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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #50 on: May 08, 2017, 11:52:49 am »
@Right_in_Virginia doesn't want an actual repeal. Ever. She's made that clear. She loves this bill and Ryan and Trump and everything they stand for.

Oh  :bs: @bolobaby    Again you prove you know nothing and merely spew empty words out of your lower orifice.   I understand what's happening, how it is happening and why it is happening.  You could, too, .... but that would require you to lift your gaze from your navel.  I wish you luck with that.


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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #51 on: May 08, 2017, 12:21:06 pm »
I can't wait to see what these bums in the Senate come up with.  I can almost guarantee it will be as bad, if not worse, than the crappy legislation the House produced. 

Bottom line is that, except for maybe a few, most of our representatives don't really want to get rid of Obanacare.  In fact, they would rather it morph into full-on government-run socialized medicine -- you know, where some bureaucrat decides whether you live or die.   The power over life and death is just too intoxicating and it's one they savor.

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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2017, 01:41:39 pm »
Oh  :bs: @bolobaby    Again you prove you know nothing and merely spew empty words out of your lower orifice.   I understand what's happening, how it is happening and why it is happening.  You could, too, .... but that would require you to lift your gaze from your navel.  I wish you luck with that.




Your actions speak louder than your words, RIV.

We know what you are about now.
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #53 on: May 08, 2017, 02:06:06 pm »
There are pieces of the House version that scratches the surface of repeal but in the end the garbage that came of the House didn't fully repeal the ACA that Bammy rammed down our throats and the Senate hasn't yet spewed their version of Bammycrap. That is reality.

We keep hearing that there aren't enough votes on everything from impeaching Bammy (which would have been the smart thing to do) to repealing the ACA. Take the vote on repealing the ACA.  The public deserves to know who stood by their promise of repeal and who lied.

Repeal is the promise that has been made over and over again for the past 7 years by the GOP.  We have a majority in the House and Senate.  So again, Cruz is absolutely correct.  NOT repealing the ACA will be catastrophic to the GOP in '18.

I hope that constitutional conservatives walk away from the Republican Party.  The reelection of Boehner as Speaker of the House was the last straw for me.

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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #54 on: May 08, 2017, 02:19:44 pm »
I hope that constitutional conservatives walk away from the Republican Party.  The reelection of Boehner as Speaker of the House was the last straw for me.

Are you talking our few constitutional conservative politicians or individuals?  Perhaps you meant Ryan??

I would love to see Cruz, Lee, Ryan, Meadows, Jordan, Brat, Amash either form their own party or join the Constitution Party. The Senate is heavily filled with RINO's and doesn't hold any hope for repeal and very little hope for a bill that's going to be any better than what the House delivered.
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #55 on: May 08, 2017, 02:33:25 pm »
Are you talking our few constitutional conservative politicians or individuals?  Perhaps you meant Ryan??

I would love to see Cruz, Lee, Ryan, Meadows, Jordan, Brat, Amash either form their own party or join the Constitution Party. The Senate is heavily filled with RINO's and doesn't hold any hope for repeal and very little hope for a bill that's going to be any better than what the House delivered.

At this point, I'm about done with politics. Most of the people I know are starting to go politically Galt. We're talking people who have been active in the Republican party for years and years. We're just done.

It's sort of an apathetic Cloward and Piven strategy. We'll just go Galt and let the system collapse on itself. Screw it. The populists can have their Orange Ignoramous and Uniparty in Washington. When it all falls apart, I think I'll just be laughing from the sidelines. This isn't America anymore anyway.
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #56 on: May 08, 2017, 03:07:46 pm »
What Ted though is saying is absolutely correct.  The people were promised REPEAL.  The majority of our Senators and Representatives campaigned on the promise of REPEAL.  It is going to be catastrophic to the GOP in '18 if the people are given anything but REPEAL.  The House and Senate already passed a bill awhile ago that Bammy vetoed.  Cruz and Paul have both come up with their own bills.  There is absolutely no reason why they cannot vote to fully REPEAL the ACA. So they know voting to repeal it probably won't fly, but let the DEMS vote against it and then let the RINO's put a noose around their necks.  There are 9 GOP Senate seats up for grabs.

