Dem: Congress will begin impeachment if Trump fires Mueller, Rosenstein

[DiogenesLamp]

That story would be relevant if the tax collectors are the ones cracking down on the speech.  Today's King runs a government large enough to hire both tax collectors and speech police.

Yes,  it was a bunch of childish nonsense that someone made up.   If you postulate a King,  then an accurate portrayal would have some executions in it.   


And the taxes will always be collected.   The idea that someone would "forget"  is more childish prattle.

[Hoodat]

That's what makes impeachment inherently a political, not a legal, matter.

The Constitution says otherwise.

[Cyber Liberty]

The Constitution says otherwise.

Haven't you noticed?  The Democrats consider the Constitution a "Bill of Negative Rights," and it's their job to find ways around it.  They will simply deem Trump guilty of High Crimes and Misdemeanors even if they have to make them up as they go along.  The Maxine Waters types have already signaled this is what they're going to do.

That makes it a political matter, even though it should be a legal matter.

[truth_seeker]

The Constitution says otherwise.

1. Don't try to argue with a lawyer, for they are trained to argue either side.

2. The Constitution says "high crimes and misdemeanors," so presumably Congress would need to demonstrate they argued it from that basis; e.g. the constitution, not merely politics.

IMO however talk of impeachment, it SOLELY to delay, and block enactment of conservative measure. A smokescreen, a distraction.

It appears the GOP establishment are letting outsider Trump, "dangle in the wind." I believe many of them feel enactment of conservative measures, will not be widely accepted by voters.

--Cutting welfare, food stamps, health coverages, federal spending in general, curtailing illegal immigration, ramping up defense spending, etc.

IOW mostly things which many Republicans also talk out of both sides, of their mouths about.

[Hoodat]

That makes it a political matter, even though it should be a legal matter.

The motivation behind impeachment may be political.  But the process itself is legal.  Which is why there is no case for obstruction of justice.

They can mention 'obstruction of justice' all they want.  But when it comes to drawing up a formal charge, they will come up empty.

[Oceander]

The Constitution says otherwise.

No, it does not. 

[DiogenesLamp]

IMO however talk of impeachment, it SOLELY to delay, and block enactment of conservative measure. A smokescreen, a distraction.

It appears the GOP establishment are letting outsider Trump, "dangle in the wind." I believe many of them feel enactment of conservative measures, will not be widely accepted by voters.

--Cutting welfare, food stamps, health coverages, federal spending in general, curtailing illegal immigration, ramping up defense spending, etc.

IOW mostly things which many Republicans also talk out of both sides, of their mouths about.

Nobody in Washington and New York wants to enact the Trump agenda.   It is the nation that wants it,  but New York and Washington D.C. have long become accustomed to getting what they want instead. 


All of this is just more effort by them to get what they want.   

Time for Trump to start playing hardball.   The first thing he needs to do is to clear out much of the entrenched bureaucracy,  especially at the State Department and "Intelligence services."   


"You're Fired!"   is how Trump needs to handle this.  Give the media something else to talk about,  and put the Fear of God into the bureaucrats who are currently interfering. 


Plus,  firing people convinces others that you are not to be trifled with. 


"Pour encourager les autres." 

[bigheadfred]

And that will make the media stop driving the agenda against him? 


That sounds like wishful thinking to me.   The media created these false accusations,  and they are not going to stop trying to impeach him no matter what he does.   


Trump needs to go to war with the media,  and especially the larger corporations that own them.   He needs to start looking at what kind of Presidential powers can be brought to bear on these corporate behemoths,  and he needs to start inflicting pain upon them.   

The message to "the media"  will trickle down in no uncertain terms.

Right.  He is already at war with the media. He has an AG, doesn't he? He has the, FCC doesn't he? He has a press secretary, doesn't he?  He doesn't help himself at all by firing off equally fraudulent, false, or misleading claims. I don't know what kind of magical "Presidential Powers" he can invoke to stop people talking crap about him, but he can sure as hell TRY to let someone else handle it. That is the presidential power he should invoke.

[Cyber Liberty]

The motivation behind impeachment may be political.  But the process itself is legal.  Which is why there is no case for obstruction of justice.

They can mention 'obstruction of justice' all they want.  But when it comes to drawing up a formal charge, they will come up empty.

Fine.  Let's hope I don't have to feed those words back in a year or two.  If you think Mueller & Company doesn't come back with some charge against somebody, you still haven't learned enough yet.

[Cyber Liberty]

Right.  He is already at war with the media. He has an AG, doesn't he? He has the, FCC doesn't he? He has a press secretary, doesn't he?  He doesn't help himself at all by firing off equally fraudulent, false, or misleading claims. I don't know what kind of magical "Presidential Powers" he can invoke to stop people talking crap about him, but he can sure as hell TRY to let someone else handle it. That is the presidential power he should invoke.

"STFU" is advice given him almost universally.  He won't until it bites him hard.  The gummint's jaws close slowly, but they close.

[DCPatriot]

What does that even mean?

Leave him alone, he's on a roll...  ^-^

[Hoodat]

2. The Constitution says "high crimes and misdemeanors," so presumably Congress would need to demonstrate they argued it from that basis; e.g. the constitution, not merely politics.

