Trump accused the Freedom Caucus of 'saving' Obamacare. Its leader said it's not over.

[Hoodat]

I support the responsible right.

You support the federal government dictating what insurers must cover (i.e. mandates).  You support Obamacare-lite.

[driftdiver]

We were NOT SOLD OUT.  We warned the vengent morons wanting Trump for King that their prince was going to push for Single Payer total top-on-down Government-run Healthcare.

They were duped fools who seig-heiled just another form of 'ism with the added ingredient of nationalist populist punishment for their perceive domestic enemies.

Which right now, is Conservatives who will not compromise their principles to accommodate Socialism. The vitriol and hatred being expressed for the FC and those who applaud their intransigence against creeping Marxism is more concentrated than it was for Obama.

We were not sold out.

We knew what Trump was and where he would take everything.

THEY - the Trump Faithful were the duped.

They bought the lie because they lied to themselves and believed it.  Trump was their messiah who was going to take us to the promised land, save the country and deliver us from illegals and ObamaCare.

Trump is simply going to save the country for a Uniparty embrace of the fundamental transformation Obama started - and he will call that 'winning'.

They voted for a con-man who deceived them that he was not the lifelong liberal NY Democrat we warned them he was all along.

@INVAR

Don't want to dredge up the garbage from election but we had two choices, Trump or Hillary.   Yes we could have cast a vote for a 3rd party or not voted but that doesn't change that there were only 2 people who had a chance of winning the general election.   I chose to vote against Hillary and still think what we have is better than her.

Its still a bad choice and we have to be on guard to limit his damage.

What we should really be doing is looking ahead 3 years to the next election.   If we could get someone more moderate it would be fantastic.   Maybe Pence is that guy.

I'd wager that Trump will be bored with being President by this fall and won't want to run for another 4.

[Hoodat]

Don't want to dredge up the garbage from election but we had two choices, Trump or Hillary.

We had two choices - Cruz or Trump.  Conservative or progressive.  This election was decided in the summer.

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver

That's a fair point.  I'm a woman, and I don't pretend to be a Vulcan.

I should have phrased it differently.  "I don't base my politics on emotion" is  more accurate.  I research, I learn, I judge candidates by their histories and their records.  I don't get into political crushes or idol worship.

@CatherineofAragon

I don't mean to quibble but every decision we make is an emotional decision.  Its how we are wired.  You research the issues because it makes you feel better about making the decision you make.  Im not saying you engage in idol worship but its a mistake to discount how much emotion actually controls our lives.

[Idaho_Cowboy]

I support the responsible right.  I fight the idiot right.

Hmm who was telling me the other side was getting caught up in labeling. Sheesh. 

[INVAR]

...this place has become a haven for bullying.

Says the resident Leftist who vowed to marginalize Conservatives because we are 'bigots' and promised to get me kicked off the board.

Projection is an art form with you people isn't it?

[driftdiver]

We had two choices - Cruz or Trump.  Conservative or progressive.  This election was decided in the summer.

@Hoodat

I was referring to the general election but you knew that.    Trump is a master at sales and marketing.   Cruz did what a lot of conservatives do, he expected to win based on logic and ideas.   Trump beat him with sleeze.  Trumps control of the media and use of internet trolls was masterful.

[Emjay]

@INVAR

Don't want to dredge up the garbage from election but we had two choices, Trump or Hillary.   Yes we could have cast a vote for a 3rd party or not voted but that doesn't change that there were only 2 people who had a chance of winning the general election.   I chose to vote against Hillary and still think what we have is better than her.

Its still a bad choice and we have to be on guard to limit his damage.

What we should really be doing is looking ahead 3 years to the next election.   If we could get someone more moderate it would be fantastic.   Maybe Pence is that guy.

I'd wager that Trump will be bored with being President by this fall and won't want to run for another 4.

