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Obama: 'Fundamental Meanness' at the Core of GOP Health Care Bill
Fox News, Jun 22, 2017

Former President Barack Obama took to Facebook to ask Republicans to reconsider their efforts to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, also known as ObamaCare.

"I recognize that repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act has become a core tenet of the Republican Party," Obama wrote. "Still, I hope that our senators, many of whom I know well, step back and measure what’s really at stake, and consider that the rationale for action, on health care or any other issue, must be something more than simply undoing something that Democrats did."

He argued that the Republican health care bill will raise costs, reduce coverage, roll back protections, and ruin Medicaid as we know it.

"The Senate bill, unveiled today, is not a health care bill. It’s a massive transfer of wealth from middle-class and poor families to the richest people in America," Obama argued.

He said it hands enormous tax cuts to the rich and to the drug and insurance industries, paid for by cutting health care for everybody else.

"Simply put, if there’s a chance you might get sick, get old, or start a family – this bill will do you harm," Obama said, adding there's a "fundamental meanness" at the core of the legislation.

"To put the American people through that pain – while giving billionaires and corporations a massive tax cut in return – that’s tough to fathom," Obama said. "But it’s what’s at stake right now. So it remains my fervent hope that we step back and try to deliver on what the American people need."

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/22/president-obama-gop-health-care-bill-repealing-replacing-obamacare

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Re: Obama: 'Fundamental Meanness' at the Core of GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2017, 11:18:30 pm »
Meaningful reform means kicking some people of the dole. No democrat will like any GOP version.

I wonder how many people in the households of our members here, are gaining benefits, subsidies from the plans?

I wonder if any of them are honest enough to so admit, and discuss it?
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2017, 11:20:34 pm »
The louder Obama squeals the better I like it!
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Re: Obama: 'Fundamental Meanness' at the Core of GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2017, 11:25:41 pm »
"It’s a massive transfer of wealth from middle-class and poor families to the richest people in America," Obama argued.

Okay, Bammy, how does one transfer wealth FROM poor families???
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Re: Obama: 'Fundamental Meanness' at the Core of GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2017, 11:30:04 pm »
The louder Obama squeals the better I like it!

You mistake why he is squealing.

It is not for our ears, but those of his mobs who are to be incited to act in all manners of 'resistance'.

The more he squeals about 'meanness', 'bigotry', 'unfairness' and every other depiction of efforts to roll back his Marxist Legacy - it hands his hordes the perverted moral justification to "resist" and throws fresh gasoline on top of smoldering underbrush.
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Re: Obama: 'Fundamental Meanness' at the Core of GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2017, 11:32:55 pm »
You mistake why he is squealing.

It is not for our ears, but those of his mobs who are to be incited to act in all manners of 'resistance'.

The more he squeals about 'meanness', 'bigotry', 'unfairness' and every other depiction of efforts to roll back his Marxist Legacy - it hands his hordes the perverted moral justification to "resist" and throws fresh gasoline on top of smoldering underbrush.

Indeed! And the sooner we deal with it the better!
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Re: Obama: 'Fundamental Meanness' at the Core of GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2017, 11:59:39 pm »
"It’s a massive transfer of wealth from middle-class and poor families to the richest people in America," Obama argued.

Okay, Bammy, how does one transfer wealth FROM poor families???

By partially eliminating their claim on money they have never earned, and by reducing the government's power to take money from those who have in fact earned it. 

Socialists believe that's a bad thing, because they view the primary role of government as that of eliminating the inequality of wealth, as opposed to protecting individual liberty and property.

But if you've been around here for a while, you already know this.
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Re: Obama: 'Fundamental Meanness' at the Core of GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2017, 12:04:38 am »
By partially eliminating their claim on money they have never earned, and by reducing the government's power to take money from those who have in fact earned it. 

Socialists believe that's a bad thing, because they view the primary role of government as that of eliminating the inequality of wealth, as opposed to protecting individual liberty and property.

But if you've been around here for a while, you already know this.

Of course you are correct. Bammy's statement just got to me. He is leading the resistance and will continue to spout his garbage.
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Re: Obama: 'Fundamental Meanness' at the Core of GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2017, 12:09:29 am »
Of course you are correct. Bammy's statement just got to me. He is leading the resistance and will continue to spout his garbage.

Undoubtedly. But it would be most helpful if our elected representatives in the GOP at least occasionally made a moral and intellectual case as to why socialism is immoral and wrong. One reasonably wonders if many of them actually can.
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Re: Obama: 'Fundamental Meanness' at the Core of GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2017, 01:18:15 am »
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"The Senate bill, unveiled today, is not a health care bill. It’s a massive transfer of wealth from middle-class and poor families to the richest people in America," Obama argued.

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Re: Obama: 'Fundamental Meanness' at the Core of GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2017, 01:31:14 am »
Meaningful reform means kicking some people of the dole. No democrat will like any GOP version.

I wonder how many people in the households of our members here, are gaining benefits, subsidies from the plans?

I wonder if any of them are honest enough to so admit, and discuss it?

I lost my employer based healthcare to obamacare. Just in time to end up with a bunch of medical bills. I am not very affluent so I qualify for some hefty subsidies, but because of all my new debt I cannot afford any new health insurance. I don't think I care anymore if I have insurance. They can take the whole dog and pony show and shove it.
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Re: Obama: 'Fundamental Meanness' at the Core of GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2017, 01:33:58 am »
Undoubtedly. But it would be most helpful if our elected representatives in the GOP at least occasionally made a moral and intellectual case as to why socialism is immoral and wrong. One reasonably wonders if many of them actually can.


They are in it so deep if they open their mouths to say anything all that comes out is the spew they are standing in.
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Re: Obama: 'Fundamental Meanness' at the Core of GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2017, 01:47:24 am »
I have more confidence in something resembling an actual repeal now that Obama has weighed in.

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Re: Obama: 'Fundamental Meanness' at the Core of GOP Health Care Bill
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2017, 02:43:38 am »

"I recognize that repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act has become a core tenet of the Republican Party," Obama wrote.


Sadly, most Republicans don't recognize that core tenet.