Cruz is actually trying to hold the rest of the Senate to the promise they made to the people when they were trying to get reelected...not how they behave when they don't need the voters.
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #57 on: May 08, 2017, 04:04:00 pm »
Cruz is actually trying to hold the rest of the Senate to the promise they made to the people when they were trying to get reelected...not how they behave when they don't need the voters.

Exactly.   :patriot:
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #58 on: May 08, 2017, 05:32:19 pm »
Does this really sound like Cruz is saying either a complete repeal, or nothing?

"I think the consequences of failure would be catastrophic. But it’s going to take senators across the Republican conference being willing to sit down in good faith."

Cruz is acknowledging that compromise is going to be necessary if a bill is going to pass -- and it may not.  But the clear subtext is that he is not going to make his vote contingent on a "clean repeal", and nothing more, nor is it reasonable to assume that he's excluding himself from the need to compromise.

That doesn't mean he'll necessarily support the House bill, but it does mean that he's one of the people you're going to have to kick out of Congress if you're going to insist on nothing less than a complete repeal.  And I'd suggest that anyone who is going to kick Cruz out of the Senate because he's too liberal is politically irrelevant at this point.

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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #59 on: May 08, 2017, 05:37:43 pm »
Ted, sit down and shut up.

As a Presidential Candidate You were my guy, 100%.

Until You and Mike Lee stabbed us all in the back for drug money.

Why Senator Cruz's Plan To Overhaul The FDA Would Jeopardize The Public Health.

https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2015/12/21/ted-cruz-fda-drugs/

This disaster would have opened the door for Drug Makers to do an end run around the handful of honest scientists working and being harassed for being honest, at our bought and paid for FDA by letting other countries bought and paid for medicine regulators override FDA rejection, or, letting Congress Force FDA to approve new drugs for market.

Under the RESULT act, FDA would have been Required to release Thalidomide upon America as Safe and Effective.

"Consider thalidomide. In 1956, the drug was approved in several European countries as a sleeping pill, and was also prescribed for morning sickness. But the medicine was later found responsible for thousands of babies born with malformed limbs. Thankfully, an FDA reviewer refused to approve thalidomide, and the drug never entered the US market. Imagine what might have ensued if the agency had taken the approach Cruz envisions."

Criticize my source if you like, but I've followed Ed Silverman for almost a decade and there are very few reporters who know the ugly underbelly of Drug and Device makers, their Government Regulators, and Court decisions regarding them as well as Silverman. There are times when I've wondered if he knows the names of their dogs and cats too.

I'm still open to Cruz for SCOTUS, BUT ONLY BECAUSE on the Supreme Court he'd be there for life Without having to whore for money, which speaks volumes of the rest of Congress.
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #60 on: May 08, 2017, 05:39:31 pm »
At this point, I'm about done with politics. Most of the people I know are starting to go politically Galt. We're talking people who have been active in the Republican party for years and years. We're just done.

It's sort of an apathetic Cloward and Piven strategy. We'll just go Galt and let the system collapse on itself. Screw it. The populists can have their Orange Ignoramous and Uniparty in Washington. When it all falls apart, I think I'll just be laughing from the sidelines. This isn't America anymore anyway.

Glad to see you go.   A third party is the best home for stubborn ideologues who'd rather feed their egos and trumpet their purity rather than do the hard work and compromise needed to effect change.

Please, please, please stay true to your word and don't bother the rest of us who've got work to do.     
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #61 on: May 08, 2017, 05:44:12 pm »
Glad to see you go.   A third party is the best home for stubborn ideologues who'd rather feed their egos and trumpet their purity rather than do the hard work and compromise needed to effect change.

Please, please, please stay true to your word and don't bother the rest of us who've got work to do.   

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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #62 on: May 08, 2017, 05:53:28 pm »
Glad to see you go.   A third party is the best home for stubborn ideologues who'd rather feed their egos and trumpet their purity rather than do the hard work and compromise needed to effect change.

Please, please, please stay true to your word and don't bother the rest of us who've got work to do.   

Translation:  "People that adhere to and live by their conservative principles are the problem.  People that give into the leftist mindset via compromise are the solution.  Please don't interfere with those of us that are only too willing to sell out or ignore our 'pretenda' conservative principles.... which we never really had in the first place."
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« Reply #63 on: May 08, 2017, 05:58:12 pm »
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Please, please, please stay true to your word and don't bother the rest of us who've got work to do.

