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Re: Trump: I’m victim of 'single greatest witch hunt'
« Reply #125 on: May 18, 2017, 07:25:02 pm »
What.... other ways?   Please enlighten.   ^-^

I've pointed out ways before to better handle the media.  Spicer and others of the WH staff can do off the record backgrounders with certain members of the media to get their message out.

Trump needs to lay off the twitter and stop lobbing grenades at the media...period.

A night time address from the Oval Office talking straight to the people in prime time outlining (without playing the victim card) what he's trying to get done...what the roadblocks have been and what the people can do to help him.

Actually do a couple of things he promised on the campaign trail would be nice. 

There are places like the Washington Times, Fox News, Conservative Review where he and his staff can go to in order to talk around the MSM and talk directly to the people.

But first and foremost he needs to grow up and realize he's not on the Apprentice anymore ...he's The President and act like it.  He needs to stop thinking he's the smartest person in the room and listen to his staff.
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Re: Trump: I’m victim of 'single greatest witch hunt'
« Reply #126 on: May 18, 2017, 07:31:32 pm »
I've pointed out ways before to better handle the media.  Spicer and others of the WH staff can do off the record backgrounders with certain members of the media to get their message out.

Trump needs to lay off the twitter and stop lobbing grenades at the media...period.

A night time address from the Oval Office talking straight to the people in prime time outlining (without playing the victim card) what he's trying to get done...what the roadblocks have been and what the people can do to help him.

Actually do a couple of things he promised on the campaign trail would be nice. 

There are places like the Washington Times, Fox News, Conservative Review where he and his staff can go to in order to talk around the MSM and talk directly to the people.

But first and foremost he needs to grow up and realize he's not on the Apprentice anymore ...he's The President and act like it.  He needs to stop thinking he's the smartest person in the room and listen to his staff.

Agreed.

He would do himself and his Administration great service by simply refusing to engage in petty warfare with detractors and use avenues to simply persuade the people to his cause to get them on his side in supporting an action by pressuring Congress.  He has to explain and sell his ideas and efforts.

That is what Reagan did.

But Trump is no Reagan, not even a shadow.

So I do not expect he will even consider that course of action.

All Trump knows how to do is simply proclaim his ideas the best and demand fealty.
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Re: Trump: I’m victim of 'single greatest witch hunt'
« Reply #127 on: May 18, 2017, 07:31:56 pm »
In his speech to the Coast Guard yesterday, he said this:  "Look at the way I've been treated lately," he continued. "Especially by the media. No politician in history — and I say this with great surety — has been treated worse or more unfairly. He has whined, complained, all his life that he is special among all of history and is treated unfairly more than anyone in history. 
He finds fault with every single person as he actually believes no one is perfect like he is.  He believes that and that mindset guides him every single day.  He IS special in that his mind is screwed up like none other.



The President gave a long speech .... and you're either unaware or deliberately ignoring the context of the one quote that is causing your joyful convulsions.    Here is the rest of what he said using himself as an example:

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Think of the glorious mission that awaits.  You will secure our harbors, our waterways, and our borders.  You will partner with our allies to advance our security interests at home and abroad.  And you will pursue the terrorists, you will stop the drug smugglers, and you will seek to keep out all who would do harm to our country -- all who can never, ever love our country. Together, we have the same mission, and your devotion and dedication makes me truly proud to be your Commander-in-Chief.  (Applause.)  Thank you.

Now, I want to take this opportunity to give you some advice.  Over the course of your life, you will find that things are not always fair.  You will find that things happen to you that you do not deserve and that are not always warranted.  But you have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight.  Never, ever, ever give up.  Things will work out just fine. 

Look at the way I’ve been treated lately -- (laughter) -- especially by the media.  No politician in history -- and I say this with great surety -- has been treated worse or more unfairly.  You can’t let them get you down.  You can’t let the critics and the naysayers get in the way of your dreams.  (Applause.)  I guess that’s why I -- thank you.  I guess that’s why we won. 

Adversity makes you stronger.  Don’t give in.  Don’t back down.  And never stop doing what you know is right.  Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy.  And the more righteous your right, the more opposition you will face. 


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Re: Trump: I’m victim of 'single greatest witch hunt'
« Reply #128 on: May 18, 2017, 07:32:32 pm »
fixed it for you!

Awesome...thanks!

I see a bumper sticker in there...  :silly:
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« Reply #129 on: May 18, 2017, 07:36:46 pm »

"The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally - not a 20 percent traitor.
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Trump is more on the 20% side than the 80% side.

