GOP lawmakers in North Carolina introduce bill to restore ban on same-sex marriage

[Jazzhead]

God also says that marriage is between a woman and a man....and says homosexuality is a sin.

That's not your concern,  other than with respect to your own life.   God doesn't need or want your help harassing and haranguing my neighbors about their "sin".   

[txradioguy]

Should the government support and encourage that commitment?

YES!

NO!  The government should have nothing to do with encouraging or discouraging marriage within reason.

I thought you were against the Government meddling in our lives?

Oh wait...that's right...

[txradioguy]

That's not your concern,  other than with respect to your own life.   God doesn't need or want your help harassing and haranguing my neighbors about their "sin".   

Except that Jesus and God himself encourage in the Old and New Testament instruct people to spread His word far and wide to the masses.

You just don't want to hear what He has to say because it throws up in your face how wrong you are in your views.

[Emjay]

Except that Jesus and God himself encourage in the Old and New Testament instruct people to spread His word far and wide to the masses.

You just don't want to hear what He has to say because it throws up in your face how wrong you are in your views.

Gotta disagree with you, baby.  God tells us many diverse things in scripture that can be interpreted too many ways to be dogmatic about it.

Just go with what it means to you and let others alone about it.

[TomSea]

I think nonetheless, it should be left to the States, the States for years and years have legislated marriage, Cousins Marriages have different laws between the States.

And take a look at polygamy? What's to stop that from becoming accepted too. The US did not want the Mormons taking part in polygamy.

I can relate to the statement, "how is their marriage affecting you?" Maybe none at all, but Bed and Breakfast places having to accept a same-sex couple, there should be some leeway. Also, one can't help but find examples where some folks try to mainstream it into the public schools and elsewhere.

States should set the law, it be NC, NY, etc.

[txradioguy]

Gotta disagree with you, baby.  God tells us many diverse things in scripture that can be interpreted too many ways to be dogmatic about it.

Just go with what it means to you and let others alone about it.

Yeah...whatever. 

Mark 16:15 NKJV

“And He said to them, ‘Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.'”


Psalms 96:3 NKJV

“Declare His glory among the nations, His wonders among all peoples.”

Matthew 28:19-20 NKJV

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

[Frank Cannon]

Divorce rate is the lowest it's been since the 60's and marriage rates are coming back.

Divorce rates are down because A) people can't afford to do it anymore but they are still splitting up and B) less people are getting married and instead shacking up.

Marriage rates are slightly up because of gays. Overall only 32 in a 1000 women a year age 15 and older are getting married.

Nothing here that one would want to cheer about.

[mirraflake]

Divorce rates are down because A) people can't afford to do it anymore but they are still splitting up and B) less people are getting married and instead shacking up.

Marriage rates are slightly up because of gays. Overall only 32 in a 1000 women a year age 15 and older are getting married.

Nothing here that one would want to cheer about.

Nope, study was done on per capita basis and did not include gays

@Frank Cannon

[Cripplecreek]

NO!  The government should have nothing to do with encouraging or discouraging marriage within reason.

I thought you were against the Government meddling in our lives?

Oh wait...that's right...

Not a fan of government interference in marriage in any way shape or form. If government wants to encourage people to get married and have children the best thing they could do is as little as possible. If they cut taxes and and regulation across the board it would do plenty to encourage people to live as they wish.

Government interference is why 7 months after my mother's death I am still dealing with her piece of crap long estranged husband. In fact she would have divorced his worthless ass 20 years ago if it weren't for our idiotic no fault divorce laws giving him half of what he never earned. SS survivor benefits are another source of govt interference. My mother said outright that she would rather her survivor benefits go to my father who she hadn't been married to for 40 years.

[Emjay]

Not a fan of government interference in marriage in any way shape or form. If government wants to encourage people to get married and have children the best thing they could do is as little as possible. If they cut taxes and and regulation across the board it would do plenty to encourage people to live as they wish.

