Republican candidate 'body-slams' Guardian reporter in Montana

[Emjay]

@LateForLunch

Gianforte's spokesman is the one who claimed Jacobs grabbed Gianforte's wrist.  Alicia Acuna and the other two witnesses say that didn't happen.  Besides,  everyone is saying the Jacobs guy is such a pansy compared to Gianforte the alpha male, Jacobs doesn't seem like the type who would grab his wrist.  Pajama boys are pretty pacifist, aren't they?

I think it's safe to say the wrist grabbing incident didn't happen.   

Actually, no, a normal person doesn't jump someone for asking a question.  No matter how angry the question made him, a real man understands when violence is justified and when it isn't.  He doesn't behave like an out-of-control moron.

Why do you continue ... oh, never mind.

[LateForLunch]

@LateForLunch

Gianforte's spokesman is the one who claimed Jacobs grabbed Gianforte's wrist.  Alicia Acuna and the other two witnesses say that didn't happen.  Besides,  everyone is saying the Jacobs guy is such a pansy compared to Gianforte the alpha male, Jacobs doesn't seem like the type who would grab his wrist.  Pajama boys are pretty pacifist, aren't they?

I think it's safe to say the wrist grabbing incident didn't happen.   

Actually, no, a normal person doesn't jump someone for asking a question.  No matter how angry the question made him, a real man understands when violence is justified and when it isn't.  He doesn't behave like an out-of-control moron.

Well, as you pointed out, we don't really KNOW what the exact circumstances were. Also, leftists often use their harmless -looking appearance to try to cover up their bad behavior (batting their eyelashes and saying, "WHAT? Poor little ME???".

I'm gussing that you are a woman and without intending offense, I would submit that typically males are less diffident (patient) than females when being deliberately provoked.

Was it a good lesson in what to expect as a public figure? Absolutely. Did it rightfully earn him the label of moron. I doubt it.

[Smokin Joe]

Not in that thread,   but I recall,  perhaps inaccurately,  that he (and the other guy/gal) was one of the one of the many Trump haters/denigraters/dislikers around here.   

If that is not his motive,  what other reason would someone have to vote "Mickey Mouse"?

Maybe disgusted with the choices of candidates? That would be my primary motivation to do so, had it been me. Trump wasn't on the ballot.

  I suppose it could be general fatigue with the Rinos in Washington,  but I went with what I believed to be the dominant reason for most of the griping and discontent on this board. 

I'd wager that the vast majority of people on this board have been bitching aobut RINOs in Washington since Trump owned the Princess, and that has ever been a gripe from at least the Clinton Administration. Why give a johnny-come-lately all the credit for disdain the RINOs have been working decades to earn?

Because it is the dominant reason I see for all the gripes around here.   As Dr. Gregory House said:  "When you see hoof prints,  you think "Horse",  not "Zebra." 


It might be a Zebra,  but most of the time it will be a Horse. 


I went with "Horse."

Well, from this side of the fracas, I see it attributed as the primary reason for gripes around here, but that is coming from people who behave just as I noted in my post.

I didn't say Trump is the only problem, at least not on the Congressional level, because Trump isn't in Congress. He would have a hard time not signing a bill Republicans send him, and would have to justify that to Republicans, who might either applaud him standing up to a RINO POS, or get ticked off over it.

Just because the MSM is trying to make State elections out to be some sort of referendum on 4 months of Trump Administration, doesn't mean that the voters in those elections are fixated on the White House. Rather, the contest at hand.

If you thought the R was unacceptable (known axe murderer and baby raper) and the D was a typical Liberal (same qualifications), would not voting for either be a referendum on the POTUS? No.

Kindly quit projecting Trump over everything. It is a practice which only disrupts honest discussion about things which can be only tenuously tied to him, at best.

[Smokin Joe]

@LateForLunch

Gianforte's spokesman is the one who claimed Jacobs grabbed Gianforte's wrist.  Alicia Acuna and the other two witnesses say that didn't happen.  Besides,  everyone is saying the Jacobs guy is such a pansy compared to Gianforte the alpha male, Jacobs doesn't seem like the type who would grab his wrist.  Pajama boys are pretty pacifist, aren't they?

