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Calling Good People "Racist" Isn't New: the Case of Ty Cobb
« on: April 04, 2017, 12:47:43 am »
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Ruining someone's name is very easy. So is calling them a "racist." Take the case of Ty Cobb, one of the greatest baseball players ever. Cobb is known as a racist and a dirty ballplayer. Is it true? Charles Leerhsen, author of "Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty" sets the record straight.
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Re: Calling Good People "Racist" Isn't New: the Case of Ty Cobb
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2017, 01:22:18 am »
Larry Elder was discussing this video from Prager U on his show today. No, Ty Cobb apparently wasn't the dirty nasty racist individual many of us heard about. I know Evening Star knows about this lecture.
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Calling Good People "Racist" Isn't New: the Case of Ty Cobb

PragerU ^ | April 3, 2017 | Charles Leerhsen

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Ruining someone's name is very easy. So is calling them a "racist." Take the case of Ty Cobb, one of the greatest baseball players ever. Cobb is known as a racist and a dirty ballplayer. Is it true? Charles Leerhsen, author of "Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty" sets the record straight.

https://www.prageru.com/courses/history/calling-good-people-racist-isnt-new-case-ty-cobb

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Re: Calling Good People "Racist" Isn't New: the Case of Ty Cobb
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2017, 01:26:05 pm »
The failure of major league baseball to integrate long before Jackie Robinson started playing for the Dodgers is somewhat of a mystery to me. People say that the general white population was not ready to see black players with white players.  But many white major leaguers barnstormed after the season frequently playing against black ball clubs.
And there were black boxing champions like Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson and others who fought and defeated white boxers.  There were no white riots when Joe Louis was trouncing white fighter after white fighter. Jesse Owens became a national hero at the '36 Olympics.  His teammates were mostly white.
So why the reluctance of baseball owners to hire black ballplayers?  I've read where Bill Veeck was planning on introducing black players before WWII, but the war put off his plans.  I also read a poll taken in the late thirties that the good majority of white Americans had no problem with integrating the game.
The history of major league baseball sure would have been a lot more interesting if they had integrated decades before.

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Re: Calling Good People "Racist" Isn't New: the Case of Ty Cobb
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The failure of major league baseball to integrate long before Jackie Robinson started playing for the Dodgers is somewhat of a mystery to me. People say that the general white population was not ready to see black players with white players.  But many white major leaguers barnstormed after the season frequently playing against black ball clubs.
And there were black boxing champions like Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson and others who fought and defeated white boxers.  There were no white riots when Joe Louis was trouncing white fighter after white fighter. Jesse Owens became a national hero at the '36 Olympics.  His teammates were mostly white.
So why the reluctance of baseball owners to hire black ballplayers?  I've read where Bill Veeck was planning on introducing black players before WWII, but the war put off his plans.  I also read a poll taken in the late thirties that the good majority of white Americans had no problem with integrating the game.
The history of major league baseball sure would have been a lot more interesting if they had integrated decades before.

Maybe the owners themselves were the ones standing in the way but it is pretty inexplicable.

Cobb didn't come from racism. His father was a Georgia state senator known for voting against legislation he deemed to be racist. He voted against a school funding bill that would separately tax black owned businesses to fund black schools.

Back in 2006 in Curtis Granderson's rookie year with the Tigers he chose to have one of his official photos taken in front of the Ty Cobb statue at Comerica park. During an interview with ESPN Granderson was asked why he chose the Cobb statue "Knowing the history". Granderson gave a great answer about not knowing or caring how much was true or legend and he wasn't going to beat up on a man who couldn't defend himself. He then pointed to the stats and said that Ty Cobb was the greatest baseball player to ever live and that alone was reason enough to chose the Ty Cobb statue.


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Re: Calling Good People "Racist" Isn't New: the Case of Ty Cobb
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2017, 05:39:10 pm »
Maybe the owners themselves were the ones standing in the way but it is pretty inexplicable.

Cobb didn't come from racism. His father was a Georgia state senator known for voting against legislation he deemed to be racist. He voted against a school funding bill that would separately tax black owned businesses to fund black schools.

Back in 2006 in Curtis Granderson's rookie year with the Tigers he chose to have one of his official photos taken in front of the Ty Cobb statue at Comerica park. During an interview with ESPN Granderson was asked why he chose the Cobb statue "Knowing the history". Granderson gave a great answer about not knowing or caring how much was true or legend and he wasn't going to beat up on a man who couldn't defend himself. He then pointed to the stats and said that Ty Cobb was the greatest baseball player to ever live and that alone was reason enough to chose the Ty Cobb statue.


Cobb was a great player, but not someone who went along with the times.  He detested  the development of the popularity of the long ball with Babe Ruth and others.  "Where's the science?" he supposedly said at the time.