Antifada Girl Punched Out At Berkley Protest is a Hairy Porn Star

[driftdiver]

Oh.  So the white supremacist who hit the girl was just like one of the tea party raiders?

Nathan Damigo looks and acts a lot more like Horst Wessel than one of the Sons of Liberty.

Good grief get a grip

[TomSea]

Some anti-fas wear masks,  that's illegal in some places. Are the police doing their jobs?

[driftdiver]

No chance of doing it, but I suspect it would be along the lines of if Body Oder had a spokesmodel.

Hairy porn chick who got punched was apparently throwing M-80s at Trump supporters.   Thats why she got punched.

[r9etb]

Good grief get a grip

You're saying that to me?  You're the one who seems to be suggesting that the girl-punching Mr. Damigo is a virtuous fellow.

[ABX]

Some anti-fas wear masks,  that's illegal in some places. Are the police doing their jobs?

As were some of the Evropas.

[r9etb]

On the other side, I'm sure in that mob, the adrenaline was up. Some cities keep opposing protesters well separated to avoid something like this.

That's one of the reasons for getting a permit for something like this -- the police would come with the package, so to speak.  But apparently there was no permit for this event.

[driftdiver]

You're saying that to me?  You're the one who seems to be suggesting that the girl-punching Mr. Damigo is a virtuous fellow.

You're full of nonsense today.    All I said is if a woman acts like a lady then treat her like a lady.  If a woman comes at me then she'll get the same.

She was reported to have been throwing M80s at people.   She deserved to get punched.   That he's a scumbag doesn't change her behavior.

[TomSea]

As were some of the Evropas.

OWS movements though have really brought masks into style, i.e. Guy Fawkes; I don't know if masks were at the disturbance in Huntington Beach a week or so ago except by the antifas type.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

What are you proposing, exactly?  That so-called conservatives go on-line and organize and do the same thing?  Surely not.

No.

I'm not sure why this point isn't getting across.  There is a huge moral difference between using force to attack someone who is attempting to hold a peaceful political rally, and using force to defend those attempting to hold a peaceful political rally.  I am not advocating, ever, that conservatives should "retaliate" by trying to disrupt leftist rallies.  They have a right to speak and assemble peacefully no matter how much I may disagree with them.  But I also don't endorse just sitting there and taking it.

A few things to think about, concerning this incident.

I'm not generally one for seeing code-words, but that sure looks to me like a cover for a white-supremacist world view.  The Identity Evropa presence at the rally makes sense.

There were two different things going on.  There was an normal pro-Trump group trying to have a peaceful rally -- and then there were some additional goons who came on their own.  You're lumping to the two together.  Here is the write-up from the hardly pro-Trump SF Gate.  They very clearly describe Trump marchers, and then counter-protestors, hundreds of whom showed up dressed in anarchist black.

The rally, one of several pro-Trump events held across the United States, began at 2 p.m. at Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park. That’s less than a mile from the UC Berkeley campus where a violent protest Feb. 1 forced the cancellation of a speech by right-wing provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos.
The fighting Saturday started even before the event began, with people throwing punches, swinging signs and tossing smoke bombs. Hundreds of people filled the park, with anarchists and counterdemonstrators far outnumbering what rally sponsors estimated were 60 to 75 Trump supporters.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Scattered-fist-fights-break-out-at-pro-Trump-10977508.php

Now here's the thing -- these leftist attacks on Trump rallies were not unique to this one rally at which Evropa (never heard of them before this) also decided to show up.  We have all been reading, for months, about normal Trump rallies being attacked by violent leftists who view themselves as "the Resistance", and use force to beat up Trump supporters.  It happened during the campaign as well -- we all saw it.  This is the same place where they used violence to shut down Yiannolopolis.  I don't like him either, but the man has a right to speak.  And now Ann Coulter is going out there to speak.  I don't like her either, but the idea that the left has that they can use force to shut down dissenting views has to be opposed by someone.

[r9etb]

You're full of nonsense today.    All I said is if a woman acts like a lady then treat her like a lady.  If a woman comes at me then she'll get the same.

She was reported to have been throwing M80s at people.   She deserved to get punched.   That he's a scumbag doesn't change her behavior.

You're still making excuses.  That he's a scumbag makes all the difference.

Read up on the virtuous Mr. Damigo's organization: https://www.identityevropa.com/.

Then decide whether that's really the sort of group you'd want to include among your allies.

[TomSea]

I wonder if he, Damigo, will be arrested. This will be a story to follow.

[Cripplecreek]

That's one of the reasons for getting a permit for something like this -- the police would come with the package, so to speak.  But apparently there was no permit for this event.

Permits aren't needed by people who can control themselves. The first protest I ever went to was against Obamacare.

The SEIU/ACORN pro obamacare crowd was bussed in. plenty of noise was made with lots of yelling but there was no violence despite the fact that the crowd of around 400 was intermingled. Police were there but remained relaxed and just directed traffic.

[mirraflake]

THAT jackdaw punching that chick wasn't self-defense in any way you could stretch the logic.

He charged her and popped her with a closed fist right in her face.

What happened before the video started?

@INVAR

[TomSea]

Even Red State is covering this:

Hundreds Brawl in Berkeley, Media Focuses on a Single Punch
Posted at 12:30 pm on April 17, 2017 by Jim Jamitis

http://www.redstate.com/jimjamitis/2017/04/17/hundreds-brawl-berkeley-media-focuses-single-punch/
Read it for oneself.

[driftdiver]

What happened before the video started?

@INVAR

@mirraflake

Some articles indicate she was throwing M80s at people.   

[mirraflake]

This whole rally looked like a recipe for disaster. I don't care what type of garbage this porn star is. Why punch a girl?