You absolutely made the right choice.  Once Trump was nominated, there wasn't another choice.  I find it hard to have respect for people who thought it was better to vote for Hillary.

It's gonna be interesting to see what happens.  I didn't want Trump to fail.  I thought it would be bad for conservatives and America if he did.  I still think that.

I quoted Rush Limbaugh who said, "I hope he fails," when Obama was elected and Obama did fail but, in doing so, he was a disaster for the country.  If he hated America, he certainly got his revenge on us, mainly with Obamacare.  Obamacare failed but it took us down with it.

I'm still not hoping Trump fails.  I hope he rights the ship.  We shall see what we shall see.

[corbe]

   'Bullying' RIV may or may not have  occurred, I saw honest discussion that DID NOT involve insults, and now your quick trigger has brought the Mods in, thanks for nothing @Jazzhead

[NavyCanDo]

Does anyone really know where Trump stands on the bill? I have heard conflicting sound bites from him. While it was still alive he said it's a great bill and people are going to love it. Just after it was pulled to save face said he had problems with parts of the bill, shortly followed by the blame game sound bites.

[INVAR]

@INVAR

Don't want to dredge up the garbage from election but we had two choices, Trump or Hillary.

I never bought into that false paradigm.  When presented with two evils as the only 'choice', I will always opt for truth - and we had other choices, despite the claims we did not.

The country has been enslaved into a mindset that we are limited to one choice or the other to root for and cheer - because politics is become just another sporting event for so many invested in their 'team'.

I'm beholden to principles.  Not a person.  Not a team.

If the country wants to become another European haven of Socialism, they will do it without any help or aid from me.  I will stand on principle, even if I am the only one left standing on it.

I have a Higher Judge I am accountable to.

[MOD4]

Please.  Some of you are itching to cross the line of making this personal.  Truth is, some have.  Please debate this important topic and leave the personal barbs out of it.   Thanks.

[corbe]

We had two choices - Cruz or Trump.  Conservative or progressive.  This election was decided in the summer.

[XenaLee]

Then dispense with the insults yourself.   I think it's disgraceful how folks have turned on RIV.   Not that she needs help defending herself, but this place has become a haven for bullying.

Lol!  How rich with irony is that statement.....considering how closed-minded her track record for dealing with "differing opinions" has been (See: censoring and deleting of posts).  I have asked (publicly) for her to put me on ignore.  She refuses.  She wanted my attention?  She's got it.

[truth_seeker]

Then dispense with the insults yourself.   I think it's disgraceful how folks have turned on RIV.   Not that she needs help defending herself, but this place has become a haven for bullying.

Almost nothing about the specific details of the subject legislation, and just back-and-forth insults and name calling, for the 873rd time.

[Emjay]

I never bought into that false paradigm.  When presented with two evils as the only 'choice', I will always opt for truth - and we had other choices, despite the claims we did not.

The country has been enslaved into a mindset that we are limited to one choice or the other to root for and cheer - because politics is become just another sporting event for so many invested in their 'team'.

I'm beholden to principles.  Not a person.  Not a team.

If the country wants to become another European haven of Socialism, they will do it without any help or aid from me.  I will stand on principle, even if I am the only one left standing on it.

I have a Higher Judge I am accountable to.

I heard that same kind of crap from Ross Perot voters.  Even after they managed to get Clinton elected, they would parade around in t-shirts saying, "Don't Blame Me, I voted for Perot."

Self-righteousness may be emotionally satisfying but it ain't that great a virtue.

[XenaLee]

I support the responsible right.  I fight the idiot right.

Thus proving....  just because you don't self-identify as the idiot left....

doesn't mean you're not a party to their idiocy via your leftist stances on issues.

[LMAO]

I can understand the position the Freedom Caucus took and I can understand the position Ryan was in and what was realistic and not to achieve.

It sucks that we are in this position because the Democrats decided to ram through a bill no one read and now we are stuck with this monstrosity and the burden is now on the GOP to  find a way to try to fix the damage.

