Tribalism Demands We Defend Bill O’Reilly From “PC Culture”

[ABX]

In the wake of Bill O’Reilly’s removal from the Fox network, all sides have weighed in on the matter.

The Left, naturally, has demanded that he be barred from the public square and, for good measure, replaced with a woman and/or racial minority host. The farthest reaches of the Right, however, have declared that the Activist Left and PC Culture have taken a major scalp in their movement to destroy America. Or something.

The truth of the matter is that this, like so many things, isn’t as clear cut as Right vs. Left. .....

http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2017/04/20/tribalism-demands-defend-bill-oreilly-pc-culture/?utm_content=buffer7a5ec&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[endicom]

Tribalism? I can't get into the spear-it of the thing.

[ABX]

Key quote:

In our society, we’ve watched as things become less and less about morality and even ideology and more and more about the good of the tribe. The tribalism of the Left and Right is more about gaining power than it is about doing what we feel is right. It didn’t start in the 2016 election, but it was made painfully obvious during that strenuous campaign cycle.

[skeeter]

Getting O'reilly canned is as much about tribalism as is the left shutting down non-progressive speakers on college campuses, while conservatives seek to be heard.

Its about the left trying to silence what they believe are influential voices proffering an alternative point of view. The left refuses to live in a world where a competing worldview exists. Never could, never will.

The left thinks O'reilly is the apex of conservative thought, and that they are somehow advancing their cause by his removal. Thats how dense they are.

[ABX]

Getting O'reilly canned is as much about tribalism as is the left shutting down non-progressive speakers on college campuses, while conservatives seek to be heard.

Its about the left trying to silence what they believe are influential voices proffering an alternative point of view. The left refuses to live in a world where a competing worldview exists. Never could, never will.

The left thinks O'reilly is the apex of conservative thought, and that they are somehow advancing their cause by his removal. Thats how dense they are.

And defending O'Reilly to the right is just as much about tribalism (defending one of their own/opposing the other tribe's actions) as it is to the left. It isn't about his actions as an individual, it is about scoring that victory and opposing the other guy.

[truth_seeker]

Is it okay to take his word that the accusations are false, until proven otherwise?

[skeeter]

And defending O'Reilly to the right is just as much about tribalism (defending one of their own/opposing the other tribe's actions) as it is to the left. It isn't about his actions as an individual, it is about scoring that victory and opposing the other guy.

I defend O'Reilly not because he's a member of some 'tribe', he certainly doesn't always speak for me, but because he has a voice people want to hear, and the left wants to deny him that ability.

Where is the equivalent force attempting to quiet the opposition on the right? A few thugs at a Trump rally is not an acceptable answer.

I'm not quite sure why you can't see the threat the left is posing here.

[ABX]

Is it okay to take his word that the accusations are false, until proven otherwise?

$13 Million in settlements over the years is almost tantamount to admission as he is paying large sums of money to not have to formally defend them.  He doesn't want his day in court to be 'innocent until proven guilty'.
It would be one thing if he was spending a few hundred thousand to just avoid the legal fees of fighting it, but the amount he is paying is far beyond what he would spend in the courts and is more of a pay-off.

[skeeter]

It will be interesting to see what the reason will be for demanding Sean Hannity's ouster.

A wimpy left jab? No ground game?

[ABX]

It will be interesting to see what the reason will be for demanding Sean Hannity's ouster.

A wimpy left jab? No ground game?

That doesn't really make sense as much unless it is just a trial balloon. He is annoying, but still has the ratings and I have not heard of any legal issues he risks the network.

Unless, as I posted in another thread, the bigger picture here is the Murdock's current attempt to buy Sky News and appeasing the UK regulators who demand at least the trappings of non-controversy and may not look kindly to a host that appears, at least, to be a propaganda arm of the administration.

[skeeter]

That doesn't really make sense as much unless it is just a trial balloon. He is annoying, but still has the ratings and I have not heard of any legal issues he risks the network.

Unless, as I posted in another thread, the bigger picture here is the Murdock's current attempt to buy Sky News and appeasing the UK regulators who demand at least the trappings of non-controversy and may not look kindly to a host that appears, at least, to be a propaganda arm of the administration.

Which, from another point of view, is another way to describe political censorship.

[Cripplecreek]

Not my circus, not my arrogant obnoxious monkey.

[skeeter]

Not my circus, not my arrogant obnoxious monkey.

Nor is he mine. Not the point.

[XenaLee]

Actually.... it is just that cut and dry/clear cut. 

Taking down O'Reilly equates to the left scoring a huge victory against the right.  It is just the first step in taking down Fox News, in fact.  Which was the whole point of the O'Reilly take-down (just as it was with the Herman Cain take-down to harm the GOP .... remember him?).

Too bad "some" people are no longer able to see the reality and the logic behind what is happening in America these days.... tsk tsk.

The truth of the matter is that this, like so many things, isn’t as clear cut as Right vs. Left. .....

[geronl]

If that means defending boorish behavior and the mistreatment of women, then no - I will not defend that.

[Cripplecreek]

If that means defending boorish behavior and the mistreatment of women, then no - I will not defend that.

He's another who was happily helping Trump burn bridges. Let St Donald save him.

[geronl]

He's another who was happily helping Trump burn bridges. Let St Donald save him.

That's the chief of his tribe, and the court jester to boot.

[r9etb]

If that means defending boorish behavior and the mistreatment of women, then no - I will not defend that.

That's really the crux, isn't it?  Concepts of right and wrong are often supplanted by considerations of "on my side" or "disagrees with same people I disagree with."

[Oceander]

If that means defending boorish behavior and the mistreatment of women, then no - I will not defend that.

[geronl]

That's really the crux, isn't it?  Concepts of right and wrong are often supplanted by considerations of "on my side" or "disagrees with same people I disagree with."

We should not defend crooks and horrible behavior just because they are "on our side".

[r9etb]

We should not defend crooks and horrible behavior just because they are "on our side".

Quite right. 

[TomSea]

Tribalism? I can't get into the spear-it of the thing.

Clever
 

[TomSea]

Actually.... it is just that cut and dry/clear cut. 

Taking down O'Reilly equates to the left scoring a huge victory against the right.  It is just the first step in taking down Fox News, in fact.  Which was the whole point of the O'Reilly take-down (just as it was with the Herman Cain take-down to harm the GOP .... remember him?).

Too bad "some" people are no longer able to see the reality and the logic behind what is happening in America these days.... tsk tsk.

 

Well said, I don't listen to Beck much and sometimes, I will tune into Limbaugh, some BYU female graduate called in saying she didn't believe the accusations.

[TomSea]

Every conservative and I mean every conservative gets smeared, even Reagan. I was never into BOR that much, saw a few things on the show that were good.

[Frank Cannon]

Interesting. So the fat slob who traffics in the "tribalism" of #NeverTrump at Red State every waking moment of his life to the point of publishing "serious" news pieces like this....

VIDEO: Watch Trump Get Booed When He Shows Up to Vote

http://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2016/11/08/video-watch-trump-get-booed-shows-vote/

...is now upset about people who think BOR got a raw deal. What an absolute shock.

BTW Joe, I hope you choke on a McRib you disingenuous, fat, disgusting, bloated loudmouth.