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Rand Paul Unloads On RINOcare II
« on: June 23, 2017, 08:25:47 pm »
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By Susan Jones | June 23, 2017 | 9:51 AM EDT

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(CNSNews.com) – Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) says he wants the Republican health care bill to look more like a repeal bill.

“I promised people I was going to repeal it. I didn’t promise people that I was going to replace it with a federal program or bailing out insurance companies,” the senator told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” on Friday.

Paul said the Republican bill brought out in summary form Thursday retains “the fundamental flaws” of Obamacare that keep premiums high.

Paul said he would prefer to address actual medical costs. "And I can summarize the health care cost problem in one sentence,” Paul said:

    The reason  capitalism doesn’t work in health care is the consumer is disconnected from the product. Consumers do not make decisions based on price in health care except for a few exceptions.

    Lasik surgery – where you want to get surgery to get rid of glasses -- everybody asks the price. The average consumer calls four different doctors. It’s a very sophisticated laser, million dollar laser, yet the price is going down by three-quarters over 15 years.

    Contact lenses, same way. When you connect the consumer, the consumer cares about the price. Guess what, the consumer will shop, and when the consumer shops, competition works. But we’re not really doing that in health care.

    Most of health care has fixed prices -- Medicare, fixed prices; Medicaid, fixed prices; and even private insurance, no consumer shops for price. There’s a little bit of competition in what prices come forward, but not really with the consumer involved.

Paul said the fundamental flaw of Obamacare is that it allows people to buy insurance after they’re sick, and it subsidized premiums by “dumping a bunch of money in insurance companies.”

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Re: Rand Paul Unloads On RINOcare II
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2017, 09:20:40 pm »
Paul said "the fundamental flaw of Obamacare is that it allows people to buy insurance after they’re sick, and it subsidized premiums by “dumping a bunch of money in insurance companies.”

And the Obamacare-light bill will continue to give taxpayers' money to the insurance companies. Full repeal.
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2017, 09:23:22 pm »
Paul said "the fundamental flaw of Obamacare is that it allows people to buy insurance after they’re sick, and it subsidized premiums by “dumping a bunch of money in insurance companies.”

And the Obamacare-light bill will continue to give taxpayers' money to the insurance companies. Full repeal.

If I wreck my car can I then go buy some insurance on it in order to get it repaired?
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Re: Rand Paul Unloads On RINOcare II
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2017, 09:43:02 pm »
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    The reason  capitalism doesn’t work in health care is the consumer is disconnected from the product. Consumers do not make decisions based on price in health care except for a few exceptions.


THERE IT IS.

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Re: Rand Paul Unloads On RINOcare II
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2017, 09:52:49 pm »
Senator Paul's position is perfectly reasonable and the kind of approach conservatives should be making.

The bill is, indeed, flawed, and there are plenty of good reasons to oppose it. But you don't see him going out there making outrageous demands and accusing anyone who disagrees with him of being leftists/closet socialists/wolves in sheep's clothing, etc. He explains the specifics of what is wrong, why it is wrong in a way that other people will recognize that it is wrong, and what can realistically be done to fix it.
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2017, 10:26:33 pm »
The Republicans would be very foolish indeed to "fix" the abomination Obamacare. It must be fully repealed.
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2017, 10:43:42 pm »
"The reason  capitalism doesn’t work in health care is the consumer is disconnected from the product. Consumers do not make decisions based on price in health care except for a few exceptions."

Senator Paul nails it.

Thank God that SOMEONE gets it... because meanwhile, over on another thread here, "conservatives" are debating their 3 choices as being a) Obamacare, b) Obamacare-lite, aka RINO CARE, or  c) Single Payer.
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2017, 11:16:04 pm »
"The reason  capitalism doesn’t work in health care is the consumer is disconnected from the product. Consumers do not make decisions based on price in health care except for a few exceptions."

Senator Paul nails it.

Thank God that SOMEONE gets it... because meanwhile, over on another thread here, "conservatives" are debating their 3 choices as being a) Obamacare, b) Obamacare-lite, aka RINO CARE, or  c) Single Payer.
Or the ever-popular d) kick'em to the curb plan, which has a surprisingly (and appallingly) strong amount of support here.
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2017, 11:26:18 pm »
Listening to Medved today, it was pointed out that already half of our medical care is government payed actually.

The Democrats were able to foist Obamacare on us in the middle of the night, it will be difficult to overturn it but they might be able to finagle the votes for it.

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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2017, 02:49:36 am »
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“I have absolutely no sympathy for the insurance companies to be bailed out by the taxpayer. That $15 billion of profit – that’s where the risk should come from. That’s where, when we have to absorb risk when people get sick, it should come out of their profit. It shouldn’t come out of the taxpayer’s pocket.”

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2017, 03:03:47 am »
"The reason  capitalism doesn’t work in health care is the consumer is disconnected from the product. Consumers do not make decisions based on price in health care except for a few exceptions."

Senator Paul nails it.

Thank God that SOMEONE gets it... because meanwhile, over on another thread here, "conservatives" are debating their 3 choices as being a) Obamacare, b) Obamacare-lite, aka RINO CARE, or  c) Single Payer.

That same thing has been said right here onthis board many times.  And te senator is absolutely correct!

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