Antifada Girl Punched Out At Berkley Protest is a Hairy Porn Star

[mirraflake]

Brought this over from TOS.. I love Wardaddy. He has such a way with words.  I bet he is a hoot after he gets a few drinks in him at the local bar. 

Ok

I confess I looked her up

Google Venus Rosales porn or “f word”

Besides her hairy legs and armpits

Being oldish I can deal with hairy downtown...it’s nostalgic

But I am not sure how to say it

Her baby Hole is big....gaping...and I’m pretty experienced with such things

And no birthing doesn’t necessarily do that....

Must be those bug toys she inserts on film for money

She’s sorta a whore...an inanimate whore

I imagine there’s film of her with girls and diverse men out there if you dig

Man...what a nutjob

I love girls but she’s trash

[r9etb]

This really gets to my point.  What I'm saying is that not fighting back is makes it easiest for the government to do nothing.  There's a conservative rally, the leftists disrupt it, the conservatives go home.  End of story.  No arrests, no violence -- the government can tolerate that indefinitely, and that what has essentially been happening for decades.

Publicity goes a long way toward addressing that. 

But what happens if conservatives fight back in the streets?  Well, then you've got people injured, likely property being destroyed...maybe worse.  And it lasts for much longer than just waiting for the conservatives to slink away.  Maybe hours of embarrassing tape/youtube videos.  So now, you've got a situation that the government cannot tolerate or ignore.  They have to start trying to keep the two groups separate, which means that conservative speakers might actually be protected and have a chance to get heard.

Didn't work in Munich, wouldn't work here.

I'm just sick to death of seeing the free exchange of ideas suppressed by leftist goons.  It got really bad during the campaign, and if something isn't dome to reverse it, we're really going to have a hard time speaking in decade or so.  I'd rather just bring things to a head now so that the problem can be addressed before the militant left -- who largely has been raised to believe that they are entitled to a world in which only their views may be heard -- is forced to let other voices be heard.  Because I'm really afraid that if our rights to speak aren't protected, that we really might start seeing right-wing groups start disrupting leftist rallies, and nobody who is sane wants us to go down that road as a country.

I'm sick of it, too.  But look: the fact that Trump got elected shows that we're not actually powerless.  As awful as I thought, and still think, Trump is, I nevertheless recognize his election as a resounding expression of the frustration that normal people are feeling. 

Normal people want law and order; they want people to be able to stage protests without violence; and they want people of differing viewpoints to be able to speak on campuses without the college administration colluding with rabble rousers to shut down honest and reasonable people whose opinions they dislike.

They're frustrated especially by the mounting idiocies and hypocrisies of the left in particular.  That frustration is a powerful force, but it's dangerous: it can be used for good or for evil.

Rational and responsible publicity, pitting law, order, and fair play against anarchy -- giving people a look at the true nature of the game being played -- that's the next step.

[INVAR]

Did you not look at the actual video at all?  She was clearly not withdrawing.  I don't agree with any white supremacist beliefs, but claiming that she was attacked without provocation is clearly false.  You're obviously very emotional about all this; you're not being rational.

There is no rationality for rushing a woman and punching her in the face like that.  None. 

I guess chivalry and gentlemanliness has truly departed this country, and a good share of the blame for that can be laid at the feet of feminists.

But since the cheerleading for violence and bloodshed is all the rage right now, and I guess beating up women by mobs of men is to be expected when our nation is in this freefall into oblivion.

So let the games begin and good luck to holding onto any shred of liberty you have left as all this unfolds and waxes worse and worse as time marches on.

[r9etb]

Yes and for the last 8 years conservatives have been powerless to do exactly that.  In fact anyone seeking to do so was punished by the Dept of Justice.

But maybe you've been asleep in your utopia for the last 8 years.  When the govt doesn't listen to the people at the ballot box the only alternative is the streets.

Trump got elected and you still doubt the power of the ballot box.

I didn't and still don't support the guy, but the people spoke loudly enough for rational people to hear.  Perhaps you just aren't listening.

[driftdiver]

Publicity goes a long way toward addressing that. 

Publicity?   Seriously where do you live.  The left controls almost all of the media.  They control the narrative.   Ocupy and Black Lives Matter are made to look like heros and the Tea Party are portrayed as Nazis.

You cannot get publicity without doing something like this.   Look at the guy who videotaped Planned Parenthood for selling baby parts.   They've been charged with felonies and the media is silent.

[Restored]

here is no rationality for rushing a woman and punching her in the face like that.  None. 

