Fewer cardiac arrests after Affordable Care Act expanded coverage

[skeeter]

Not just the ordinary poor! Add in heroin addicts, tweekers, people who catch incurable diseases because of how they behave, and so much more!

Don't forget our recent arrivals, legal and otherwise.

[Smokin Joe]

Round them up!  We must reduce the surplus population.   

Nonsense! Leave them to their own devices and they will take care of that by themselves. 

[Wingnut]

Nonsense! Leave them to their own devices and they will take care of that by themselves. 

Are there no prisons?  And the Union workhouses they should still be in operation.  Those who are badly off must go there. So what if many can't go there; and they would rather die.
I say if they would rather die they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.

[EC]

@Wingnut

Marley wants a word ....

[Smokin Joe]

Are there no prisons?  And the Union workhouses they should still be in operation.  Those who are badly off must go there. So what if many can't go there; and they would rather die.
I say if they would rather die they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.

What in the Dickens do you mean?

[Smokin Joe]

@Wingnut

Marley wants a word ....

'Sup, Jake?

[Wingnut]

@Wingnut

Marley wants a word ....

What in the Dickens do you mean?

'Sup, Jake?

You guys rock!   

[Suppressed]

What in the Dickens do you mean?

[INVAR]

What in the Dickens do you mean?

This whole diversion of discourse is just an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of underdone potato. There's more of gravy than of grave about this, whatever it is!

[EC]

I'll wait for Fezziwig to chime in. He's got sense.

[INVAR]

I'll wait for Fezziwig to chime in. He's got sense.

He's part of the 1% and too damn cheery for the likes of your average Democrat to tolerate.

Sense?

Bah Humbug!

[truth_seeker]

The ACA HAS been a boon for some folks.   

A real boon to democrats, for it keeps their voters alive longer, at others' expense.

What exactly is the value to a society, to keep the least productive, non-self-supporting people alive forever?

 

[Smokin Joe]

He's part of the 1% and too damn cheery for the likes of your average Democrat to tolerate.

Sense?

Bah Humbug!

God Bless us, every one!

[Wingnut]

God Bless us, every one!

Bob Cratchit offers a sincere and devout toast. The others repeat it, somewhat ritualistically; they "echo" Bob's sentiments, rather than expressing their own. Not Tim. He is so moved and so devout that he adds to the toast, emphasizing it, but also enlarging it. It is a particularization--"us" is vague, but "every one" is particular. "Everyone" would have been redundant, but "every one" is not. Part of the genius of the scene is that Tim blesses all those present--which happens to include Scrooge, although he is unseen. Cratchit's words are said for the family he loves so much. "Us" is specific, and exclusive. Tim's words reach beyond "us" to include Scrooge, and indeed, everyone.

As for the rhythm and the meaning of the sentence, Dickens had choices:

God bless us.
God bless us all.
God bless us all, everyone.
God bless us all, every one.
God bless us every one.​

The penultimate sentence in that list is pretty good. I might have settled for it. But not Dickens. His choice produces a moment when prose turns to poetry. It is genius.

[CSM]

This is complete and total fraud.  If their hypothesis is actually true, then why did they need to narrow the sample to a single county in the state?  In fact, I would bet that a full state-wide look at the stats would likely show an increase in the same data.  The same group committed this fraud in relation to the "positive impact of smoking bans" in a single county in North Dakota.  It has been completely debunked by so many groups and so often that they actually had to go pull the study.

In fact, I just did a quick google search and found that the OHCA incidences nationwide was 320K in 2014 and 326K in 2015.  Hence, using their own logic, I could blame Obamacare for the rise in heart attacks! 

The amazing thing is that people buy this nonsense.

[Smokin Joe]

Bob Cratchit offers a sincere and devout toast. The others repeat it, somewhat ritualistically; they "echo" Bob's sentiments, rather than expressing their own. Not Tim. He is so moved and so devout that he adds to the toast, emphasizing it, but also enlarging it. It is a particularization--"us" is vague, but "every one" is particular. "Everyone" would have been redundant, but "every one" is not. Part of the genius of the scene is that Tim blesses all those present--which happens to include Scrooge, although he is unseen. Cratchit's words are said for the family he loves so much. "Us" is specific, and exclusive. Tim's words reach beyond "us" to include Scrooge, and indeed, everyone.