Government interference is why 7 months after my mother's death I am still dealing with her piece of crap long estranged husband. In fact she would have divorced his worthless ass 20 years ago if it weren't for our idiotic no fault divorce laws giving him half of what he never earned. SS survivor benefits are another source of govt interference. My mother said outright that she would rather her survivor benefits go to my father who she hadn't been married to for 40 years.

Sorry about the infuriating hassle but one example does not make good law.

[Emjay]

Yeah...whatever. 

Mark 16:15 NKJV

“And He said to them, ‘Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.'”


Psalms 96:3 NKJV

“Declare His glory among the nations, His wonders among all peoples.”

Matthew 28:19-20 NKJV

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Yeah, whatever?  Is that a good response.  Okay, then.

But I've gotten into the battle of the scriptures in many, many Bible classes and nobody wins.

I still urge you to take scripture personally as to what it means to you and leave others alone.

[Hoodat]

I think nonetheless, it should be left to the States

Amazingly, our Founding Fathers thought likewise.  Sadly though, there is a poster here who believes that the Constitution our Founding Fathers gave us should be discarded in favor of the tyranny of five people wearing black robes.

[Smokin Joe]

Gotta disagree with you, baby.  God tells us many diverse things in scripture that can be interpreted too many ways to be dogmatic about it.

Just go with what it means to you and let others alone about it.

How do you interpret "abomination"?

Or the total destruction of Sodom and Gommorah?

I mean, there might be a subtle nuance I am unaware of, but in general those sort of things aren't open to much misinterpretation.

[Frank Cannon]

Nope, study was done on per capita basis and did not include gays

@Frank Cannon

I glanced the report from last year and it made no mention of who was being married and also concluded that overall there were no positive conclusions to be made because they were comparing things to 1980 and it didn't factor in population growth.

[Emjay]

How do you interpret "abomination"?

Or the total destruction of Sodom and Gommorah?

I mean, there might be a subtle nuance I am unaware of, but in general those sort of things aren't open to much misinterpretation.

Pointless to argue.  Go in peace to love and serve the Lord.  Amen.

[mirraflake]

How do you interpret "abomination"?

Or the total destruction of Sodom and Gommorah?

I mean, there might be a subtle nuance I am unaware of, but in general those sort of things aren't open to much misinterpretation.

Rush Limbaugh is on his 4 th marriage
Trump on his 3rd or 4th, cheating and adultry
New Gingrich cheated on his first 2 wives and divorced them

My SIL gay brother has been with his partner since 1986

What is the real abomination?

@Smokin Joe

[Smokin Joe]

Rush Limbaugh is on his 4 th marriage
Trump on his 3rd or 4th, cheating and adultry
New Gingrich cheated on his first 2 wives and divorced them

My SIL gay brother has been with his partner since 1986

What is the real abomination?

@Smokin Joe

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Those are specific. and whole towns were erased from the landscape over that.

From Proverbs:

Proverbs Chapter 6

16 These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

and

Proverbs 17:15 - He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both [are] abomination to the LORD.

Proverbs 28:9 - He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer [shall be] abomination.

Proverbs 20:10 - Divers weights, [and] divers measures, both of them [are] alike abomination to the LORD.

That's a warmup, there's more.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Abomination/

Without making this into a religious thread, nor sitting in judgement that is above my pay grade, none of the behaviours you mention are righteous.

[Jazzhead]

Rush Limbaugh is on his 4 th marriage
Trump on his 3rd or 4th, cheating and adultry
New Gingrich cheated on his first 2 wives and divorced them

My SIL gay brother has been with his partner since 1986

What is the real abomination?

@Smokin Joe

Right on brother!    Lack of faithfulness and the breaking of solemn vows -  often vows taken in the sight of God - strike me as the real sins.   It is amusing to see conservative Christians having conniptions about gay couples having the gall to want their "abomination" recognized as a marriage, while shrugging their shoulders at those who ignore their wedding vows when faced with the thrill of a quick fling.    Has that baker who won't provide a cake for a gay wedding ever cheated on his wife?  Dollars to donuts he has!   