That's your white privileged patriarchy talking.

[INVAR]

@INVAR
blah blah blah blah

If she wants to be treated like a lady then she should act like one.  People like her have been doing everything they can to destroy this country.  I could care less if she got punched.

And next week or next month or next year you'll be saying you could care less that such people are shot and killed by similar mob action.

That's where your mindset takes you. 

Happy Easter.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Publicity goes a long way toward addressing that.

Then how do you get that publicity, and why hasn't that worked so far? 

Didn't work in Munich, wouldn't work here.

There was no government capable of doing anything in Munich.  And...are you saying that groups who the Nazis tried to shut down should not have tried to fight back?

I'm sick of it, too.  But look: the fact that Trump got elected shows that we're not actually powerless.  As awful as I thought, and still think, Trump is, I nevertheless recognize his election as a resounding expression of the frustration that normal people are feeling. 

Normal people want law and order; they want people to be able to stage protests without violence; and they want people of differing viewpoints to be able to speak on campuses without the college administration colluding with rabble rousers to shut down honest and reasonable people whose opinions they dislike.

They're frustrated especially by the mounting idiocies and hypocrisies of the left in particular.  That frustration is a powerful force, but it's dangerous: it can be used for good or for evil.

Rational and responsible publicity, pitting law, order, and fair play against anarchy -- giving people a look at the true nature of the game being played -- that's the next step.

I agree.  The problem is that while electing Trump was good in that respect, law and order is overwhelmingly a state and local issue.  So what should be done -- that hasn't been done already -- to force those governments to tick off their generally leftist constituents by cracking down on disruptors?   And the reality is that Trump still lost the popular vote.  So what are things going to be like if, in 4 or 8 years, there's another lefty running the national government, and the left running the cities?  Who protects our right to speak then?

I'm asking honestly, here.  I've seen this stuff go on for too long, and conservatives complained about it with nothing happening.  Nothing is done until it blows up -- then they act.  I honestly don't see an alternative method of getting those local governments to protect free speech rights.

[Doug Loss]

There is no rationality for rushing a woman and punching her in the face like that.  None. 

I guess chivalry and gentlemanliness has truly departed this country, and a good share of the blame for that can be laid at the feet of feminists.

But since the cheerleading for violence and bloodshed is all the rage right now, and I guess beating up women by mobs of men is to be expected when our nation is in this freefall into oblivion.

So let the games begin and good luck to holding onto any shred of liberty you have left as all this unfolds and waxes worse and worse as time marches on.

And again: "beating up women by mobs of men" is not what happened here.  You're seeing only what you want and expect to see.

[driftdiver]

And next week or next month or next year you'll be saying you could care less that such people are shot and killed by similar mob action.

That's where your mindset takes you. 

Happy Easter.

God Bless, I pray you will open your eyes

[skeeter]

Didn't work in Munich, wouldn't work here.

You're looking at this the wrong way.

Imagine if regular germans stood up against the brownshirts. Would that have been a bad thing?

[INVAR]

And again: "beating up women by mobs of men" is not what happened here.  You're seeing only what you want and expect to see.

All the cheerleading I'm reading online for what that thug did certainly does not belay the thought that in similar circumstances, such people would be more than willing to mimic that behavior.

As I said before, in my estimation, they have discredited any moral authority they may have had for defending themselves against those anarchists with such justifications. 

That's your white privileged patriarchy talking.

Indeed it is. 

[mirraflake]

Saw this on another site regarding this issue-I'm not taking credit for it.  Sums it up fairly well regarding this gal.

[r9etb]

Publicity?   Seriously where do you live.  The left controls almost all of the media.  They control the narrative.   Ocupy and Black Lives Matter are made to look like heros and the Tea Party are portrayed as Nazis.

You cannot get publicity without doing something like this.   Look at the guy who videotaped Planned Parenthood for selling baby parts.   They've been charged with felonies and the media is silent.

Counterpoint: Trump's election, which occurred despite the media firestorm directed against him. 

You aren't thinking like a rational person.  You sound like you just want to shout and break stuff.

It's easy to break stuff.  It's a lot harder to behave like a responsible citizen in a society that, for all its problems, is not actually broken.

We've already got the necessary public institutions in place, and even if they're poorly guided they're not really broken.  And we've already got a population that's mentally ready to work within a basically functional civil order.

We mainly just need to find a way to remind people of their responsibilities.

[driftdiver]

If people don't want to get hurt they shouldn't start a riot.