I think it's safe to say the wrist grabbing incident didn't happen.   

Actually, no, a normal person doesn't jump someone for asking a question.  No matter how angry the question made him, a real man understands when violence is justified and when it isn't.  He doesn't behave like an out-of-control moron.

Actually, pajama boys are usually either completely passive or the passive aggressive types who provoke an incident and play victim. This may well be a case of the latter. The only way to win that game is to expose it and shut it down, or just not play.
Having something, a microphone or other object shoved in your face is very annoying, but that could have been dealt with better, imho.

[Sanguine]

@LateForLunch

Gianforte's spokesman is the one who claimed Jacobs grabbed Gianforte's wrist.  Alicia Acuna and the other two witnesses say that didn't happen.  Besides,  everyone is saying the Jacobs guy is such a pansy compared to Gianforte the alpha male, Jacobs doesn't seem like the type who would grab his wrist.  Pajama boys are pretty pacifist, aren't they?

I think it's safe to say the wrist grabbing incident didn't happen.   

Actually, no, a normal person doesn't jump someone for asking a question.  No matter how angry the question made him, a real man understands when violence is justified and when it isn't.  He doesn't behave like an out-of-control moron.

She's right.

[roamer_1]

This bugs me.  You and the other guy in Montana are not thinking strategically.   (Or you just don't care about the larger picture.) 

@DiogenesLamp

I'm the other guy. There is no profit in your 'strategic thinking'. It is what has brought us to this point today.
I flatly refuse to vote for liberals or RINOs. 'Strategically' voting in such, fills the Republican party with liberals and RINOs. That isn't strategy. It is suicide.
 

Not that it mattered to the outcome,   but you threw away an opportunity to help just a teeny bit.

I DID help a teeny bit - I was one less vote in a landslide victory of yet another RINO.
And that's the very best I could do.

@montanajoe

[DiogenesLamp]

Just because the MSM is trying to make State elections out to be some sort of referendum on 4 months of Trump Administration, doesn't mean that the voters in those elections are fixated on the White House. Rather, the contest at hand.

You may not have noticed,  but countering the MSM is one of my "things"  around here.  (And anywhere else I post.)   I tend to focus on what *THEY*  are doing,  because I see them as the number one avenue for Fascism to creep upon us unawares. 


They will be the dog that didn't bark,  because they will recognize socialist fascism as their friend. 

[roamer_1]

Thank you.   I just don't understand why people would let their own personal pique stop them from helping with the larger cause.

It has nothing to do with 'personal pique'.

Your strategy is stupid.

[DiogenesLamp]

@DiogenesLamp

I'm the other guy. There is no profit in your 'strategic thinking'. It is what has brought us to this point today.
I flatly refuse to vote for liberals or RINOs. 'Strategically' voting in such, fills the Republican party with liberals and RINOs. That isn't strategy. It is suicide.

I understand this thinking quite well,  but I don't think you have thought it all the way through. 


There are two ways this thing can go,  and you can either throw your weight to the one side,  or you can throw it to the other.    Throwing it overboard does no sort of good. 


If you decide that a Republican Rino is bad,   then you should oppose him completely.   I advised anyone who would listen to vote against McConnell and Cochran (Kentucky and Mississippi)  because both of them had deliberately back stabbed conservatives.   

These two Rinos very badly needed to go,  (because a traitor is worse than an enemy)  and the Democrats needed to win in both of those races to send the correct message to the remainder of the party that going to war with conservatives would cost them their careers in politics.   


When you make up your mind that someone is the worse of the two,  vote against them.   Don't "abstain."  That's the sort of pansy behavior that ObamaHole did. 

I DID help a teeny bit - I was one less vote in a landslide victory of yet another RINO.
And that's the very best I could do.

@montanajoe

You could have been one more vote against him.   I have it on good authority that being in middle is a bad thing. 




"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."

[DiogenesLamp]

It has nothing to do with 'personal pique'.

Your strategy is stupid.

It isn't my strategy,  I got it from watching the NRA.  It is the NRA's strategy,  I just recognize how well it works. 