[Jazzhead]

Without making this into a religious thread, nor sitting in judgement that is above my pay grade, none of the behaviours you mention are righteous.

But cheating causes real, tangible harm.   It is the breaking of a solemn vow, that if revealed may break up a marriage and a family.

What harm is caused by a gay couple that wants to marry?   

[Hoodat]

It is amusing to see conservative Christians having conniptions about gay couples having the gall to want their "abomination" recognized as a marriage, while shrugging their shoulders at those who ignore their wedding vows when faced with the thrill of a quick fling

It is amusing to see liberals hold fast to moral arguments as they embrace tyranny while completely ignoring the Constitution of the United States of America.

[Jazzhead]

It is amusing to see liberals hold fast to moral arguments as they embrace tyranny while completely ignoring the Constitution of the United States of America.

So spoken by one who ignores the Constitution's guarantee of the equal protection of the law.   Son, you're the one advocating tyranny - which is exactly what arbitrary discrimination in the law's application represents.   

[Hoodat]

So spoken by one who ignores the Constitution's guarantee of the equal protection of the law.

We already had equal protection.  This has been pointed out to you again and again and again, yet you willfully contradict that simple truth.

Son, you're the one advocating tyranny - which is exactly what arbitrary discrimination in the law's application represents.

There is no arbitrary discrimination.  None.  Zip.  Nada.

But hey, at least when I brought up liberals, you correctly assumed that I was talking about you.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Geez. What a pointless and incendiary exercise. Why not get the govt' out of marriage all together. They should never have been involved in it in the first place.

Amen.

Regardless of what the good book may or may not say, Telling other people that I know the Mind of God on Any issue is presumption on a cosmic scale.

As for the State's Rights argument, it's DOA.

Until and unless we repeal the marriage deduction from the tax code, gay marriage becomes Due Process and Equal Protection Issues.

Just ain't gonna happen.

[Mesaclone]

Yeah...whatever. 

Mark 16:15 NKJV

“And He said to them, ‘Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.'”


Psalms 96:3 NKJV

“Declare His glory among the nations, His wonders among all peoples.”

Matthew 28:19-20 NKJV

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

FYI. Quite frankly, Mark 16:9-19 is a fake...a very late forgery added to Mark to correct what some early editors thought of as the "odd" absence of mentioning a risen Jesus. It was absolutely NOTpart of the original text of Mark. Its not found in any of the earliest known copies of Mark, though sadly it somehow found its way into many modern bibles. The fact that you cite it, shows you clearly don't know/understand the very source material of your own belief system.

Backing this up: The evidence is clear. This ending is not found in our earliest and most reliable Greek copies of Mark. In A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, Bruce Metzger writes: “Clement of Alexandria and Origen [early third century] show no knowledge of the existence of these verses; furthermore Eusebius and Jerome attest that the passage was absent from almost all Greek copies of Mark known to them.”1 The language and style of the Greek is clearly not Markan, and it is pretty evident that what the forger did was take sections of the endings of Matthew, Luke and John (marked respectively in red, blue, and purple above) and simply create a “proper” ending.http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/new-testament/the-strange-ending-of-the-gospel-of-mark-and-why-it-makes-all-the-difference/

[Mesaclone]

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Those are specific. and whole towns were erased from the landscape over that.

From Proverbs:

Proverbs Chapter 6

16 These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

and

Proverbs 17:15 - He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both [are] abomination to the LORD.

Proverbs 28:9 - He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer [shall be] abomination.

Proverbs 20:10 - Divers weights, [and] divers measures, both of them [are] alike abomination to the LORD.

That's a warmup, there's more.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Abomination/

Without making this into a religious thread, nor sitting in judgement that is above my pay grade, none of the behaviours you mention are righteous.

You are citing Proverbs...which is the words of Solomon, Agur and Lemuel in that order. So the Proverbs are simply the opinions of these men and a reflection of their own cultural view...not god's view. God might be infallible, but rest assured that Solomon, Agur and Lemuel were anything but.