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The Storm Before The Storm
« on: June 08, 2017, 12:54:11 am »
The Storm Before The Storm

By ROD DREHER • June 5, 2017, 3:13 PM



Here’s a must-read piece by Jacob Siegel, reflecting on how dissatisfying he found a public debate last weekend between editors from Dissent and American Affairs. Siegel says that for the past 10 years he has been moving both right and left politically, as the center has become hollowed out. He didn’t like the debate because “the left pandered and the right was coy.”

In Siegel’s account, the two Dissent editors, Tim Shenk and Sarah Leonard, carried on as if the Left were obviously correct, had nothing to talk to the new Right about, and simply had to wait for the Left’s inevitable triumph. Siegel says that is a pretty incredible position to hold when Republicans are winning all over. And:

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“As someone who considers myself a leftist,” one audience member said during the Q&A, “I did feel sometimes a little bit uncomfortable with the only calls for building broad solidarity coming from the right.”

What the questioner was getting at I think, was Shenk and Leonard’s refusal to even acknowledge any conflict between identity politics and the formation of broad class-based coalitions. An especially notable omission given how commonly this issue comes up in intra-left debate.

At various points both Dissent editors dismissed concern over political correctness and campus radicalism as petty preoccupations of the right. This at the same moment, while “the Left turned on its own”  that videos of the Evergreen college protests were going viral. Broadcast—forget about just on cable TV—in millions of youtube clips that are played, refracted, remixed and replayed to a vast audience of Americans who are still, as Shenk rightly noted, deeply invested in the culture war.

Siegel says that the Left makes a huge mistake in minimizing this stuff. He’s correct in that. Political correctness may be extreme on certain campuses, but it will inevitably be mainstreamed by institutions run by graduates of these colleges.

A small but telling example: the announcement that the US men’s and women’s national soccer teams will be wearing pro-gay jerseys:



And notice how the Fox Sports journalist described this move:

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U.S. Soccer has dropped some spiffy new rainbow kits to raise money for a good cause, coinciding with LGBTQ Pride month in June.

What if you are a US Soccer player who is Catholic, Evangelical, Muslim, or otherwise religious, and objects morally to celebrating gay pride (even if you have no problem at all with gays and lesbians playing professional soccer)? Too bad for you. If you objected publicly by refusing to wear the jersey, you would put your career at risk. So: violate your conscience or suffer professional consequences. This is one example of how coercive political correctness moves throughout the system.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/the-storm-before-the-storm-weimar-america-liberalism/
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Re: The Storm Before The Storm
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2017, 01:54:43 am »
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What if you are a US Soccer player who is Catholic, Evangelical, Muslim, or otherwise religious, and objects morally to celebrating gay pride (even if you have no problem at all with gays and lesbians playing professional soccer)? Too bad for you. If you objected publicly by refusing to wear the jersey, you would put your career at risk. So: violate your conscience or suffer professional consequences.
Bold emphasis OWIE

This is fascism, plain and simple.

They may as well have these soccer players wear a rainbow swastika on their backs.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2017, 02:42:28 am »
For once, I would like someone to peel back the rock and tell me how 2% of the population (at most) gets such a hideously disparate influence over an entire culture, much of which objects on religious grounds to being forced to promote that 2%?

How about this. Any show which shows gratuitous homosexuality is off my TV for good. If that means I leave my TV off, I'm good with that.
Any movie with gratuitous homosexuality will not be watched if I know of it in advance, and will be walked out on if I don't.
Any sports teams or games which promote homosexuality will not be viewed in my home.

I refuse to support the acts, or the pandering to a small portion of the population which practices them, with by paying for anything which I find repugnant.

Yo! BBC! That includes YOU, too! Orphan Black and Torchwood do not get watched here. Quit mucking up Sci-Fi with that homosexual dreck because even as a solid fan of science fiction I will not watch that crap.

 
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Re: The Storm Before The Storm
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2017, 02:45:28 am »
For once, I would like someone to peel back the rock and tell me how 2% of the population (at most) gets such a hideously disparate influence over an entire culture, much of which objects on religious grounds to being forced to promote that 2%?

How about this. Any show which shows gratuitous homosexuality is off my TV for good. If that means I leave my TV off, I'm good with that.
Any movie with gratuitous homosexuality will not be watched if I know of it in advance, and will be walked out on if I don't.
Any sports teams or games which promote homosexuality will not be viewed in my home.

I refuse to support the acts, or the pandering to a small portion of the population which practices them, with by paying for anything which I find repugnant.

