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April 29, 2017
Can Islam ever be reformed?
By Nonie Darwish

Muslim reformer Zuhdi Jasser has recently attacked leaders of the anti-Jihad movement in America. He equated them with jihadists when he called them the derogatory word, alt-jihadists, meaning that Americans who speak and write against the evils of Islamic jihad and sharia are just as bad as jihadists. Jasser attacked by name freedom fighters like Stephen Kirby, John Guandolo, Diana West, Clare Lopez, Andrew Bostom, Robert Spender and Pamela Geller.

Jasser claims that he coined the word ‘alt-jihadists’ but in fact Arab media beat him to it when they equated vocal anti-jihad leaders with jihadists. To silence critics of jihad and Islam, Muslim media have habitually come down hard on critics of jihad and Islam and treated them worse than terrorists.

Traditionally, Arab media placed terrorists on a pedestal and called anyone who discouraged jihad “apostates.” But after 9/11, when the evils of Islamic jihad became clear to the world, Arab media was caught in a quagmire; it could no longer openly applaud jihadists who were the heroes of Muslim society. They had to blame critics of jihad who were exposing Islam’s dirty little secret. Thus Arab media started a campaign to equate critics of Islam, sharia and jihad with terrorists.


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Re: American Thinker: Can Islam ever be reformed by Nonie Darwish
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2017, 11:42:52 pm »
The terrorist state of Japan was reformed.

It was done with devastating military defeat, two huge bombs, and years of occupation.

The equivalent of denazification in Japan was used, to identify problem people.

If you want to take chances the muslim world will reform itself, go ahead.

That is what the world tried in the years leading up to WWII. But only WW worked.
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Re: American Thinker: Can Islam ever be reformed by Nonie Darwish
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2017, 11:49:28 pm »
1400 years says no.

I say why try?

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Re: American Thinker: Can Islam ever be reformed by Nonie Darwish
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2017, 01:21:26 am »
Question:
"Can islam ever be reformed?"

Answer:
No. History has taught us that reality.

The question that SHOULD be asked:
"If islam cannot be reformed, what should be done about it?"

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Re: American Thinker: Can Islam ever be reformed by Nonie Darwish
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2017, 05:07:42 am »
The punishment for changing any word, any phrase, anything in the Quran is death.
A translation is not the Quran, it is a translation and an approximation, not the book.

Chances to change that? Nope. There will be no reformation, despite the variation in interpretation of the Quran out there.
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Re: American Thinker: Can Islam ever be reformed by Nonie Darwish
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2017, 03:12:30 am »
Question:
"Can islam ever be reformed?"

Answer:
No. History has taught us that reality.

The question that SHOULD be asked:
"If islam cannot be reformed, what should be done about it?"
You are 100% correct.   But the ramifications of that are fraught with disturbing possibilities.
One disturbing thing is not only what might have to be done to large Muslim populations, but what might have to be done to their enablers:  the many millions of liberals who by shirking their responsibility to maintain standards of modern civilization allow Muslims to take over previously civilized countries.
In short, liberals are as dangerous in the overall scheme to western civilization as the Muslim hordes who want to drag the world back to the seventh century. What should remaining civilized western countries do when within fifty years a previously civilized country like France, Germany, or Sweden is taken over by Islamic scum who start threatening remaining civilized countries with war or terror much like what Iran is doing now?
Now, it is true there are millions of the world's Muslims who are not dangerous fanatics. But they seem entirely unwilling to do much about the murderous fanatics in their midst. Until the great majority of Muslims start changing the tenets of Islam and seek to eradicate the hateful parts of Islamic theology,  the world will always live in fear of the subhuman scum who are now terrorizing the civilized world. It's one thing if they kill in their own countries, it's quite another thing when they attempt to destroy civilized countries. But I'm not holding my breath waiting for "moderate" Muslims to change their religion for the better.
So if we do something drastic to Islamic countries that can't control the evergrowing numbers of deranged killers created by Islam, what can we do to the liberals who think there's nothing wrong?
More and more Islamic-sponsored terror may eventually lead to actions neither Muslims nor their lib enablers will much like. Nobody wants to see increases in authoritarian governments,  but no civilized country should have to put up with kill-crazy terrorists.

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Re: American Thinker: Can Islam ever be reformed by Nonie Darwish
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2017, 03:52:54 am »
You are 100% correct.   But the ramifications of that are fraught with disturbing possibilities.
One disturbing thing is not only what might have to be done to large Muslim populations, but what might have to be done to their enablers:  the many millions of liberals who by shirking their responsibility to maintain standards of modern civilization allow Muslims to take over previously civilized countries.
In short, liberals are as dangerous in the overall scheme to western civilization as the Muslim hordes who want to drag the world back to the seventh century. What should remaining civilized western countries do when within fifty years a previously civilized country like France, Germany, or Sweden is taken over by Islamic scum who start threatening remaining civilized countries with war or terror much like what Iran is doing now?
Now, it is true there are millions of the world's Muslims who are not dangerous fanatics. But they seem entirely unwilling to do much about the murderous fanatics in their midst. Until the great majority of Muslims start changing the tenets of Islam and seek to eradicate the hateful parts of Islamic theology,  the world will always live in fear of the subhuman scum who are now terrorizing the civilized world. It's one thing if they kill in their own countries, it's quite another thing when they attempt to destroy civilized countries. But I'm not holding my breath waiting for "moderate" Muslims to change their religion for the better.
So if we do something drastic to Islamic countries that can't control the evergrowing numbers of deranged killers created by Islam, what can we do to the liberals who think there's nothing wrong?
More and more Islamic-sponsored terror may eventually lead to actions neither Muslims nor their lib enablers will much like. Nobody wants to see increases in authoritarian governments,  but no civilized country should have to put up with kill-crazy terrorists.
Unfortunately, the only thing which has kept Muslim populations from overrunning others, each other, or squabbling within is force. Unbridled, unapologetic, often brutal force.
 