You play whipsaw.   You vote against the person that has most pissed you off.   The point is to send the message,  "Don't piss me off." 

[LateForLunch]

It has nothing to do with 'personal pique'.

Your strategy is stupid.

I dunno about stupid. That is overly harsh. He has actually articulated his position with some thoughtfulness. Being defensive and reacting by using angry, insulting terms suggests that you do not feel as confident in your position as you would like to and therefore you lash out. I can't think of another reason for the insulting hostile tone with Diogenes Lamp other than defensiveness.

Though I would not condemn nor exclude anyone from laying legitimate claim to being a conservative for either position, I tend to favor DL's as the more justifiable one.

So far, DJT has delivered on a lot of things that are in line with conservatism. How anyone could dismiss that as unimportant or insignificant is about the only thing close to "stupid" that I have seen on this thread.

[Smokin Joe]

You may not have noticed,  but countering the MSM is one of my "things"  around here.  (And anywhere else I post.)   I tend to focus on what *THEY*  are doing,  because I see them as the number one avenue for Fascism to creep upon us unawares. 


They will be the dog that didn't bark,  because they will recognize socialist fascism as their friend.

I'm all for countering the MSM, and that includes the meme that everyone who did not support Trump supported Hillary. That those who support anti-Liberal policies are all in the bag for Trump.
Both positions are not only logically flawed, but deprive people of the ability to make decisions on a basis of principle rather than personalities. They contribute to the 'go team go' mentality that has increasingly invaded the political arena. There are people out there who hail party affiliations and have no idea why they belong to that party. There are Republicans here on this site who have lauded "choice", as in abortion, who wave the rainbow flag, and who yet tell us they are conservative because they are Republican.

Defeat that meme and you will have done much, and I'd be happy to help.

Let's take the elections based on the Candidates, the issues based on principle, and until a particular individual crosses those principles, or performs some act pro or con in relation to those, let's leave the personalities out of it. Then we can praise them or give them Hell, whatever they have coming, and the MSM will be stuck with its monolithic meme that just won't fly. Don't let them dictate the terms of the discussion.

[Bigun]

I see that this nothing story is now up to 18 pages while several REAL stories have been almost completely ignored!

[Smokin Joe]

I dunno about stupid. That is overly harsh. He has actually articulated his position with some thoughtfulness. Being defensive and reacting by using angry, insulting terms suggests that you do not feel as confident in your position as you would like to and therefore you lash out. I can't think of another reason for the insulting hostile tone with Diogenes Lamp other than defensiveness.

Though I would not condemn nor exclude anyone from laying legitimate claim to being a conservative for either position, I tend to favor DL's as the more justifiable one.

So far, DJT has delivered on a lot of things that are in line with conservatism. How anyone could dismiss that as unimportant or insignificant is about the only thing close to "stupid" that I have seen on this thread.

Wall? Obama care repeal? EPA was reined in, but Tillerson has signed an agreement that ties us to the Paris Climate Accord and the UN. (net loss). I know things take time, but I'm still looking for progress on those seminal campaign promises, and those are just three.

Good? Yes, what DJT has been able to accomplish through EO or signing CRAs has been good. The Congress owns the failure to stop the legacy Methane Rule from the Obama Administration, specifically McCain, Graham, and Collins, and that was bad. 
We'll see how the rest shakes out, but the core promises are something that could use some work. 

[Smokin Joe]

I see that this nothing story is now up to 18 pages while several REAL stories have been almost completely ignored!

It's what we do.

BTW, You should post links to the security leak stories, so people can see them from here.

[roamer_1]

I understand this thinking quite well,  but I don't think you have thought it all the way through. 

O have thought it all the way through - It isn't complicated at all.

There are two ways this thing can go,  and you can either throw your weight to the one side,  or you can throw it to the other.    Throwing it overboard does no sort of good. 

There are at least three ways (in this case four). I chose not to participate precisely because I refuse to 'throw my weight' behind yet another RINO.

If you decide that a Republican Rino is bad,   then you should oppose him completely.