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Re: Trump: I’m victim of 'single greatest witch hunt'
« Reply #130 on: May 18, 2017, 07:37:49 pm »
Trump is more on the 20% side than the 80% side.

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Re: Trump: I’m victim of 'single greatest witch hunt'
« Reply #131 on: May 18, 2017, 07:38:18 pm »


The President gave a long speech .... and you're either unaware or deliberately ignoring the context of the one quote that is causing your joyful convulsions.    Here is the rest of what he said using himself as an example:

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No one's lying the quote wasn't taken out of context.

But thanks for providing the whole thing...having someone who hangs on his every word is useful in times like this.

The expanded quote just shows even more how no matter where he's at and who he is speaking to...like Barry he has the attitude of "It's all about me".

Oh and he needs to take his own advice about adversity making one stronger.  That bit of advice seems to ring hollow given the fact he's turned around and whinged about being the victim of a witch hunt and complaining endlessly about how unfairly he's being treated.
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Re: Trump: I’m victim of 'single greatest witch hunt'
« Reply #132 on: May 18, 2017, 07:38:54 pm »


The President gave a long speech .... and you're either unaware or deliberately ignoring the context of the one quote that is causing your joyful convulsions.    Here is the rest of what he said using himself as an example:

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That doesn't support the narrative of Trump being a whiner @Right_in_Virginia . You are a thread killer.   :nono:

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Re: Trump: I’m victim of 'single greatest witch hunt'
« Reply #133 on: May 18, 2017, 07:40:00 pm »
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Think of the glorious mission that awaits.  You will secure our harbors, our waterways, and our borders.

I have a "glorious mission" for someone near Trump, though it might need to be assigned to the "Impossible Missions Force" (Cinnamon (Barbara Bain) was always my favorite): to secure Trump's twitter account, from POTUS.

Has it been useful to moving Trump's/the Nation's agenda along?
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Re: Trump: I’m victim of 'single greatest witch hunt'
« Reply #134 on: May 18, 2017, 07:40:40 pm »
Trump is more on the 20% side than the 80% side.

Doesn't that depend on what day it is?
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« Reply #135 on: May 18, 2017, 07:43:51 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia . You are a thread killer.   :nono:

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Personally I never killed a thread that did not need killing.....  but riv seems to take a random approach to it!  :silly:

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« Reply #136 on: May 18, 2017, 07:44:45 pm »
The President gave a long speech .... and you're either unaware or deliberately ignoring the context of the one quote that is causing your joyful convulsions.    Here is the rest of what he said using himself as an example:

It still does not assuage the perception he created.

A Statesman would have said something along the lines of:

"You will find that things happen to you that you do not deserve and that are not always warranted.  But you have to put your head down and fight, fight, fight.  Never, ever, ever give up.  Things will work out just fine.

"I mean, just take a look at how much respect my Administration has been afforded by the mainstream media right now.  Adversity makes you stronger.  Don’t give in.  Don’t back down. ..."


Instead he made it about himself and once again lauded his 'win'.

Notwithstanding his Tweet about being a victim of "the single greatest witch hunt of a politician in American history!”

No ma'am.  Admitting he is a victim is whining.  His speech yesterday that included a shade of his tweet does not impress.   I do not care how anyone wants to spin it.
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Re: Trump: I’m victim of 'single greatest witch hunt'
« Reply #137 on: May 18, 2017, 07:48:31 pm »
No one's lying the quote wasn't taken out of context.


Of course you took it out of context @txradioguy .... as you do everything that's reported.  It's the only way you can keep your hate alive.  :shrug:

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« Reply #138 on: May 18, 2017, 07:50:10 pm »
Of course you took it out of context @txradioguy .... as you do everything that's reported.  It's the only way you can keep your hate alive.  :shrug:

Do you even know what "out of context" means?

Go look up the term...then get back to me and show me where it was taken out of context.
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Re: Trump: I’m victim of 'single greatest witch hunt'
« Reply #139 on: May 18, 2017, 07:53:42 pm »
It still does not assuage the perception he created.


Please, spare us your upcoming dissertation on how it is immoral and unbiblical to "fight, fight, fight and never, ever, ever give up".


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Re: Trump: I’m victim of 'single greatest witch hunt'
« Reply #140 on: May 18, 2017, 07:55:49 pm »
This was going to happen regardless of whomever in the GOP won the election.  We have devolved into a Socialist Democracy with the help of presidents, the Courts and Congress.  The majority of the population has no use or want of a limited government - and the GOP has demonstrated they have no intention of limiting it either - only expanding it. This crossroads was going to come because the GOP has placated the Left time and again.  2000 was just the first foreshadowing of what we have arrived at.  The Left thinks they own the right to rule, and the GOP has accommodated that belief by acquiescing to it.