The little educated will refer to Vlad Tepes with horror for the wholesale impalement of invading Ottomans, but that action did much to save Europe and certainly Hungary from invasion and total cultural destruction. Not only was there the horror of meeting such a death, but also the concept that an afterlife in Paradise would be denied to those whose remains were thus violated. That is a deterrent.

More recently, it is ironic that the character of Colonel Kurtz was presented in fiction in Apocalypse Now as a deranged madman, when he actually had the ugliness of the situation well understood, and knew what needed to be done: induce more horror and be more terrible than any alternative.

Liberals doubtless saw that character as the deranged product of the military mind gone amok, in keeping with their prejudices. By our standards here at home it was just that, but in the context of the film, it made sense.
Until they can wrap their pointy heads around the alternatives and what might indeed be necessary to retain the civilization Liberals so freely claim to be the standard bearers of, there will be neither peace nor detente with Islam, and if they should fail in that undertaking, they will fall rapidly under the sword, or rusty kitchen knife, or whatever is available to our enemies.
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Re: American Thinker: Can Islam ever be reformed by Nonie Darwish
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2017, 06:49:28 pm »
Unfortunately, the only thing which has kept Muslim populations from overrunning others, each other, or squabbling within is force. Unbridled, unapologetic, often brutal force.
 
The little educated will refer to Vlad Tepes with horror for the wholesale impalement of invading Ottomans, but that action did much to save Europe and certainly Hungary from invasion and total cultural destruction. Not only was there the horror of meeting such a death, but also the concept that an afterlife in Paradise would be denied to those whose remains were thus violated. That is a deterrent.

More recently, it is ironic that the character of Colonel Kurtz was presented in fiction in Apocalypse Now as a deranged madman, when he actually had the ugliness of the situation well understood, and knew what needed to be done: induce more horror and be more terrible than any alternative.

Liberals doubtless saw that character as the deranged product of the military mind gone amok, in keeping with their prejudices. By our standards here at home it was just that, but in the context of the film, it made sense.
Until they can wrap their pointy heads around the alternatives and what might indeed be necessary to retain the civilization Liberals so freely claim to be the standard bearers of, there will be neither peace nor detente with Islam, and if they should fail in that undertaking, they will fall rapidly under the sword, or rusty kitchen knife, or whatever is available to our enemies.
At some point in the future (hopefully not after a nuclear device is exploded by Islamists) the civilized world will have to seriously think about banning Islam. Certainly, the task would seem well nigh impossible given that there are over a billion Muslims, and the population is growing larger by the year.
But I just don't think Islam is compatible with modern civilization no matter how many non-violent Muslims claim it is. The evidence is the lack of democratic Muslim countries. Even Turkey now seems to be reverting back to an oppressive Islamic state.   There are a number of mostly Muslim countries that have had Christian and other religions populations for many centuries. Now those non-Islamic religion members are being persecuted or killed.
At some point in the future the world's Islamic countries might have to be given an ultimatum...quit the terrori and persecution or face drastic consequences.  And I mean very drastic consequences.
At the very least their populations quarantined from the rest of the civilized world. But if the Islamists succeed in detonating a nuclear device and murder hundreds of thousands instead of just thousands,  the civilized world will have to consider things previously thought unthinkable concerning the terrorist Islamic countries.

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Re: American Thinker: Can Islam ever be reformed by Nonie Darwish
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2017, 06:54:04 pm »
Nope. The extreme minority of Westernized 'peaceful' Muslims the media props up have no impact on Islam. Assuming they're even telling the truth about their peaceful intentions.   Any attempt to moderate Islam results in death.

Radicalism is the 800 lb gorilla in that religion, and all they understand is force. They need to be treated the same as we treated the Commies, to be defeated.
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Re: American Thinker: Can Islam ever be reformed by Nonie Darwish
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2017, 10:20:54 pm »
Nope. The extreme minority of Westernized 'peaceful' Muslims the media props up have no impact on Islam. Assuming they're even telling the truth about their peaceful intentions.   Any attempt to moderate Islam results in death.

Radicalism is the 800 lb gorilla in that religion, and all they understand is force. They need to be treated the same as we treated the Commies, to be defeated.
I agree, except the Commies were not defeated, they just changed tactics. The Universities are lousy with them, as are the halls of government. They have never flourished like they have since being declared "dead", but their primary weapon du jour is philosophical and political subversion rather than a head to head confrontation. See also: Democrat Party.
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis