Trump: 'Why was there the Civil War?'

[driftdiver]

I'm sure you're right, but I don't trust people whose deep thoughts can only fit in the space of 140 characters.

Trumps deep thoughts can fit in 140 characters with about 125 characters left over.

[r9etb]

I think what Trump is trying to say that if Jackson was alive and POTUS at the time of the Civil War it never would have happened..

It would have happened regardless of who was president.  The issue of slavery was intractable, and all of the deals and compromises in the decades prior to the Civil War merely delayed it until the development of more modern technology made it that much bloodier.

[Suppressed]

Damn yankees are always going to believe it was all about slavery and nothing else. 

Even if correspondence, Minutes, Diary writings and speeches declare it otherwise.

And the fact that slaves were still held in the Union.

[r9etb]

Damn yankees are always going to believe it was all about slavery and nothing else. 

Even if correspondence, Minutes, Diary writings and speeches declare it otherwise.

Without slavery there would have been no Civil War -- there'd have been no motive for it.

[ABX]

Yes it was:

This is a debate that will never end.

On one hand, you have the statements and documentation by those in power at the time, on both sides. For example, the Confederate States, to a one, had the issue of Slavery or giving Africans rights as their primary reason. Examples:
http://www.civil-war.net/pages/ordinances_secession.asp

On the other hand, you have tens of thousands of descendants (and wannabe descendants) of those who fought for the South who will insist that is not why their grandpappy fought (and thus not the reason for the war) it was about an invasion by the federal government on their land. Their grandpappy would never have believed and supported slavery.. (so they will say so they can say they didn't have that in their family).

To a point, they are both right. The big political reasons didn't matter to the average dirt farmer in the South when he was conscripted, he was just told that big government was invading his land. Most couldn't even read the emancipation proclamation, at that understand it. They didn't have the knowledge or information to understand what they were fighting for other than their own little corner of dirt.

[skeeter]

It would have happened regardless of who was president.  The issue of slavery was intractable, and all of the deals and compromises in the decades prior to the Civil War merely delayed it until the development of more modern technology made it that much bloodier.

Yep. The die for civil war was cast in 1789. The only thing that could've prevented it was the very thing delayed by the availability of slaves, technological advancement.

[catfish1957]

Man singly handed dictated the Trail of Tears.  A forced march of the peaceful civilized tribes of the southeast.  Yeah that's a big heart there Donald.

And actually Andrew Jackson is my husband to my 5 great aunt.


P.S.  I'd stay away from questions about history.

[driftdiver]

Without slavery there would have been no Civil War -- there'd have been no motive for it.

And today we have illegal immigrants providing cheap labor, hmmmmm

[Silver Pines]

Jackson wasn't around for this country's civil war, not even close.  Is this quote taken out of context, or is it another example of something we are supposed to overlook, lest Hillary returns to eat our children?

@cato potatoe

Lol. 

[Silver Pines]

....and if Oswald wasn't in Dallas.....

@mystery-ak

"....Rafael Cruz would have taken up the slack."

[mirraflake]

Without slavery there would have been no Civil War -- there'd have been no motive for it.

1%'s of the South started all the crap just like 1 %'sa re doing today. They brought in  slaves for cheap labor. When the slaves learned the skilled trades-barrell making, woodworking, brick laying, carriage wheel making it dragged down the labor rate for whites doing these jobs.

Same thing is happening today with illegals except we are not bringing them in by the boatload.

Same old same old.

@r9etb

[LateForLunch]

And today we have illegal immigrants providing cheap labor, hmmmmm

I think DJT knows exactly what he's doing by giving the leftists things like this to play with. It keeps them busy with things that he knows the general voting public does not care  at all about.

He got elected by throwing distractions to the left to occupy themselves and they apparently have still not figured out that he is to some degree playing dumb.

See, there is no more powerful position for someone than to be underestimated by one's opponents. He knows that perceiving him as a fool or an ignoramus will be irresistible to the leftist mass media. So he keeps feeding them things like this. That  makes more sense that assuming that someone with as much time and resources as DJT has at his disposal really doesn't know these things.