[Cripplecreek]

There is no rationality for rushing a woman and punching her in the face like that.  None. 

I guess chivalry and gentlemanliness has truly departed this country, and a good share of the blame for that can be laid at the feet of feminists.

But since the cheerleading for violence and bloodshed is all the rage right now, and I guess beating up women by mobs of men is to be expected when our nation is in this freefall into oblivion.

So let the games begin and good luck to holding onto any shred of liberty you have left as all this unfolds and waxes worse and worse as time marches on.

Frankly the very title of this thread shows a desperate attempt to justify their own bad behavior. What she does for a living does not justify punching her in the face. We saw the same with those who rushed to claim the Dr kicked off the United flight was a criminal. They were wrong but even if they had the right guy it still would have no bearing whether he deserved to be violently removed from the seat.

[Doug Loss]

Counterpoint: Trump's election, which occurred despite the media firestorm directed against him. 

You aren't thinking like a rational person.  You sound like you just want to shout and break stuff.

It's easy to break stuff.  It's a lot harder to behave like a responsible citizen in a society that, for all its problems, is not actually broken.

We've already got the necessary public institutions in place, and even if they're poorly guided they're not really broken.  And we've already got a population that's mentally ready to work within a basically functional civil order.

We mainly just need to find a way to remind people of their responsibilities.

Facts not in evidence.  You claim the existence of "a basically functional civil order."  When the police will not respond to or intervene in physical violence perpetrated by the left against anyone they wish (and you know that's what has been happening in Berkeley and other cities around the country) your "basically functional civil order" is in fact no such thing.  Major Bill has it right--if the only way to get the police to take an active role is to fight back, then you fight back.  That is the responsibility of the people.

[INVAR]

God Bless, I pray you will open your eyes

Open them to what?  The NEED to start fighting, bruising and killing those in political opposition???

I don't think so.

I don't thirst for blood or payback.

I'll defend myself when needed and it will be decisive and final, but I do not go hunting for retribution or put myself into a situation where I have to confront idiots.

[INVAR]

When the police will not respond to or intervene in physical violence perpetrated by the left against anyone they wish (and you know that's what has been happening in Berkeley and other cities around the country) your "basically functional civil order" is in fact no such thing.

This is true.  It's evidence that the civil society is starting to collapse when institutions intended to maintain law and order and the rule of law will no longer do so because of political ideology.

That said - because lawlessness abounds - cheerleading more lawlessness will just speed up the collapse and anarchy will become the violent bloodletting that the Left has dreamed of for years.

We've been played and are falling right into the trap that will doom us to the fate all other former Republics have gone.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Facts not in evidence.  You claim the existence of "a basically functional civil order."  When the police will not respond to or intervene in physical violence perpetrated by the left against anyone they wish (and you know that's what has been happening in Berkeley and other cities around the country) your "basically functional civil order" is in fact no such thing.  Major Bill has it right--if the only way to get the police to take an active role is to fight back, then you fight back.  That is the responsibility of the people.

I just want to add that my 83 year old mom wanted to go to a Trump rally this summer, and was afraid to because of the things she saw on TV happening to Trump supporters.  It broke my heart, and something is desperately wrong here.

There was almost an entire generation -- beginning about halfway through Bush's Presidency and continuing right through Obama's, that is being taught that certain words are a form of violence, and so should be outlawed/suppressed just as we would any other violence.  they're also pretty gullible, and so rather easily influenced by the hardcore ANSWER types and professional revolutionaries who prey on the young.

Those young people need to be disabused of that notion.  They need to realize that if they endorse the right to engage in violence to suppress free speech, that they're opening a can of worms that had best be kept closed.  And if the government is unwilling to teach that lesson -- that we all must respect the right of our fellow citizens to speak on politics without being attacked -- then it is up to the rest of us to make that point to them.

And if it takes throwing punches back, and forcing the cops to get out into the street and do their dame jobs....I'm all for it.

[Doug Loss]

This is true.  It's evidence that the civil society is starting to collapse when institutions intended to maintain law and order and the rule of law will no longer do so because of political ideology.

That said - because lawlessness abounds - cheerleading more lawlessness will just speed up the collapse and anarchy will become the violent bloodletting that the Left has dreamed of for years.

We've been played and are falling right into the trap that will doom us to the fate all other former Republics have gone.

You're missing the point.  If there is no enforcement of the law by the authorities, then the people will band together to do so for themselves.  That's what you're likely to see happen, increasingly.  That some white supremacist groups are trying to wheedle their way into such groups is unfortunate and predictable, but that doesn't invalidate the right of the people to enforce the law themselves if the civil authorities have abrogated their responsibility to do so in the people's stead.