   @Jazzhead I don't care who you are that there is funny, You better get busy, you're past 100 days and she still ain't locked up, the Mexicans aren't paying for your wall and Trumpcare looks inevitable, oh yea, I almost forgot China's no longer a bad hombre.

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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #64 on: May 08, 2017, 08:02:35 pm »
I hope that constitutional conservatives walk away from the Republican Party.  The reelection of Boehner as Speaker of the House was the last straw for me.
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #65 on: May 08, 2017, 08:06:25 pm »

   @Jazzhead I don't care who you are that there is funny, You better get busy, you're past 100 days and she still ain't locked up, the Mexicans aren't paying for your wall and Trumpcare looks inevitable, oh yea, I almost forgot China's no longer a bad hombre.

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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #66 on: May 08, 2017, 08:58:57 pm »
Translation:  "People that adhere to and live by their conservative principles are the problem.  People that give into the leftist mindset via compromise are the solution.  Please don't interfere with those of us that are only too willing to sell out or ignore our 'pretenda' conservative principles.... which we never really had in the first place."
Sarcasm translated: "I'm going to make impossible demands, completely deny reality, stamp my feet when the product turns out to not be 150% of what I wanted, and claim everyone else is the real problem."

If that's your mindset, go vote for Bernie Sanders because he does this every single day.
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #67 on: May 08, 2017, 09:04:16 pm »
Sarcasm translated: "I'm going to make impossible demands, completely deny reality, stamp my feet when the product turns out to not be 150% of what I wanted, and claim everyone else is the real problem."

If that's your mindset, go vote for Bernie Sanders because he does this every single day.

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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #68 on: May 08, 2017, 09:43:01 pm »
There are pieces of the House version that scratches the surface of repeal but in the end the garbage that came of the House didn't fully repeal the ACA that Bammy rammed down our throats and the Senate hasn't yet spewed their version of Bammycrap. That is reality.

We keep hearing that there aren't enough votes on everything from impeaching Bammy (which would have been the smart thing to do) to repealing the ACA. Take the vote on repealing the ACA.  The public deserves to know who stood by their promise of repeal and who lied.

Repeal is the promise that has been made over and over again for the past 7 years by the GOP.  We have a majority in the House and Senate.  So again, Cruz is absolutely correct.  NOT repealing the ACA will be catastrophic to the GOP in '18.

You realize that Cruz himself lobbied HARD with the House Freedom Caucus to get their votes on this bill...right?
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #69 on: May 08, 2017, 09:46:28 pm »
At this point, I'm about done with politics. Most of the people I know are starting to go politically Galt. We're talking people who have been active in the Republican party for years and years. We're just done.

It's sort of an apathetic Cloward and Piven strategy. We'll just go Galt and let the system collapse on itself. Screw it. The populists can have their Orange Ignoramous and Uniparty in Washington. When it all falls apart, I think I'll just be laughing from the sidelines. This isn't America anymore anyway.

Except, you're not really going "Galt"...more like, you're going Kaczynski. Unless, that is, your a wildly wealthy corporate tycoon who's moving off grid...which...just a hunch...just ain't you.
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #70 on: May 08, 2017, 10:08:26 pm »
Sarcasm translated: "I'm going to make impossible demands, completely deny reality, stamp my feet when the product turns out to not be 150% of what I wanted, and claim everyone else is the real problem."

I really have to give you credit.  That ^  ^  was probably one of THE most asinine comments/translations I've seen here yet.  And you've had some really stiff competition re: that.


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If that's your mindset, go vote for Bernie Sanders because he does this every single day.


Riiiight!   Cause.... you know.... if someone doesn't agree with your warped opinion of folks .... folks that actually have principles and stand by their principles and that do not settle for less than what was promised to them (more than once) ...

then they are automatically a commie lover. 

Gotta say.  Seriously stupid.   Even for you.

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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #71 on: May 08, 2017, 10:29:50 pm »
You realize that Cruz himself lobbied HARD with the House Freedom Caucus to get their votes on this bill...right?

Link??
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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #72 on: May 08, 2017, 11:07:23 pm »
You realize that Cruz himself lobbied HARD with the House Freedom Caucus to get their votes on this bill...right?

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Re: Cruz: 'Catastrophic' if Senate fails to pass ObamaCare repeal
« Reply #74 on: May 08, 2017, 11:51:29 pm »


Where'd you find that pic of Trump's advisors at?
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