Yo! BBC! That includes YOU, too! Orphan Black and Torchwood do not get watched here.

It is very hard to find a TV show without gay characters. It seems like there must be a law now that you have to have gay characters. I have stopped watching several shows because of this.
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2017, 02:56:51 am »
It is very hard to find a TV show without gay characters. It seems like there must be a law now that you have to have gay characters. I have stopped watching several shows because of this.
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Sad part is that I have male friends who are just that: Brothers of a different mother, who will help or be helped at the drop of a hat like blood family. That fraternity is only injured by television and other media making things out to be sexual among guys who regard and respect each other highly. It is no accident that some of the first people thus attacked were icons of American manhood: Cowboys. It has gone downhill from there.
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Re: The Storm Before The Storm
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2017, 09:54:53 pm »
For once, I would like someone to peel back the rock and tell me how 2% of the population (at most) gets such a hideously disparate influence over an entire culture, much of which objects on religious grounds to being forced to promote that 2%?



They are generally wealthy,  connected,  and associates with the "Elite"  who run New York and Los Angeles (and therefore the Media.)   




Any movie with gratuitous homosexuality will not be watched if I know of it in advance, and will be walked out on if I don't.


 

I am a fairly avid movie goer,  and over the last year I have noticed something.    You cannot watch a movie without them introducing some "gay sh*t"  in it.     I was just telling someone today about how several movies I watched recently introduced "gay sh*t"  into their story lines. 



"Pirates of the Caribbean"?   Yup.    "Beauty and the Beast"?   Yup.   "Fist Fight"?  Yup.   "Guardians of the Galaxy"?   Yup. 


I now opine that it is not possible to see a modern movie (made in the USA anyways)   without being confronted with "gay sh*t"  in some form or fashion.   



After "Silence of the Lambs"  provoked a massive outrage from Homosexuals,   the Hollywood movie industry created a "homosexual review board"  for movie scripts.    Believe it or not there is an actual committee of homosexuals censoring movie scripts since silence of the lambs.   I forget what they actually call it,   but that is what it defacto does. 


This committee went further.   It has now gotten the movie industry to explicitly solicits scripts that portray homosexuality as a normal condition.   It now apparently promotes it in every. single. movie. 




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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2017, 04:45:16 am »
I am a fairly avid movie goer,  and over the last year I have noticed something.    You cannot watch a movie without them introducing some "gay sh*t"  in it.     I was just telling someone today about how several movies I watched recently introduced "gay sh*t"  into their story lines. 


That's been going on a long, long time. Look at feminism... From the 80's onward, you will have to look high and low for a TV series that lauds heroic men... Even cop shows... But you can find any number of 110 lb hero women who can take down a 250 pound man with a fast move on her 4" heels... All while looking fabulous.

Homosexuality is merely the emphasis now.

Which is why I am HAPPY to leave TV and movies behind. I don't need that crap at all.
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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2017, 03:49:28 pm »
That's been going on a long, long time. Look at feminism... From the 80's onward, you will have to look high and low for a TV series that lauds heroic men... Even cop shows... But you can find any number of 110 lb hero women who can take down a 250 pound man with a fast move on her 4" heels... All while looking fabulous.

Homosexuality is merely the emphasis now.

Which is why I am HAPPY to leave TV and movies behind. I don't need that crap at all.


Last year I introduced my youngest son to Star Trek the original series.   Decades ago I never really noticed all the political sub content,  but as I have been watching it with him,   It has become quite apparent that they were pushing what was for the time period  "political correctness." 


The "Next Generation"  is even worse.  It is blatantly political on several issues.   


In the Original Series,  they would at least occasionally balance it with Right leaning bits,  such as reverence to God and Patriotism.   


Homosexuality may indeed be the emphasis now,  but they are promoting other left wing ideas along with it.    My point is that homosexuality is simply never left out of a script anymore.   No matter what the movie,  they are going to introduce a "gay normalization" bit into it. 



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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2017, 03:55:34 pm »

Last year I introduced my youngest son to Star Trek the original series.   Decades ago I never really noticed all the political sub content,  but as I have been watching it with him,   It has become quite apparent that they were pushing what was for the time period  "political correctness.


The "Next Generation"  is even worse.  It is blatantly political on several issues.   

In the Original Series,  they would at least occasionally balance it with Right leaning bits,  such as reverence to God and Patriotism.   


Homosexuality may indeed be the emphasis now,  but they are promoting other left wing ideas along with it.    My point is that homosexuality is simply never left out of a script anymore.   No matter what the movie,  they are going to introduce a "gay normalization" bit into it.