Once people become accustomed to getting something from the government, it's difficult to take it away. It's not just politics. It's human nature.  Nobody looks at our fiscal and economic situation and say, "Wow! That's not good. I'll give up my government freebies so my kids and grandkids don't get burdened with this in the future." They believe the other guy's freebies need to be cut

[txradioguy]

Then dispense with the insults yourself.   I think it's disgraceful how folks have turned on RIV.

Like you...RiV brings what happens on herself. 

Not that she needs help defending herself, but this place has become a haven for bullying.

Is that a step up or down from when you called this place a dump? 

[MOD4]

but this place has become a haven for bullying. 

That is not helpful.

[Jazzhead]

Thus proving....  just because you don't self-identify as the idiot left....

doesn't mean you're not a party to their idiocy via your leftist stances on issues.

My "leftist stance" is to repeal the mandates to allow smaller employers the liberty to begin hiring again,  short-circuit an open-ended entitlement program by means of block grants to the states,  and create room in the federal government's budgeting baseline - by means of replacing subsidies with refundable tax credits - to create room for pro-growth tax reform.

These things would all have been accomplished by the AHCA - except that the Freedom Caucus wouldn't take yes for an answer.   Rep. Poe - that "leftist" - agrees with me.   

[libertybele]

Does anyone really know where Trump stands on the bill? I have heard conflicting sound bites from him. While it was still alive he said it's a great bill and people are going to love it. Just after it was pulled to save face said he had problems with parts of the bill, shortly followed by the blame game sound bites.

Well, since you asked...where Trump stands on a number of issues, has always been a problem for me as it seems he tends to back pedal on issues.  He and many others specifically promised that Bammycare would be"repealed".  Obviously he must have approved of this bill or at least sided with this bill because he's been in essence threatening those in Congress to vote for it.  I don't see that as disapproval in any way.  Many of us saw his propensity to be a narcissistic demagogue as President and it appears we were absolutely correct.

[XenaLee]

My "leftist stance" is to repeal the mandates to allow smaller employers the liberty to begin hiring again,  short-circuit an open-ended entitlement program by means of block grants to the states,  and create room in the federal government's budgeting baseline - by means of replacing subsidies with refundable tax credits - to create room for pro-growth tax reform.

These things would all have been accomplished by the AHCA - except that the Freedom Caucus wouldn't take yes for an answer.   Rep. Poe - that "leftist" - agrees with me.

Except that.... the Freedom Caucus members were not the only Reps that wouldn't "take yes for an answer".   Yet, for 'some' reason, you choose to blame ONLY the Freedom Caucus.

Why is that?

[corbe]

I can understand the position the Freedom Caucus took and I can understand the position Ryan was in and what was realistic and not to achieve.

It sucks that we are in this position because the Democrats decided to ram through a bill no one read and now we are stuck with this monstrosity and the burden is now on the GOP to  find a way to try to fix the damage.

Once people become accustomed to getting something from the government, it's difficult to take it away. It's not just politics. It's human nature.

   Good points @LMAO but there are solutions to mitigate the damage, since most of those people are on Medicaid and will for all intents and purposes stay there, the Dems are gonna scream bloody murder no matter what, so we need to get this done, Repeal the damn thing already.

[txradioguy]

The fact of the matter is...the Obamacare-lite the House...with the aid of the Administration was trying to get passed...in the long run was no better than the train wreck original bill.

Killing funding for PP was a mirage...anything that got taken out of the ACA...this bill left it up to the HHS Secretary to have the ability to put them back in.

The Freedom Caucus stood on principles and stuck to the reason people put them in office in the first place...to get rid of Obamacare in all shapes and forms and to get government spending under control.

And now the members of the Uniparty in D.C. and their enablers across the land are going to excoriate the FC for doing the right thing for the American people.

And that is wrong no matter how you try to spin it or make excuses for it.