[r9etb]

Then how do you get that publicity, and why hasn't that worked so far? 

It does work -- it has worked.  Why do you think Trump got elected?

There was no government capable of doing anything in Munich.

Careful -- what you seem to be suggesting is that there's no government capable of doing anything here.  I don't believe that, and I think you don't believe it either; but what
 you've been saying, sure looks like you've given up on the possibility that the government is capable of maintaining order.

And...are you saying that groups who the Nazis tried to shut down should not have tried to fight back?

I'm saying that the Commies and Brownshirts in Munich were both looking to take down the existing order - much like the thugs on both sides of this melee seem to be doing. 

I agree.  The problem is that while electing Trump was good in that respect, law and order is overwhelmingly a state and local issue.  So what should be done -- that hasn't been done already -- to force those governments to tick off their generally leftist constituents by cracking down on disruptors?   And the reality is that Trump still lost the popular vote.  So what are things going to be like if, in 4 or 8 years, there's another lefty running the national government, and the left running the cities?  Who protects our right to speak then?

I'm asking honestly, here.  I've seen this stuff go on for too long, and conservatives complained about it with nothing happening.  Nothing is done until it blows up -- then they act.  I honestly don't see an alternative method of getting those local governments to protect free speech rights.

The place to start for answering a question like that, is by agreeing on what are not acceptable answers.  I'll toss out a couple of unacceptable answers.

1.  It is not acceptable to throw in our lot with the likes of Identity Evropa just because they're against a few of the same things we're against.  What they're for matters -- and what they're for is bad.  Making common cause with them will surely corrupt us just as surely as the left is being corrupted by the anarchists.

2.  It is not acceptable to think that our system is so irretrievably broken that it must be overthrown.  The structures are still basically sound; it's the people who run them who need to be held accountable.

3.  It is not acceptable to think that a movement that creates "identity groups" and pits them against each other can solve the problems we face. 

The answer lies in finding common ground, not in sweeping it away.  And that means finding ways to get the message out.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

That said - because lawlessness abounds - cheerleading more lawlessness will just speed up the collapse and anarchy will become the violent bloodletting that the Left has dreamed of for years.

The Left dreams of everyone else's blood running in the streets.  And that's only the hardcore left.  A lot of the rest of them are just stupid/naïve young people who believe their views are so universally accepted that there can't possibly be an real objection to them silencing their opposition.

The classic -- and most effective -- response to a bully is to fight back.  And leaving aside the issue of that woman, it still sounds to me like some of you guys are advocating the opposite.  Don't fight back.   And I'm honestly struggling to see how you'd expect that to improve anything.  I mean, we've been on a pretty consistent losing streak in term of free speech on liberal campuses and in liberal cities for decades now, playing the "it's not worth it" game and deciding to lay low.  Some of those college students never really even get to hear any dissenting views.

That passivity has not worked.

[EC]

The Left dreams of everyone else's blood running in the streets.  And that's only the hardcore left.

Not just the left. I've seen way too much gloating anticipation of Civil War 2 over on TOS to declare the Right innocent of the same dreams.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Careful -- what you seem to be suggesting is that there's no government capable of doing anything here.

I'm actually suggesting the opposite.  We do have a government that is capable of acting.  We have stronger democratic traditions than most, and relatively effective law enforcement.  What is lacking is the will on the part of those urban local governments to actually enforce that law.   And that's because as long as conservatives meekly slink away, the path of least resistance for those governments is to just let it happen.

I'm saying that the Commies and Brownshirts in Munich were both looking to take down the existing order - much like the thugs on both sides of this melee seem to be doing.

This is only one melee in which those Evropa guys were involved.  There were a ton of others, including plenty of Trump rallies, where it was just ordinary people getting beaten up by leftist agitators.  No brownshirts -- just ordinary people.

The place to start for answering a question like that, is by agreeing on what are not acceptable answers.  I'll toss out a couple of unacceptable answers.

It doesn't do us much good to play by a rulebook when the other side has long since tossed theirs away.

The answer lies in finding common ground, not in sweeping it away.  And that means finding ways to get the message out.

There is no common ground between the hard left and the rest of us.  They openly want violence ad the suppression of dissenting speech.  And when you mention "finding ways" to get the message out, do you mean conservative speakers should abandon trying to speak at college campuses, or in liberal cities, and try something else instead?