I almost did. As I have said, my intention was to vote for the libertarian, just out of spite.

These two Rinos very badly needed to go,  (because a traitor is worse than an enemy)  and the Democrats needed to win in both of those races to send the correct message to the remainder of the party that going to war with conservatives would cost them their careers in politics.   

ALL RINOS need to go. Every freakin one.

When you make up your mind that someone is the worse of the two,  vote against them.   Don't "abstain."  That's the sort of pansy behavior that ObamaHole did. 

Ahh... The lesser evil. Like I said, your thinking is what has delivered this Congress, which is stymied not by the democrats, but by RINO Republicans.

Your strategy is idiotic. I sure as hell won't be playing. I will vote for a Conservative, every time. I don't care if I am the deciding vote. I will not vote for liberalism, be it a Democrat or a Republican. never *ever* again.

"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."

It is not I that is lukewarm. It is I that is standing upon principle, with passion. And in large part, that principle is engendered by the very Author above. Torah also says not to follow the crowd, and to mean what you say.

It is your strategy that is lukewarm...

[DiogenesLamp]

Don't let them dictate the terms of the discussion.

As Leon Trotsky said:   "You may not be interested in War,  but War is interested in you." 


We are the weaker player in this game.   I would like to be in a position where we did not have to respond to the MSM,   but I don't see where we really have a choice about that.  They dominate,  and we try to respond.  If we could drive the narrative that would be different,  but that is not how I see things. 

[DiogenesLamp]

I see that this nothing story is now up to 18 pages while several REAL stories have been almost completely ignored!

Yeah,  it's great! Isn't it?

[roamer_1]

It isn't my strategy,  I got it from watching the NRA.  It is the NRA's strategy,  I just recognize how well it works. 

I don't pay no mind to the NRA either. I am all the way done with faithless bastards.

You play whipsaw.   You vote against the person that has most pissed you off.   The point is to send the message,  "Don't piss me off."

It isn't about being pissed off at all - though I am pissed off.
It has to do with this inane strategy of yours, that I am supposed to vote directly for what I don't want on the promise that it will somehow get me what I want.

That isn't strategy. It's lunatic.

Howabout I vote for what I want, on the direct promise of supporting what I want, with the direct product of always supporting what I want?

That seems the better strategy to me.

[DiogenesLamp]

It is your strategy that is lukewarm...

My strategy is lukewarm?   I said pick one or the other!   How is that "lukewarm"?   

[Bigun]

It's what we do.

BTW, You should post links to the security leak stories, so people can see them from here.

Nope!  I didn't take them to raise! 

[roamer_1]

My strategy is lukewarm?   I said pick one or the other!   How is that "lukewarm"?

Because it has nothing to do with what they stand for. If the liberal RINO is 'bad', then vote for the liberal democrat in order to get the RINO out? Either way, you just voted for Liberalism.

Howabout voting for actual Conservatives, and nothing else?

Your way votes liberals into office.
My way votes Conservatives into office.

[corbe]

Nope!  I didn't take them to raise! 

   

   That explains why were all problem childs our Dad is a deadbeat!

[DiogenesLamp]

It has to do with this inane strategy of yours, that I am supposed to vote directly for what I don't want on the promise that it will somehow get me what I want.

How do you get that from what I said?   What I said is that the election is binary,  and it will either go one way or the other.   Figure out which has the best chance of advancing what you want the most,  and vote that way. 


You want to get rid of Rinos?  Vote for the Democrat.   Your biggest fear is another Democrat in Congress?  Vote for the Republican.     


Regardless of what you do,  most of the time you are going to get one or the other.  Voting for some other candidate or "Mickey Mouse"   simply wastes everybodies time,  including your own. 

Howabout I vote for what I want, on the direct promise of supporting what I want, with the direct product of always supporting what I want?

Sounds great.   Do that.   If you can't do that,   do something. 

[sneakypete]

My opinion of news reporters is pretty low. So it isn't a question of whether they should be beaten. Only for how long and how much.

@BINGO!

The only follow-up question should be "Not that we have the SOB easy to handle,should we hang him while we are at it?"

Not a big fan of reporters,either.