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New Jersey governor refuses to ban child marriage because 'it would conflict with religious customs'

'An exclusion without exceptions would violate the cultures and traditions of some communities'

    Andrew Buncombe New York
 

A high profile Republican governor has declined to sign into law, a measure that would have made his state the first to ban child marriage without exception.

Chris Christie, the governor of New Jersey and someone who has been a staunch supporter of Donald Trump, said such a ban would conflict with religious customs. He did not specify what religions he was referring to.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-jersey-chris-christie-child-marriage-ban-fails-religious-custom-a7735616.html
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Christie did this for one reason only, to placate mooslims so they could marry little girls.  If some "religion" believed in child sacrifice, would he allow it so it wouldn't conflict with their religion?  Absolutely not, though we come close in this country with abortion.  It won't be long and we will have post birth abortion so people can get rid of babies they don't like.  Liberals/progressives are already talking about it in some areas.

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I wonder what Ann Coulter thinks of him now? ****slapping

I went to a speech she gave here in Grand Rapids, Mi. at the time she was high on Christie.  I think she may have soured on him long before this, however.

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Christie did this for one reason only, to placate mooslims so they could marry little girls.  If some "religion" believed in child sacrifice, would he allow it so it wouldn't conflict with their religion?  Absolutely not, though we come close in this country with abortion.  It won't be long and we will have post birth abortion so people can get rid of babies they don't like.  Liberals/progressives are already talking about it in some areas.
I'm really curious who will be next.

Polygamists are pretty far up there, considering who this placates.

Then there are the bestiality folks,

And for that matter, all the pederasts out there, married or not.

Will slavery make a comeback, starting with children?

How about Female genital mutilation and "honor killings"?

How can the State approve a contractual (state licensed) arrangement--of any kind--much less a "marriage",  in which one of the parties is a minor? At some point even parental consent isn't considered viable.
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I'm really curious who will be next.

Polygamists are pretty far up there, considering who this placates.

Then there are the bestiality folks,

And for that matter, all the pederasts out there, married or not.

Will slavery make a comeback, starting with children?

How about Female genital mutilation and "honor killings"?
All part of a particular religious custom, and we wouldn't want to offend, would we? Will the state dare be consistent with this stupid new approach to "acceptable" perversion?

 I bet NJ bans people from handling snakes, though, as part of their religious customs.
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Is this satire?  Or just fake news.  You really, really can't tell any more.   :shrug:
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It's really interesting how social mores change.

Not much more than a hundred years ago, many states had age of consent laws down to 8 years old, and Roman Catholic Canon Law allowed marriage to age 7.

A while ago, conservatives would have been glad to have a pregnant teen marry her boyfriend.

Now, TBR wants to be sure the child is born a bastard.

Pretty amazing how times change!
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It's really interesting how social mores change.

Not much more than a hundred years ago, many states had age of consent laws down to 8 years old, and Roman Catholic Canon Law allowed marriage to age 7.

A while ago, conservatives would have been glad to have a pregnant teen marry her boyfriend.

Now, TBR wants to be sure the child is born a bastard.

Pretty amazing how times change!
They youngest ages of consent I know of in the US were 14 and 16 for the girl and boy, respectively, and those were about 140 years old. Of course, a lot of 16 year old "boys" were men with their own farms then. My grandmother married at 16, but that was nearly a century ago, in a different age.

However, I would have to see some pretty convincing sources to believe the single digit ages you claim.
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They youngest ages of consent I know of in the US were 14 and 16 for the girl and boy, respectively, and those were about 140 years old. Of course, a lot of 16 year old "boys" were men with their own farms then. My grandmother married at 16, but that was nearly a century ago, in a different age.

However, I would have to see some pretty convincing sources to believe the single digit ages you claim.

I can't pull it up now -- gotta get to a meeting -- but NYT in late 19th Century.  Many were 10...Delaware was the lowest, at 7 (even lower than the 8 I cited).  This might have the info... http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230?section=primarysources&source=24

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I can't pull it up now -- gotta get to a meeting -- but NYT in late 19th Century.  Many were 10...Delaware was the lowest, at 7 (even lower than the 8 I cited).  This might have the info... http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230?section=primarysources&source=24
According to that source, in 1880 (roughly 140 years ago, and as such things were first being established) the youngest was 7 in only one State: Delaware, as you cited. That was the only one in single digits. By 1920, roughly 100 years back, the youngest was 14 in Georgia, all others at 16. For the last hundred years (well, 97 to be sure), the age of consent has been considered to be 16 or older with that one exception.
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Sometimes I forget that Delaware is a state.

