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 By Ellen Nakashima, Devlin Barrett and Adam Entous April 11 at 7:11 PM

The FBI obtained a secret court order last summer to monitor the communications of an adviser to presidential candidate Donald Trump, part of an investigation into possible links between Russia and the campaign, law enforcement and other U.S. officials said.

The FBI and the Justice Department obtained the warrant targeting Carter Page’s communications after convincing a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge that there was probable cause to believe Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power, in this case Russia, according to the officials.

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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2017, 01:40:00 am »
There is a bit of an issue then, a FISA warrant would make it a legal wiretap (not saying right, saying legal)

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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2017, 04:23:31 am »
There is a bit of an issue then, a FISA warrant would make it a legal wiretap (not saying right, saying legal)

We were told there was NO wiretapping. 

Then we were told there was no FISA order.

Then we find out Susan Rice lied about wiretapping due to the unmasking.

Now we find out that , in addition to the unmasking and wire tapping for political gain, the OBama appointed FISA court, in fact , did invoke wiretapping against the Trump campaign.

yeah.

Who else was wire tapped?  Cruz? Bush? Carson?  Ted Kennedy?  Feinstein ?
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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2017, 04:25:54 am »
A behind-the-scenes battle between the CIA and Congress erupted in public Tuesday as the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee accused the agency of breaking laws and breaching constitutional principles in an alleged effort to undermine the panel’s multi-year investigation of a controversial interrogation program.

Chairman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) accused the CIA of ­secretly removing documents, searching computers used by the committee and attempting to intimidate congressional investigators by requesting an FBI inquiry of their conduct — charges that CIA Director John Brennan disputed within hours of her appearance on the Senate floor.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/feinstein-cia-searched-intelligence-committee-computers/2014/03/11/982cbc2c-a923-11e3-8599-ce7295b6851c_story.html?utm_term=.cdd23928f284


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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2017, 02:14:47 pm »
BREAKING. A FISA Warrant Was Issued for a Member of Donald Trump’s Campaign Staff

One of the many controversies of the short presidency of Donald Trump has been the existence of a FISA warrant for electronic surveillance (NOT A WIRETAP) of Trump and/or members of his staff. This story was first floated by the less-than-credible Louise Mensch back in October. It is a story that was denied by former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. Now we know that Clapper was a liar (news flash), that at least one member of the Trump campaign was under FISA surveillance, and because of that surveillance, you can rest assured that at some point, Trump himself was also a subject of “incidental” surveillance. Obama might not have had his ear pressed against Donald Trump’s door but every conversation Trump has had with Carter Page since last summer, every text, every email, and every meeting has been recorded. Likewise for any other member of Trump’s campaign. And to the extent that Page visited Trump Tower, it was under surveillance.

More: http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017/04/11/breaking.-fisa-warrant-issued-member-donald-trumps-campaign-staff/?utm_content=buffercffd4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2017, 02:18:12 pm »
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It is a story that was denied by former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. Now we know that Clapper was a liar (news flash), that at least one member of the Trump campaign was under FISA surveillance,

Clapper is a liar! Comey is a liar! And for damned sure John Brennan is a LIAR!
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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2017, 02:57:53 pm »
Catherine Herridge (sp?) questioned Carter Page yesterday. he seemed very eager to testify.

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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2017, 03:09:49 pm »


Crickets on this thread.  Where is the outrage?

Why isnt Susan Rice and her accomplices not in jail?  Huma?
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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2017, 04:11:34 pm »
Crickets on this thread.  Where is the outrage?

Why isnt Susan Rice and her accomplices not in jail?  Huma?

The ability to multi task seems to be rare. Sadly, the networks still drive the cycle. And most of that is filled with blather.

Right now it's Jerry Rivers prognosticating about Russia and some chicks arguing with him. It's a classic BS session, broadcast nation wide.

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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2017, 04:26:33 pm »
Crickets on this thread.  Where is the outrage?

Why isnt Susan Rice and her accomplices not in jail?  Huma?

Well to be fair, I did post the "Nothing to see here" meme. People who otherwise might have posted outrage might have been scared off.