That does not impel me to abandon my judgment regarding Trump or his mobs of supporters that want payback.

I'm somewhat ambivalent to Trump, though less so than I was Obama. I know what Trump is, and I do not expect any service to foundational principles that undergird Conservatism unless it happens by accident. The difference is I do not see Trump as hostile in intention to my liberties as it was under Obama.   However, I spend most of my time shaking my head in incredulity as the sheer stupidity and petulance being displayed via his uncontrollable thumbs.

My assertive issues are largely centered over the reaction to any criticism of Trump by his faithful, because that cuts into my liberty should some of them get their way.  Shaming or attempting to silence criticism via accusations of treason deserves the level of push back being devoted, and it makes those engaged in such efforts no different than those they claim to oppose.  The allegory of noting the similarities of Communists versus Brownshirts back in the Weimar days is not without merit.

That said, Trump is his own worst enemy and he does himself absolutely no favors, and I have no faith that Trump is going to right this ship - because it is not in his character to do so.

I will enjoy being surprised if it does happen.  And I will admit in advance that it will happen without any assistance from me.

For all of George W. Bush's virtues as a leader, I think he erred greatly in not fighting against the media narrative - and Karl Rove admits this. Trump, for all his faults, is willing to fight the media narrative. Given that the media and the Democrats are carrying out a slow-motion putsch... I'll stick by him.

No, it's not about conservative or liberal. It's now about something bigger than conservatism - it is about the Constitution. Do we still have one, or is it a dead letter when it gets in the way of the "progressive" Left's desires?

Since November 9, the Left has been trying to overturn the results of the election. That must not succeed if we are to have a country left. There is a time and place to debate the wisdom of standing by Trump or nominating him. That will be the 2024 Presidential primaries.

But I'd like those 2024 primaries to be in a country still run by the Constitution, NOT the whims of Tom Perez or the Berkeley Brownshirts and the New York Times editorial board.

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« Reply #141 on: May 18, 2017, 08:01:05 pm »
That doesn't support the narrative of Trump being a whiner @Right_in_Virginia . You are a thread killer.   :nono:

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« Reply #142 on: May 18, 2017, 08:04:58 pm »
Please, spare us your upcoming dissertation on how it is immoral and unbiblical to "fight, fight, fight and never, ever, ever give up".

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Oh no, I'm not one of those.

I'm all about fighting.

Especially for those things that the Trump faithful have been declared to be foolish, silly, stupid, wrong, intolerant, selfish, unwinnable, archaic, wrongheaded, theocratic and dumb as they pertain to foundational principles and biblical morality that apparently a lot of Trump's followers online have no use for.

But as for Trump here - well, he isn't fighting.

He was whining, given the narrative that Trump himself established yesterday beginning with his tweet about his being a victim of a witch hunt and yesterday's commencement address.
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« Reply #143 on: May 18, 2017, 08:07:29 pm »
For all of George W. Bush's virtues as a leader, I think he erred greatly in not fighting against the media narrative - and Karl Rove admits this. Trump, for all his faults, is willing to fight the media narrative. Given that the media and the Democrats are carrying out a slow-motion putsch... I'll stick by him.

No, it's not about conservative or liberal. It's now about something bigger than conservatism - it is about the Constitution. Do we still have one, or is it a dead letter when it gets in the way of the "progressive" Left's desires?

Since November 9, the Left has been trying to overturn the results of the election. That must not succeed if we are to have a country left. There is a time and place to debate the wisdom of standing by Trump or nominating him. That will be the 2024 Presidential primaries.

But I'd like those 2024 primaries to be in a country still run by the Constitution, NOT the whims of Tom Perez or the Berkeley Brownshirts and the New York Times editorial board.

Fully realizing who Trump is since before the primaries and having (for the first time in my life) given a significant amount of money to a campaign, Ted Cruz's, personally I will never lift a finger or utter a single word here or anywhere else if I thought it would encourage, support or otherwise help the establishment, Deep State or whatever you want to call it, overthrow the results of the past election.

My contempt for it far far surpasses anything animosity I have for Donald Trump. Trump may be a self obsessed buffoon or whatever, but he's not trying to enslave me, or dead set on policies that endanger my safety nor the well being of me and my family.

But its clear others don't have as strong a sense of contempt for the ruling elite as some of us do.