[mystery-ak]

@mystery-ak

"....Rafael Cruz would have taken up the slack."

...oh I forgot about Rafael..lol

[r9etb]

Yep. The die for civil war was cast in 1789. The only thing that could've prevented it was the very thing delayed by the availability of slaves, technological advancement.

Actually, there's good reason to  believe that technology (in the form of machines like the cotton gin) allowed slavery to remain economically feasible, and made the South a world power in cotton production.

And as world demand for cotton grew, so did demand for slave-tended plantation land ... and thus the continued friction for the expansion of slavery into new territories.  The Mason Dixon line pretty much guaranteed a war, as it led only into desert for the slave states, whereas the North gained fertile lands all the way to the Pacific.  The South had to expand slavery northward if King Cotton were to expand.

[ABX]

Aside from the War of Southern Aggression debate that will never be resolved, as for the current story, I still wonder why the President, the so called master negotiator and communicator, allows himself to step into piles of poo like this. It isn't like he was caught off guard responding to a 'gotcha' question. He tossed put that poo on the ground himself to step in.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-why-was-there-the-civil-war/article/2621749

[LateForLunch]

Aside from the War of Southern Aggression debate that will never be resolved, as for the current story, I still wonder why the President, the so called master negotiator and communicator, allows himself to step into piles of poo like this. It isn't like he was caught off guard responding to a 'gotcha' question. He tossed put that poo on the ground himself to step in.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-why-was-there-the-civil-war/article/2621749

Well, I proposed an explanation above. Either it is a recurrent lapse on his part that is an inferior aspect of his nature, or he is playing the left. If I knew for sure which it was, I would be in a much different  line of work.

[Silver Pines]

I love the South.  I was born and raised here.  If someone disparages my beautiful region or the people who live here, I will get right in his/her face.

But I'm not going to tell myself that the Civil War wasn't fought over slavery.   Come on.  Slaveholding was wrong, and we were going to lose because of that alone.

At the same time, Yankees might want to think twice about climbing on their moral high horses for a few reasons:

Northern slave ships continued to traffic in the trade well after slavery was outlawed in the North.

Pockets of slavery existed in the North until the end of the war.

And then there was the horrible treatment freed slaves received upon arriving in the North.

So, yes, I readily admit the South had problems.  But so did the North, which is why I don't have much patience for high moral outrage on its part.

[driftdiver]

Aside from the War of Southern Aggression debate that will never be resolved, as for the current story, I still wonder why the President, the so called master negotiator and communicator, allows himself to step into piles of poo like this. It isn't like he was caught off guard responding to a 'gotcha' question. He tossed put that poo on the ground himself to step in.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-why-was-there-the-civil-war/article/2621749

He's a bully who is used to getting his way.   He's never really been held accountable for the things he's said.

[Silver Pines]

...oh I forgot about Rafael..lol

@mystery-ak

That's how he likes it.  He's sneaky...prefers to fly low on the radar.

[catfish1957]

Would also add that there were two sides of this coin as it applies to the south.  For the aristocracy, land holders,  and politicians , yes was about slavery.

OTOH for the other 90%+ it was about defending your homeland, standard of living, and livelihood against a foreign invader.

[Rivergirl]

We are forever trying to figure out what he really really meant.
Doubtful even he knows what the heck he is talking about.

[Night Hides Not]

Trumps deep thoughts can fit in 140 characters with about 125 characters left over.

 

[Night Hides Not]

@mystery-ak

"....Rafael Cruz would have taken up the slack."

The Mafia would have eventually found someone to put on the grassy knoll. Ok, it might not have been Dallas, but there would have been more opportunities down the road. Would've saved his brother's life, though...

[Idaho_Cowboy]

The Rebels fired the first shot..

Han shot first?

[musiclady]

Unless you happened to be an Indian.

Seriously!  What a total ignoramus!!