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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2017, 04:29:56 pm »
Crickets on this thread.  Where is the outrage?


Some of us figured this would end up being the case while the scoffers have moved on.

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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2017, 04:33:15 pm »
Well to be fair, I did post the "Nothing to see here" meme. People who otherwise might have posted outrage might have been scared off.


I think you were being sarcastic.  @Frank Cannon  you remain a national treasure.
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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2017, 04:35:50 pm »
Some of us figured this would end up being the case while the scoffers have moved on.

Spicer did say something stupid. That overrides govt' overreach and civil liberties being trampled any day.

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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2017, 04:37:13 pm »
CNN just now working it in. And Page to be on with Jake Tapper later today.

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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2017, 04:42:50 pm »
Spicer did say something stupid. That overrides govt' overreach and civil liberties being trampled any day.

So that's where they went...

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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2017, 04:43:05 pm »
Spicer did say something stupid. That overrides govt' overreach and civil liberties being trampled any day.

Bringing in 1940 Germany analogies is always perilous.   Any Trump spox is going have a pressure packed job.  Not because Trump is bad, but effective.

Under duress , it always tempting to reach for the *easy* analogies. 
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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2017, 04:43:33 pm »
CNN just now working it in. And Page to be on with Jake Tapper later today.

Rush is talking about this right now.  "Somebody asked the FBI to obtain a FISA warrant on Page."  Susan Rice, on behalf of Obama, no doubt.  But nothing will come of this.  Because it involves several Democrats.
   
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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2017, 04:44:57 pm »
Review of standards of probable cause for obtaining a FISA warrant

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https://epic.org/privacy/surveillance/fisa/

For U.S. persons, the FISC judge must find probable cause that one of four conditions has been met:

    (1) the target knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence activities on behalf of a foreign power which "may involve" a criminal law violation;

    (2) the target knowingly engages in other secret intelligence activities on behalf of a foreign power under the direction of an intelligence network and his activities involve or are about to involve criminal violations;

    (3) the target knowingly engages in sabotage or international terrorism or is preparing for such activities; or

    (4) the target knowingly aids or abets another who acts in one of the above ways.

An order of the FISC may approve electronic surveillance of an agent of a foreign power for ninety days and of a foreign power for a year. Extensions may be granted on the same terms.
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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2017, 04:46:52 pm »
Review of standards of probable cause for obtaining a FISA warrant

from

https://epic.org/privacy/surveillance/fisa/

For U.S. persons, the FISC judge must find probable cause that one of four conditions has been met:

    (1) the target knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence activities on behalf of a foreign power which "may involve" a criminal law violation;

    (2) the target knowingly engages in other secret intelligence activities on behalf of a foreign power under the direction of an intelligence network and his activities involve or are about to involve criminal violations;

    (3) the target knowingly engages in sabotage or international terrorism or is preparing for such activities; or

    (4) the target knowingly aids or abets another who acts in one of the above ways.

An order of the FISC may approve electronic surveillance of an agent of a foreign power for ninety days and of a foreign power for a year. Extensions may be granted on the same terms.

It would be interesting to see how many of the 9000 or so FISA warrants in the last few years actually met those standards.
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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2017, 04:49:28 pm »
Rush is talking about this right now.  "Somebody asked the FBI to obtain a FISA warrant on Page."  Susan Rice, on behalf of Obama, no doubt. But nothing will come of this.  Because it involves several Democrats.
 
That is a bizarre comment to make at this point in time and in light of the existing circumstances.

Senior moment?

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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2017, 04:52:05 pm »
That is a bizarre comment to make at this point in time and in light of the existing circumstances.

Senior moment?

Or understandable cynicism.

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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2017, 04:58:48 pm »
Lying under oath is called perjury! Perjury is a crime!

Several people have testified under oath that there were no FISA warrants!  Let's see where it goes from here.
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Re: FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2017, 05:01:38 pm »
Bringing in 1940 Germany analogies is always perilous. 

Well, it obviously trumps criminal activity to a few select posters on this board.