When Will Republicans Dump Trump?

[txradioguy]

So to celebrate the second amendment being intact, you applaud a call to take the first amendment out back and shoot it.

Smooth.

That's how Trumpism works.  C'mon get with the program.

[Cripplecreek]

No it's not.

It's prepping the ground for our unique version of Robespierre's Terror.

I'm afraid that comment is probably wasted among most here and a few likely think its a great idea.

[txradioguy]

I'm afraid that comment is probably wasted among most here and a few likely think its a great idea.

I agree.

[EC]

I'll "dump Trump" when he's given me reason to dump him by my standards, not by the comically-unfair standards of #NeverTrump.

Works for me. That's your right. 

Welcome in, BTW.

[mystery-ak]

WTF....Let the new member settle in before you start attacking him...show him we have manners here!

[corbe]

   With FR down our resident Trumpsters are getting added reinforcements and I am glad, they needed some fresh blood.  Welcome to all you newbies.

[mystery-ak]

Right, but calling for violence against reporters is just fine and dandy with you?

No....why say that you know it's not true....I have privately asked for that to be edited...if it is not I will do it!

[beandog]

I'll "dump Trump" when he's given me reason to dump him by my standards, not by the comically-unfair standards of #NeverTrump.

[INVAR]

No....why say that you know it's not true....I have privately asked for that to be edited...if it is not I will do it!

I agree with your stated position and I would suggest you leave the comment as it was written unless the author himself chooses to edit it.

He was not using profanity against a member.  He was advocating an act we may be horrified with the implications of - but he has every right to opine on it, and we retain every right to point out what kind of mindset that comes from.

[Smokin Joe]

I'll "dump Trump" when he's given me reason to dump him by my standards, not by the comically-unfair standards of #NeverTrump.

What comically unfair standards are those? Better yet, what are yours? Just curious where you're coming from. The IFF isn't working.

[Smokin Joe]

I'm afraid that comment is probably wasted among most here and a few likely think its a great idea.

@INVAR @Cripplecreek Not only not wasted, but what I have been predicting, too. Less like 1776, more like "the Terror". About all folks learn from history is that folks don't generally learn from history...

[Cyber Liberty]

@INVAR @Cripplecreek Not only not wasted, but what I have been predicting, too. Less like 1776, more like "the Terror". About all folks learn from history is that folks don't generally learn from history...

Meanwhile, people who DO get History are doomed to be sucked down with the fools.  People really DO seem to think Robespierre is a good idea.

[Smokin Joe]

Meanwhile, people who DO get History are doomed to be sucked down with the fools.  People really DO seem to think Robespierre is a good idea.

Angry people do stupid things.
They were angry and looking for someone to blame.
They're still angry, and looking for someone (else) to blame.
It is what happens when people will not own, dissect, and learn from their own failures.

Robespierre may have even thought it was a good idea, until he was looking into the basket.
Plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose...

[Cripplecreek]

I agree with your stated position and I would suggest you leave the comment as it was written unless the author himself chooses to edit it.

He was not using profanity against a member.  He was advocating an act we may be horrified with the implications of - but he has every right to opine on it, and we retain every right to point out what kind of mindset that comes from.

Part of the problem is that it quickly becomes worse. When such comments began to be allowed at TOS it wasn't long before a comment that "Trump's wall needs to be long enough for his blindfolded enemies to stand with their backs to it"  went unchallenged and soon similar comments were being made with glee.

I remember a time when I got a time out from TOS for quoting the line from "Full metal jacket" about shooting women and children in a thread about video games and movies. It bothered me at first but I came to realize that it reflected poorly on the site and its other users so I didn't worry about it and took more care.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Part of the problem is that it quickly becomes worse. When such comments began to be allowed at TOS it wasn't long before a comment that "Trump's wall needs to be long enough for his blindfolded enemies to stand with their backs to it"  went unchallenged and soon similar comments were being made with glee.

I remember a time when I got a time out from TOS for quoting the line from "Full metal jacket" about shooting women and children in a thread about video games and movies. It bothered me at first but I came to realize that it reflected poorly on the site and its other users so I didn't worry about it and took more care.

This quote was about emulating jihadists though... that's crazy town IMO. Killing women, children, beheading, etc. etc.

I guess people are ok with that kind of talk at this site?

[libertybele]

Good grief ... I was applauding Cankles not being president and our 2nd amendment being in tact.