There is  video of the inaugration  of a totally innocent guys get's coldcoked by a gal in a black mask and he punches her back.. Thankfully there was a video showing she started it first. The police saw the whole thing and arrested her.

Again what happened before this video was taken between the antifa gal and the aryan guy.

@Frank Cannon

[r9etb]

No.

I'm not sure why this point isn't getting across.  There is a huge moral difference between using force to attack someone who is attempting to hold a peaceful political rally, and using force to defend those attempting to hold a peaceful political rally.  I am not advocating, ever, that conservatives should "retaliate" by trying to disrupt leftist rallies.  They have a right to speak and assemble peacefully no matter how much I may disagree with them.

The question being: was this intended as a "peaceful rally," or as an incitement?  The presence of thugs in masks and helmets, and the identity of the group that organized it, doesn't suggest that "peaceful" wasn't necessarily the primary consideration for their political rally.

There were two different things going on.  There was an normal pro-Trump group trying to have a peaceful rally -- and then there were some additional goons who came on their own.  You're lumping to the two together.

Hold on, now.  The rally was apparently organized by the "Proud Boys" organization, a group that seems to have a lot more in common with the Identity Evropa goons than they do with any "normal pro-Trump" group I'm used to seeing.  If anything, the normal pro-Trump types are the ones who came on their own.

Now here's the thing -- these leftist attacks on Trump rallies were not unique to this one rally at which Evropa also decided to show up. 

I fully acknowledge that.  That these groups are allowed to behave as they do bespeaks a serious problem in cities like Berkley.  That in no way justifies so-called conservative groups behaving the same way.

[INVAR]

If a woman comes at me then she'll get the same.

She was reported to have been throwing M80s at people.   She deserved to get punched.   That he's a scumbag doesn't change her behavior.

Same kind of justifications I hear from abusive husbands and their enablers about the women they beat into a bloody pulp.  No woman ever 'deserves' to be punched in the face like that.  There are other ways to restrain an unruly woman that do not involve punching them in the face.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Permits aren't needed by people who can control themselves. The first protest I ever went to was against Obamacare.

The SEIU/ACORN pro obamacare crowd was bussed in. plenty of noise was made with lots of yelling but there was no violence despite the fact that the crowd of around 400 was intermingled. Police were there but remained relaxed and just directed traffic.

Something has changed, though.  The left's militancy/rhetoric escalated, particularly during Obama's second term.  BLM probably helped in that.  But the truth is that this kind of disruption has been building for a logn time -- decades, even.  They didn't throw punches before, but they'd march into a specific room/location that had been reserved, and yell and scream to the point where speakers were cancelled.  And it was tolerated for far too long.

I don't like street fights, but you start feeling like a chump when the other side can shut down public debate just by ignoring common decency.

[driftdiver]

Same kind of justifications I hear from abusive husbands and their enablers about the women they beat into a bloody pulp.  No woman ever 'deserves' to be punched in the face like that.  There are other ways to restrain an unruly woman that do not involve punching them in the face.

@INVAR

You are quite the piece of work.   I can image you get beat up a lot with your charming personality and quick wit.

Newflash, "restraining" a woman is just as much assault as hitting her unless she attacks you first.

[mirraflake]

Okay.  So you have outed yourself as one who has no compunction about punching a woman in the face.

Reminds me of a wild ass of a man who told me that his wife deserved to have her cheekbones broken, her ribs cracked and her lips split open because she mouthed off to him.

Not even close comparison
@INVAR

[driftdiver]

Something has changed, though.  The left's militancy/rhetoric escalated, particularly during Obama's second term.  BLM probably helped in that.  But the truth is that this kind of disruption has been building for a logn time -- decades, even.  They didn't throw punches before, but they'd march into a specific room/location that had been reserved, and yell and scream to the point where speakers were cancelled.  And it was tolerated for far too long.

I don't like street fights, but you start feeling like a chump when the other side can shut down public debate just by ignoring common decency.

What changed is George Soros and his ilk started paying organizers to 'protest'.   The government ignored Occupy and BLM but sent the swat teams out for Grandma & the Tea Party.

[DB]

If you find yourself having to side with Aryan scum, you should really question if this is your fight. This isn't a dual choice, you can choose neither side.

Very true.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The question being: was this intended as a "peaceful rally," or as an incitement?

There should be zero difference between those two.   "Incitement" means stating an unpopular opinion in an unpopular place.  That should still be protected.  Maybe even more so.  If you don't want to be "incited", then don't show up to someone else's rally.  Should Coulter not go there because it would "incite" them?

As I've said, this kind of stuff has been happening on a smaller scale for a long time, and generally was something swept under the rug and tolerated by mainstream conservatives.  It's just the "way it was".   And I think a lot of Americans were unaware of that.  More recently, we just saw a riot when Professor Charles Murphy tried to speak, and another professor ended up in a neck brace as a result:

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/03/03/professor-left-in-neck-brace-after-middlebury-college-mob-goes-nuts-over-charles-murray-speech/

The left is making more and more topics, and more and more places, as being "off limits" for views they don't like.  What should be done about that?  How do we reclaim free speech rights without deliberately challenging their mob rule?

I fully acknowledge that.  That these groups are allowed to behave as they do bespeaks a serious problem in cities like Berkley.  That in no way justifies so-called conservative groups behaving the same way.

Again, I don't see it as behaving "the same way".  The difference is disrupting someone else's rally versus protecting your own.  But again, what is your proposal for dealing with this censorship by mob rule?  To me, deliberate provocations that raise awareness of this, and the profile of this more, to the point where cities and law enforcement must act, is the only way to get any change.  Not sure what other alternatives exist.

[mirraflake]

White 70+ something old man.  Looks like a radical aryan to me lol . Pepper sprayed by Antifa on March 4th.