As for the rhythm and the meaning of the sentence, Dickens had choices:

God bless us.
God bless us all.
God bless us all, everyone.
God bless us all, every one.
God bless us every one.​

The penultimate sentence in that list is pretty good. I might have settled for it. But not Dickens. His choice produces a moment when prose turns to poetry. It is genius.

I believe that Dickens (and others) not only knew the value of meter and sound orchestration in prose, but equally relied on the subtle nuances of semantics to reach those who were similarly capable.
It is indeed a level of competence rarely seen in most modern writers who have neither the knowledge of the language nor the talent for their chosen craft.

[Smokin Joe]

This is complete and total fraud.  If their hypothesis is actually true, then why did they need to narrow the sample to a single county in the state?  In fact, I would bet that a full state-wide look at the stats would likely show an increase in the same data.  The same group committed this fraud in relation to the "positive impact of smoking bans" in a single county in North Dakota.  It has been completely debunked by so many groups and so often that they actually had to go pull the study.

In fact, I just did a quick google search and found that the OHCA incidences nationwide was 320K in 2014 and 326K in 2015.  Hence, using their own logic, I could blame Obamacare for the rise in heart attacks! 

The amazing thing is that people buy this nonsense.

This is what you get when the bar is lowered to the Algore School of Science and Scamology level. If you discard enough data, you can almost always find something that will fit your desired conclusion and plug it in.

[CSM]

I posted a link to the paper.  Would you please critique the specifics you're objecting to?  Was the methodology wrong?

Yes, the sample size is much too small to draw such conclusions.  The differences between the years being measured was 15 less OCHA events in a population of 650,000.  In reality, the national rate of OCHA events had increased during the same period.  Let's run the numbers.  This was a decrease in events by about 0.002% of the population, yet their P-value is 0.01, which means if their claimed "obamacare expansion" had no effect, that we would still observe a reduction of about 7-15%.  In other words, by random chance we should see greater fluctuations in the data than what they have measured in the study.  They clearly cherry picked data.

As I posted in a different response, the national rate of OCHA events in 2014 was 320K and in 2015 it was 326K.  That is a 0.3% increase.  By these fraud's logic, we should be able to blame Obamacare for this increase!  It would hardly be statistical honesty, but it is the right conclusion using their approach.

Don't fall for these frauds, and frauds they are.  They did exactly the same thing a few years ago in ND and they have been debunked several times since.

[Wingnut]

I believe that Dickens (and others) not only knew the value of meter and sound orchestration in prose, but equally relied on the subtle nuances of semantics to reach those who were similarly capable.
It is indeed a level of competence rarely seen in most modern writers who have neither the knowledge of the language nor the talent for their chosen craft.

Man you sure do use your tongue prettier than a $20 Hooker!

[Night Hides Not]

@Wingnut

Marley wants a word ....

Marley's dead, Jim...

[Night Hides Not]

Man you sure do use your tongue prettier than a $20 Hooker!

It's twue, it's twue...

[CSM]

should people be forced to pay to prevent deaths of the poor.

Really?  Does that even sound reasonable when you re-read it?  How much should we force people to pay in order to prevent the impossible?  People die, always have and always will.

[Smokin Joe]

Man you sure do use your tongue prettier than a $20 Hooker!

Mebbe I can get me a phony baloney job!

(I have no taste for champagne...) C'mon Wingy, sing it!

[INVAR]

Man you sure do use your tongue prettier than a $20 Hooker!

To go from Dickens to Brooks in the space of a few posts shows complete dexterity of the individual to regard the classics whether they be England's or America's.

[Wingnut]

To go from Dickens to Brooks in the space of a few posts shows complete dexterity of the individual to regard the classics whether they be England's or America's.

Dickens and Brooks.  Are they that new C&W group that plays both kinds of music...Country and Western?