For the record ... I in no way agree with violence nor any attack on any of our rights under the Constitution (I captured the whole quote ... and yes, that is my fault).  I do think falsely reporting 'news' especially against someone should be considered slander and they should be liable and held accountable.

[Cyber Liberty]

Angry people do stupid things.
They were angry and looking for someone to blame.
They're still angry, and looking for someone (else) to blame.
It is what happens when people will not own, dissect, and learn from their own failures.

Robespierre may have even thought it was a good idea, until he was looking into the basket.
Plus ca change plus c'est la meme chose...

He thought it was a GREAT idea until then.  I'm sure he was shocked when they came for him.  People like that are really hot on knocking off everybody else, in his case he thought wasting half the population of France was a necessary tactic.

[LetsTalk]

What comically unfair standards are those? Better yet, what are yours? Just curious where you're coming from. The IFF isn't working.

Well, we could start by not intentionally interpreting everything he says in the most negative way possible to make him look as bad as possible.

For example, his comments on the Civil War were completely reasonable. He detailed the long lead-up to the war, including Andrew Jackson's role, and asked a profound philosophical question about why it was America had to resort to such a level of infighting.

How did the media and #NeverTrumps interpret this? As Donald Trump being ignorant on the subject. They took his question on why was there a Civil War, and framed it as Trump not knowing the root causes behind the war, rather than the rhetorical, philosophical question it clearly was.

The media has flipped the principle of charity on its head with Trump. A good start to being fair would be, you know, not doing that.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

He thought it was a GREAT idea until then.  I'm sure he was shocked when they came for him.  People like that are really hot on knocking off everybody else, in his case he thought wasting half the population of France was a necessary tactic.

To me Robespierre type stuff is the end-game for populism. Always has been, always will be. It's just the natural way it progresses.

[Cyber Liberty]

To me Robespierre type stuff is the end-game for populism. Always has been, always will be. It's just the natural way it progresses.

That's why we must never forget the lessons that particular Frenchman taught us.  Going around calling for everybody's head always ends up with the caller losing his head.  Unfortunately, the killing doesn't end there, but goes on for a while after until somebody realizes it's a bad idea.

[Cripplecreek]

He thought it was a GREAT idea until then.  I'm sure he was shocked when they came for him.  People like that are really hot on knocking off everybody else, in his case he thought wasting half the population of France was a necessary tactic.

The night of the long knives was Hitler largely targeting his own. Its pretty standard for dictatorial people to target those who help them attain power because they recognize them as threats to holding power.

Castro rounded up, imprisoned and executed hundreds of "The Bearded ones" who helped him win his revolution. Its why Che Guevera fled from Cuba never to return and was eventually hunted down in South America.

[EC]

That's why we must never forget the lessons that particular Frenchman taught us.  Going around calling for everybody's head always ends up with the caller losing his head.  Unfortunately, the killing doesn't end there, but goes on for a while after until somebody realizes it's a bad idea.

"The problem with revolutions is you eventually run out of other peoples heads." - H/T Maggie. 

[Silver Pines]

Looks to me like a call for horrible violence (beheadings, etc.). Your choice. 

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

The keyboard warriors who call for violence---like this, and another post yesterday advocating punching journalists in the mouth---will never do anything but call for it. They'll hope someone else takes action so they can watch from their couches.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

The keyboard warriors who call for violence---like this, and another post yesterday advocating punching journalists in the mouth---will never do anything but call for it. They'll hope someone else takes action so they can watch from their couches.

Yep. It's nothing but cowardice, frankly.

[Silver Pines]

Well, we could start by not intentionally interpreting everything he says in the most negative way possible to make him look as bad as possible.

For example, his comments on the Civil War were completely reasonable. He detailed the long lead-up to the war, including Andrew Jackson's role, and asked a profound philosophical question about why it was America had to resort to such a level of infighting.

How did the media and #NeverTrumps interpret this? As Donald Trump being ignorant on the subject. They took his question on why was there a Civil War, and framed it as Trump not knowing the root causes behind the war, rather than the rhetorical, philosophical question it clearly was.

The media has flipped the principle of charity on its head with Trump. A good start to being fair would be, you know, not doing that.

@LetsTalk

If we have a president who puts his foot in his mouth so often that everything he says has to be "interpreted", we're in trouble. 

If your plan is constant excusing and justification, have fun with it.