Do you have any examples of that PC?  I guess I was oblivious to it since I love SciFi so much.   :shrug:

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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2017, 04:13:18 pm »
Do you have any examples of that PC?  I guess I was oblivious to it since I love SciFi so much.   :shrug:


In the original series or Next Generation?   


In the original series this is the first one that comes to mind.   It is a commentary on black/white relations in the 1960s. 











In Next Generation,  this episode stands out as pushing the politically correct boundary.   





Riker falls in love with the equivalent of a homosexual alien,  but which for the purposes of the show was made to look female so as to not offend the audiences too much.   (The Aliens were portrayed as non-gendered,  and those that felt they had a gender were considered as aberrant in the manner of a homosexual in our society.)   


It was so blatantly pro-homosexual that even these pictures come from articles  that have been written about how it was promoting homosexuality. 


http://trekcore.com/blog/2014/07/reflections-on-lgbt-themes-in-tngs-the-outcast/

http://www.gender-focus.com/2011/01/27/where-were-the-gays-on-star-trek/





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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2017, 04:32:49 pm »

In the original series or Next Generation?   


In the original series this is the first one that comes to mind.   It is a commentary on black/white relations in the 1960s. 











In Next Generation,  this episode stands out as pushing the politically correct boundary.   





Riker falls in love with the equivalent of a homosexual alien,  but which for the purposes of the show was made to look female so as to not offend the audiences too much.   (The Aliens were portrayed as non-gendered,  and those that felt they had a gender were considered as aberrant in the manner of a homosexual in our society.)   


It was so blatantly pro-homosexual that even these pictures come from articles  that have been written about how it was promoting homosexuality. 


http://trekcore.com/blog/2014/07/reflections-on-lgbt-themes-in-tngs-the-outcast/

http://www.gender-focus.com/2011/01/27/where-were-the-gays-on-star-trek/

Oh I remember that one.  Only, I saw it as more of a glaring illustration of how people WILL be divided (and at each others throats) no matter how much they have in common or how alike they are.   In that episode, the only difference between the two cultures was which side was white and which was black.  But that, alone, was enough...lol.  I saw it as a 'human nature' example, not of political correctness.

And yeah, I meant the original series.  I wasn't that much of a fan of the later versions.
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Male Transgender Sprinter Wins Two Girls State Championships — as a Freshman





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Transgender sprinter Andraya Yearwood from Cromwell High School in Cromwell, Connecticut, won the girls' 100-meter and 200-meter dashes at the Connecticut high school Class M state championships. Yearwood was born male but allowed to compete with the girls. To make matters worse, she is a freshman, so she beat girls who are as many as three years older than her. Had she competed with the boys, she would have taken last place.


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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2017, 11:41:48 pm »
Do you have any examples of that PC?  I guess I was oblivious to it since I love SciFi so much.   :shrug:
Arguably, it was PC right from the staffing of the Bridge. A Russian, an oriental (in the closet), a black female, an alien, a white guy, all working in harmony--and even a Scotsman in engineering (somewhat stereotypical, if you think about it). Interspecies conjugal relationships were implied, even if the other species were endowed with some serious humanoid characteristics.

By Then Next Generation, there was a ship's counselor who could read the intent of other beings, if not quite read their minds. Now every (even elementary) school has one, though usually following some PC recipe and without the abilities of a Betazoid, suspending first graders for improperly brandishing a pop tart. 
Not to mention an old junkie working the bar at ten forward, dispensing the wisdom of the ages, even to the captain, bolstering another television role purporting to dispense wisdom on The View.

Those are just a couple of things off the top of my head.
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2017, 03:25:56 am »
Do you have any examples of that PC?  I guess I was oblivious to it since I love SciFi so much.   :shrug:

I don't know about "political correctness" but the commentary on culture, politics, social norms, and theology was the entire series.
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2017, 04:10:07 am »
Oh I remember that one.  Only, I saw it as more of a glaring illustration of how people WILL be divided (and at each others throats) no matter how much they have in common or how alike they are.   In that episode, the only difference between the two cultures was which side was white and which was black.  But that, alone, was enough...lol.  I saw it as a 'human nature' example, not of political correctness.

And yeah, I meant the original series.  I wasn't that much of a fan of the later versions.

Me too (fan of the original series).  I can only say that people who are determined to find examples of PC will find it everywhere.  This was futuristic fantasy.  Duh. 

But, yes, there are many examples of it on TV today.  Take it or leave it.
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