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Oh, go away.  I'm hoping to have intelligent discussions with intelligent people.  I do wish you'd stop interrupting @Sanguine

Hey!  I have a better idea.

Why don't you follow your own advice here (it was just advice, wasn't it? lolol).

Such a shame that you don't control who posts here and what they post any more, eh?
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Caving and compromising on crap legislation is what RINOs do.  It's what got us into this mess in the first place via letting the Democrats get away with far too much for far too long.  Somebody somewhere and at some time has got to take a stand.  Instead, it's open season (once again and per usual) on the very conservatives that take that stand.  Disgusting.

Its what RINOs do and it was what was going to end with the new administration.

Frankly I'm shocked to see those who assured us things were going to change now defending the status quo.

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Its what RINOs do and it was what was going to end with the new administration.

Frankly I'm shocked to see those who assured us things were going to change now defending the status quo.

I can't say that I'm shocked.  Dismayed, perhaps.  But I knew that even if America magically managed to keep Hillary out of the WH, it was still going to be no picnic for Americans with conservative values.  It is what it is.
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Oh....trust me.   Your presence offends a lot of folks here.  It's just that most of us on the right (real conservatives) are more tolerant than the idiot left ....or the people you call 'your friends'.   :laugh:

Oh,  rest assured, Xenalee, the idiot right is very well represented on this forum - and "tolerance" from these bozos is a cruel joke.   
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Unfortunately I fear it's going towards single payer which is where Trump wanted to take it all along.


Trump wants to solve problems.  He's no doubt bored by the conservative circle-jerk.  If he goes in the direction of single payer,  don't blame him, blame yourselves.   
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Trump wants to solve problems.  He's no doubt bored by the conservative circle-jerk.  If he goes in the direction of single payer,  don't blame him, blame yourselves.   

@Jazzhead, as I've pointed out several times earlier, there were only 15 CC members who were committed to voting no, and more rinos who were committed to voting no.  Factually, your circle-jerk doesn't hold up.

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Oh,  rest assured, Xenalee, the idiot right is very well represented on this forum - and "tolerance" from these bozos is a cruel joke.

Careful there, Jazzhead.   Your leftism is showing (ooops).

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Trump wants to solve problems.  He's no doubt bored by the conservative circle-jerk.  If he goes in the direction of single payer,  don't blame him, blame yourselves.   

Bullchit.   The blame is as it should be ....on him....since he is ON RECORD as being pro-single-payer all along.

But nice try.
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@Jazzhead, as I've pointed out several times earlier, there were only 15 CC members who were committed to voting no, and more rinos who were committed to voting no.  Factually, your circle-jerk doesn't hold up.

Louie Gohmert has also said that more non caucus members intended to vote against it than caucus members.

Im betting that if it had gone to a vote the numbers against would have been 50 or 60 no votes from republicans.

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Oh,  rest assured, Xenalee, the idiot right is very well represented on this forum - and "tolerance" from these bozos is a cruel joke.   

   straight to the insults, I see @Jazzhead I know you like ACA and it's red headed step child AHCA, let's debate that, surely you can win an argument with "idiots" and "bozos" without the name calling.
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   straight to the insults, I see @Jazzhead I know you like ACA and it's red headed step child AHCA, let's debate that, surely you can win an argument with "idiots" and "bozos" without the name calling.

You forgot "disgraceful knuckledraggers."  I'm disappointed he hasn't started calling us a Basket of Deplorables."
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Oh, good grief @txradioguy .  Had the FC supported this bill (in which many of their requests were met)...there's a pretty good chance the bill would now be in reconciliation with the Senate where more changes could have been made with more time build a larger coalition.

Ah, the pitfalls of making it up as you go.  It reveals you to be a complete fool.  The drawback to reconciliation is that no Senate changes can be made.

Here's an idea.  How about giving honesty a try for once?  It will set you free.
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Oh,  rest assured, Xenalee, the idiot right is very well represented on this forum - and "tolerance" from these bozos is a cruel joke.

The one thing I will not tolerate is lies.  Which is why I find myself responding to your posts with increasing frequency.
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Louie Gohmert has also said that more non caucus members intended to vote against it than caucus members.

Im betting that if it had gone to a vote the numbers against would have been 50 or 60 no votes from republicans.

And, that's why they didn't have the vote!  Talk about embarrassing x10!

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Which.... he's already stated that he'd be ok with.

