal, I submit that Congress does have that power if they will just bother to use it.  The House Judiciary Committee needs to do diligent fact-finding to amass evidence of systematic voting fraud being covered up by crooked, partisan federal judges (or misinformed Judges) who should be Constitutionally stripped of their activist tendencies.  Congress could then go on to proscribe Federal court jurisdiction over State laws that attempt to require voter IDs.

Yeah, I know that voter qualifications are under the jurisdiction of the individual states, but the Constitution never intended that today's Blue States give de facto permission for dead people to vote.

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On the issue of treason, perhaps I was being too nuanced in my earlier post.  I submit that we are looking at a major Global Socialist (ACORN-centered) conspiracy to overthrow the lawful government of the United States by federal-level election THEFT. (The fraud problems are not just isolated pockets of overly zealous partisans.  These are the work of America-hating "Global thinkers acting locally" and under clandestine coordination with Soros et al.)   

Yeah, I do say we are talking about treason.      We manifestly need to hang some people.  But we have to prove the conspiracy and figure out the identities of the conspirators.  Red States should chip in their resources for that.

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I think the problem goes beyond the 'zombie' vote, and extends to motor voter states which issue driver's licenses to illegals, and sign 'em up to vote (Democrat, of course) at the same time. I understand those sort of shenanigans were going on in Maryland, and I would think it happened elsewhere, too. Then the traveling voter circus buses and the 'vote early, vote often' campaigns. (110% turnout in Philly in one precinct), etc.

I didn't think much of Romney, but I honestly believe that election was stolen. This time, the 'fix' just wasn't enough (partly disaffected Bernie voter no shows, but partly fear of Hillary on the right, too). They were all just so hideously shocked when they lost.
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