The Constitution also says "Impeachment for, and Conviction of".  "Conviction" denotes a formal criminal charge and deliberation.

It also says "The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.  .  .  .  And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.".  Again, this indicates a trial process - one based upon due process of law.  Once based upon violation of written statute.  In other words, a legal process.

The Constitution goes on to say, "the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment, and Punishmnet, according to Law. "  According to Law.  Not political fiat.  But Law.  They can't simply charge him with being someone they don't like.  They must have evidence of an actual crime and formally charge him with that crime.  And so far, there is zero evidence of this occurring.  None.  Zip.  Nada.

[DCPatriot]

It means I think he should get his shit together, let his lawyer do the talking, and stop acting like the sergeant-at-arms from the local Hell's Angels club over on 25th steret.

I disagree.   Tweeting to 50 million followers and a curious media is the perfect counter-measure to the tactics of the Left.

[Bigun]

1. Don't try to argue with a lawyer, for they are trained to argue either side.

2. The Constitution says "high crimes and misdemeanors," so presumably Congress would need to demonstrate they argued it from that basis; e.g. the constitution, not merely politics.

IMO however talk of impeachment, it SOLELY to delay, and block enactment of conservative measure. A smokescreen, a distraction.

It appears the GOP establishment are letting outsider Trump, "dangle in the wind." I believe many of them feel enactment of conservative measures, will not be widely accepted by voters.

--Cutting welfare, food stamps, health coverages, federal spending in general, curtailing illegal immigration, ramping up defense spending, etc.

IOW mostly things which many Republicans also talk out of both sides, of their mouths about.

Exactly!  As I pointed out a few pages back on this very thread.

[Hoodat]

No, it does not.

Again:

Article II, Section 4


Article I, Section 3

I will go by what the Constitution actually says instead of by what you say.

[DCPatriot]

And that will make the media stop driving the agenda against him? 


That sounds like wishful thinking to me.   The media created these false accusations,  and they are not going to stop trying to impeach him no matter what he does.   


Trump needs to go to war with the media,  and especially the larger corporations that own them.   He needs to start looking at what kind of Presidential powers can be brought to bear on these corporate behemoths,  and he needs to start inflicting pain upon them.   

The message to "the media"  will trickle down in no uncertain terms.

Meh.   Takes too long!

I'd make a stern, take-no-sh*t, 60 second announcement from the Oval Office, with a TV monitor on in the background...coincidentally showing the Baptism scene from The Goldfather.


/s   for the sarcasm-challenged.

[bigheadfred]

I disagree.   Tweeting to 50 million followers and a curious media is the perfect counter-measure to the tactics of the Left.

He should be using it as a highly effective weapon against THEM. Aim the gun at your enemy. Not your own foot. Use a little decorum, aplomb, and FOR GODS SAKE, spell check.

[DCPatriot]

He should be using it as a highly effective weapon against THEM. Aim the gun at your enemy. Not your own foot. Use a little decorum, aplomb, and FOR GODS SAKE, spell check.

Come one....he could have been bearing down on the crapper when he typed "cofefe".   Give him a break!    ^-^

[bigheadfred]

Come one....he could have been bearing down on the crapper when he typed "cofefe".   Give him a break!    ^-^

 

[Oceander]

[mystery-ak]

Come one....he could have been bearing down on the crapper when he typed "cofefe".   Give him a break!    ^-^

I was going to look to see if that was available for a domain name...lol

[Oceander]

I was going to look to see if that was available for a domain name...lol

It's already taken. 

[Emjay]

I am thinking of a story about the king who was going to send his people out to collect taxes from the farmers as their crops came in from harvest.  On the first morning of harvest, criers came through the streets, shouting insults about the king.  So the king sent his people out to track down these criers and arrest them.  By sundown, he hadn't gotten any taxes collected, but he felt good that he'd put all of those criers out of business.

On the second morning, a breeze blew a piece of parchment through his window.  He picked it up and saw that it was a poster.  His people said that they'd been posted all throughout town, making a mockery of the king! Well, he couldn't let that stand!  So he sent his people out to round them all up and stand watch over the print shops.  No taxes were collected on the second day's harvest, but he'd put an end to that mockery!

On the third day, he woke and looked out his window, and there on the castle wall was a giant painting of him looking foolish.  OH MY!  His people were sent out to paint over the graffiti, and to stand watch over the paint shops.  And that evening, the farmers went to sleep with the granaries full and not a penny collected, as the harvest was done for the year.

But at least nobody was making fun of the king...right?

I think you have the story wrong.  I read a different version.

I stand by my post about the tweets.  The only people making fun of them are the media and the leftists ... and maybe you.

[mystery-ak]

It's already taken.

darn it..I should have done it right away

[Sanguine]

And that will make the media stop driving the agenda against him? 


That sounds like wishful thinking to me.   The media created these false accusations,  and they are not going to stop trying to impeach him no matter what he does.   


Trump needs to go to war with the media,  and especially the larger corporations that own them.   He needs to start looking at what kind of Presidential powers can be brought to bear on these corporate behemoths,  and he needs to start inflicting pain upon them.   

The message to "the media"  will trickle down in no uncertain terms.

Yes, but if he is governing effectively and inspiring confidence, whatever the dems do will drive them even further down the road to irrelevance.