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Sometimes I forget that Delaware is a state.
Biden had to come from somewhere....But so did Ceaser Romney.

We always used the rule of thumb. "Fifteen'll get you twenty..." when we were younger.
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Biden had to come from somewhere....But so did Ceaser Romney.

We always used the rule of thumb. "Fifteen'll get you twenty..." when we were younger.

"Biden had to come from somewhere...."  I'm going to have to think about that.

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"Biden had to come from somewhere...."  I'm going to have to think about that.
It was only the first one that landed at Grover's Mills, New Jersey.... :pondering:
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Christie did this for one reason only, to placate mooslims so they could marry little girls.  If some "religion" believed in child sacrifice, would he allow it so it wouldn't conflict with their religion?  Absolutely not, though we come close in this country with abortion.  It won't be long and we will have post birth abortion so people can get rid of babies they don't like.  Liberals/progressives are already talking about it in some areas.

Pandering politicians are the reason its not hateful to oppose more muslim immigration.

They will change this country, not the other way around.

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They youngest ages of consent I know of in the US were 14 and 16 for the girl and boy, respectively, and those were about 140 years old. Of course, a lot of 16 year old "boys" were men with their own farms then. My grandmother married at 16, but that was nearly a century ago, in a different age.


At present I would keep age of consent laws as is and mostly because we don't allow children to absorb the rights/responsibilities of adulthood at a young age. Then, at the age of 18, we expect them to be insta-adult. This, IMO, is because everything revolves around public school.

We need to rethink this. Call it nature or God's will or what have you, puberty happens. From, perhaps, the age of 14 the no-longer-children should be on a school-work track that accommodates their their new status and allows them to be adult. Adult in sexual attitudes, too. Responsible.

BTW, I'm not advocating teen sex and certainly not sex with older people. That's where the responsible part of the rights-responsibilities equation comes in.


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Sometimes I forget that Delaware is a state.

Because in Texas it would be called a county.
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Now we don't want to offend certain religions and cultures by banning child-pedophile marriage, but Christians you better bake that f'n cake and allow anyone to use any bathroom they want!
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I'm really curious who will be next.

Polygamists are pretty far up there, considering who this placates.

Then there are the bestiality folks,

And for that matter, all the pederasts out there, married or not.

Will slavery make a comeback, starting with children?

How about Female genital mutilation and "honor killings"?

How can the State approve a contractual (state licensed) arrangement--of any kind--much less a "marriage",  in which one of the parties is a minor? At some point even parental consent isn't considered viable.

JH will be here shortly to set us all straight I'm sure.
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And so the usual idiocy from those who can't be bothered to read the article.


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At present I would keep age of consent laws as is and mostly because we don't allow children to absorb the rights/responsibilities of adulthood at a young age. Then, at the age of 18, we expect them to be insta-adult. This, IMO, is because everything revolves around public school.

We need to rethink this. Call it nature or God's will or what have you, puberty happens. From, perhaps, the age of 14 the no-longer-children should be on a school-work track that accommodates their their new status and allows them to be adult. Adult in sexual attitudes, too. Responsible.

BTW, I'm not advocating teen sex and certainly not sex with older people. That's where the responsible part of the rights-responsibilities equation comes in.
When/where I grew up, "kids" did farm work from the time they could. I first drove a tractor at 5, although it was just a little one compared to the tractors out this way. 

Here at 14 farm kids are shuffling semis and large three axle trucks around grain farms, and can get a license for the smaller vehicles. Tractors and and a setup to plant can cost a million dollars, and some "kid" will be out there making it go. I think that affects the rules, considerably.

Biologically, perhaps with the amount of soy in our diets in the last 30 years and the estrogenic effects of that, it seems young ladies are developing faster, than their counterparts in my generation--an observation I am far from the only one to make. With the amount of sexual material commonplace in media, those ages might have to be rethought, as biology will not comply with rules except under the most strict circumstances or moral upbringings.

Then, too, with the amount of 'snowflake' nonsense going on in universities, I have counseled my grandchildren to get a trade. Unfortunately, shop programs and technical education seem to be the first things cut from public school systems when they used to be a requirement for graduation (or home ec). Especially with the highly technical nature of emissions, ignition, and other onboard computerized systems in vehicles, construction equipment, and even farm implements nowadays, there is ample opportunity for employment for the capable technician, and electricians, plumbers, and carpenters will always be needed.

Unfortunately, child labor laws prevent them from doing anything like the sort of work I did on construction sites at 14, and because of that, many are stuck in what jobs they can find, usually completely unskilled light labor with little opportunity to use the sorts of tools or do the sort of jobs that will help them later.
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