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« Reply #144 on: May 18, 2017, 08:13:51 pm »
Is he wrong? I've never seen anything like it. It's a full-fledged sabotage from the DNC, the MSM, and most disgustingly, traitorous RINOs.
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« Reply #145 on: May 18, 2017, 08:20:46 pm »
For all of George W. Bush's virtues as a leader, I think he erred greatly in not fighting against the media narrative - and Karl Rove admits this. Trump, for all his faults, is willing to fight the media narrative. Given that the media and the Democrats are carrying out a slow-motion putsch... I'll stick by him.

I have no problem fighting the media - most of us do it on nearly a full time basis on forums and social media.  But Trump is supposed to be The Statesman of the country - and petty alleyway brawls is not becoming of a leader who is supposed to lead and steer a nation's virtue and appearance before the world.

No, it's not about conservative or liberal. It's now about something bigger than conservatism - it is about the Constitution. Do we still have one, or is it a dead letter when it gets in the way of the "progressive" Left's desires?

Ask the GOP that question.  They are just as complicit.  They certainly pay it lip service while doing nothing to preserve, defend and protect it from what the Left has done to it.  Considering their own desire to grow government, I do not think they have anymore loyalty to limited government as prescribed than the Left does.


Since November 9, the Left has been trying to overturn the results of the election. That must not succeed if we are to have a country left. There is a time and place to debate the wisdom of standing by Trump or nominating him. That will be the 2024 Presidential primaries.

No, no no, no.  I never bought the lie that we had to vote for Trump if we were to have a country left.  I do not buy the lie that we must stand behind Trump if we are to have a country left.  I do not buy the lie that we must wait until 2024 before debating or rendering judgment on the fruits of whether or not Trump has served in the interests of liberty and the Constitution.

That is a dangerous trap I will not walk into.

Salvation for the country does not rest in fealty to a man or a party.

We are either governed by foundational principles in the fear of The Lord, or we will be ruled by the tyranny of men.
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« Reply #146 on: May 18, 2017, 08:22:33 pm »
Is he wrong? I've never seen anything like it. It's a full-fledged sabotage from the DNC, the MSM, and most disgustingly, traitorous RINOs.

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« Reply #147 on: May 18, 2017, 08:28:32 pm »
Is he wrong? I've never seen anything like it. It's a full-fledged sabotage from the DNC, the MSM, and most disgustingly, traitorous RINOs.

No he's not. Maybe could have said it better, then again the media sounds like may have taken it out of context. But the kernel of truth is there.

I didn't vote for Trump and am not his biggest fan, but if he's sticking the knife in the liberals eye at any time, I'm going to cheer him on unless it's a genuinely bad tactical move to do so.
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« Reply #148 on: May 18, 2017, 08:30:00 pm »

No, it's not about conservative or liberal. It's now about something bigger than conservatism - it is about the Constitution. Do we still have one, or is it a dead letter when it gets in the way of the "progressive" Left's desires?

Since November 9, the Left has been trying to overturn the results of the election. That must not succeed if we are to have a country left. There is a time and place to debate the wisdom of standing by Trump or nominating him. That will be the 2024 Presidential primaries.

But I'd like those 2024 primaries to be in a country still run by the Constitution, NOT the whims of Tom Perez or the Berkeley Brownshirts and the New York Times editorial board.

My sentiments exactly.   Trump's not the issue -  the foundation upon which our Republic rests is at stake.   For over 200 years, we have seen a peaceful transition of power girded by respect for the will of the people as expressed in free and fair elections.    There's plenty to criticize about Donald Trump - but his enemies are the enemies of the nation.   
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« Reply #149 on: May 18, 2017, 08:33:06 pm »
For all of George W. Bush's virtues as a leader, I think he erred greatly in not fighting against the media narrative - and Karl Rove admits this. Trump, for all his faults, is willing to fight the media narrative.

By whining like a sissy.

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No, it's not about conservative or liberal. It's now about something bigger than conservatism - it is about the Constitution. Do we still have one, or is it a dead letter when it gets in the way of the "progressive" Left's desires?

That's where many fervent Trumpists agree with the left, actually. They want Trump as dictator.


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Since November 9, the Left has been trying to overturn the results of the election.

Whatever, they can't. It's time and energy wasted. Let them waste it. Trump is the only thing that can bring down Trump.

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There is a time and place to debate the wisdom of standing by Trump or nominating him. That will be the 2024 Presidential primaries.

No, it's not. First off, there is 2018, 2020, 2022. Second, we can debate it every time Trump does and says really idiotic things, hourly.

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But I'd like those 2024 primaries to be in a country still run by the Constitution, NOT the whims of Tom Perez or the Berkeley Brownshirts and the New York Times editorial board.

The media doesn't run the country. I guess it's a convenient hate target for the Trumpers, though.

All I know is that I have never and will never respect the perv and I will never support him.