Looks like we maybe have been sold out.... yet again.  Apparently, Kabuki Theatre is the only show in town in Trumpsville.  (and yet another Trojan Horse scenario for Americans)

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/28/trump-pushes-single-payer-healthcare-tax-increase-on-wealthy/

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-heart-healthcare-everybody/2016/01/31/id/712069/

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2015/sep/11/reid-ribble/donald-trump-wants-replace-obamacare-single-payer-/

We were NOT SOLD OUT.  We warned the vengent morons wanting Trump for King that their prince was going to push for Single Payer total top-on-down Government-run Healthcare.

They were duped fools who seig-heiled just another form of 'ism with the added ingredient of nationalist populist punishment for their perceive domestic enemies.

Which right now, is Conservatives who will not compromise their principles to accommodate Socialism. The vitriol and hatred being expressed for the FC and those who applaud their intransigence against creeping Marxism is more concentrated than it was for Obama.

We were not sold out.

We knew what Trump was and where he would take everything.

THEY - the Trump Faithful were the duped.

They bought the lie because they lied to themselves and believed it.  Trump was their messiah who was going to take us to the promised land, save the country and deliver us from illegals and ObamaCare.

Trump is simply going to save the country for a Uniparty embrace of the fundamental transformation Obama started - and he will call that 'winning'.

They voted for a con-man who deceived them that he was not the lifelong liberal NY Democrat we warned them he was all along.
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Oh, go away.  I'm hoping to have intelligent discussions with intelligent people.

AAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnndd - the mask drops a little and we are treated to the time-honored insult used by every Leftist out there.


"You are not intelligent, unless you agree with me".
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Trump on Obamacare (2/2016):

I like the mandate
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Ah, the pitfalls of making it up as you go.  It reveals you to be a complete fool.  The drawback to reconciliation is that no Senate changes can be made.


Here's an idea.  How about giving honesty a try for once?  It will set you free.

Funny/odd.... how she pretends to know so much.... when in reality, she knows so little.  Hmmm...now where have I heard that meme before...???




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Trump on Obamacare (2/2016):

I like the mandate

I'm starting to get a twinge of that Manchurian Candidate itchy/spidey sense here.....

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We were NOT SOLD OUT.  We warned the vengent morons wanting Trump for King that their prince was going to push for Single Payer total top-on-down Government-run Healthcare.

They were duped fools who seig-heiled just another form of 'ism with the added ingredient of nationalist populist punishment for their perceive domestic enemies.

Which right now, is Conservatives who will not compromise their principles to accommodate Socialism. The vitriol and hatred being expressed for the FC and those who applaud their intransigence against creeping Marxism is more concentrated than it was for Obama.

We were not sold out.

We knew what Trump was and where he would take everything.

THEY - the Trump Faithful were the duped.

They bought the lie because they lied to themselves and believed it.  Trump was their messiah who was going to take us to the promised land, save the country and deliver us from illegals and ObamaCare.

Trump is simply going to save the country for a Uniparty embrace of the fundamental transformation Obama started - and he will call that 'winning'.

They voted for a con-man who deceived them that he was not the lifelong liberal NY Democrat we warned them he was all along.

Well..... I was using the "royal we" re: that....lol.

Most Americans that voted against Hillary and therefore, for Trump....

were 'sold out' by their thinking that he would deliver us from Obamacare.  If they failed to research his previous stance or chose to believe that he was 'different now' and had changed...

that's on them.
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   straight to the insults, I see @Jazzhead I know you like ACA and it's red headed step child AHCA, let's debate that, surely you can win an argument with "idiots" and "bozos" without the name calling.

Then dispense with the insults yourself.   I think it's disgraceful how folks have turned on RIV.   Not that she needs help defending herself, but this place has become a haven for bullying. 
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Trump wants to solve problems.  He's no doubt bored by the conservative circle-jerk.  If he goes in the direction of single payer,  don't blame him, blame yourselves.   

I still believe that.  I think that Trump wants to solve problems and is easily bored.  That's not an option for being President.  In many ways, it is an essentially boring job.

I've continued to hope that after this first huge mistake and defeat, he would do a little introspection and re-visit his priorities.  Instead, so far, he's thrown a hissy fit and blamed everyone else.

But this is no little bitty thing.  It is maybe the thing that affects most Americans and has a devastating effect on us.

As Ted Cruz once said:
"First principle: Honor our promise. When you spend six years promising, “If only we get elected, we’ll repeal Obamacare,” you cannot renege on that promise. Failure is not an option. Breaking our word would be catastrophe. The voters would, quite rightly, never again trust Republicans to deliver on anything."

Ted was right.  As Always.  I'm holding off on giving up on Trump to see how he handles this after he's had a chance to get over the incredible annoyance of initial failure.

But Trump cannot fail us on this.
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Careful there, Jazzhead.   Your leftism is showing (ooops).

I support the responsible right.  I fight the idiot right.   
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