Trump accused the Freedom Caucus of 'saving' Obamacare. Its leader said it's not over.

[Cyber Liberty]

I like what Dan Calabrese over at Canada Free Press has to say.  "You've been promising this for the better part of 8 years, and you give up after 63 days?"

http://canadafreepress.com/article/thats-it-theyre-just-giving-up

Get back to work.  Write a better bill, the last one was slip-shod work.  This is too important to just give up.

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't accept the premise that most conservatives have such short attention spans.  I think many of the people who voted for him in the primaries wanted to indulge their anger.

I think after eight years of being mocked and watching Obastard take undeserved victory laps they just wanted to win, principles were of secondary importance.  They just wanted the damned Democrats the hell out.  Look at the massive sigh of relief that went out when it became certain Hillary Clinton lost it. 

[INVAR]

@INVAR
Most people (especially the younger generation) don't have the slightest idea of what you are talking about.   Because they have never been taught.

The truth is not diminished simply because they are ignorant of it.

The fact is that most put their faith and hope in men and politics and government to be their god, even if they are offended at the notion.  Too many look to government for everything.  Too many want to empower the government to do everything. 

I don't.  THAT is idolatry - and too many of this people idolize the Federal Beast and the tyranny they want to massage and make more palatable for the rest of us simpletons.

The principles Conservatives used to stand upon are today demanded to be compromised for votes to bring about a kinder, gentler Socialism.  That those principles are held in such contempt by so many who self-identify as Conservatives, is a harbinger that does not bode well for what remains of liberty to exist for much longer.

They can argue with that and declare I am a defeatist all the day long.  I'm speaking the truth, whether they would accept it as such or not.

[driftdiver]

The truth is not diminished simply because they are ignorant of it.

The fact is that most put their faith and hope in men and politics and government to be their god, even if they are offended at the notion.  Too many look to government for everything.  Too many want to empower the government to do everything. 

I don't.  THAT is idolatry - and too many of this people idolize the Federal Beast and the tyranny they want to massage and make more palatable for the rest of us simpletons.

The principles Conservatives used to stand upon are today demanded to be compromised for votes to bring about a kinder, gentler Socialism.  That those principles are held in such contempt by so many who self-identify as Conservatives, is a harbinger that does not bode well for what remains of liberty to exist for much longer.

They can argue with that and declare I am a defeatist all the day long.  I'm speaking the truth, whether they would accept it as such or not.

@INVAR
The truth is irrelevant if nobody knows it exists.    the winners write the school books as we have seen. 

[Jazzhead]

Get back to work.  Write a better bill, the last one was slip-shod work.  This is too important to just give up.

It wasn't slip-shod work.  It was carefully crafted by the GOP leadership to be acceptable to the entire GOP coalition - moderate to conservative.   Given the reality that Dems will not support any bill that "repeals" ObamaCare, it is a waste of time to continue to beat this dead horse if the Freedom Caucus is unwilling to respect the GOP leadership. 

It is time to move on to other priorities.  ObamaCare lives.   

[musiclady]

@INVAR
The truth is irrelevant if nobody knows it exists.    the winners write the school books as we have seen.

Wow.  I hope that idea doesn't drive your theology, @driftdiver .

You're in a heap of trouble if you don't acknowledge truth that other people can't or won't see......

[musiclady]

It wasn't slip-shod work.  It was carefully crafted by the GOP leadership to be acceptable to the entire GOP coalition - moderate to conservative.   Given the reality that Dems will not support any bill that "repeals" ObamaCare, it is a waste of time to continue to beat this dead horse if the Freedom Caucus is unwilling to respect the GOP leadership. 

It is time to move on to other priorities.  ObamaCare lives.

Cut it out, @Jazzhead . You're better than this.  Don't live down to other people's expectations of you.

They need to craft a better bill, and not this one that they jammed through to make some kind of point.

Obamacare "lived" in Trumpcare, and it needed to be scrapped.

Time to roll up their sleeves and do what they promised to do.  Get rid of the behemoth.

[INVAR]

The truth is irrelevant if nobody knows it exists.    the winners write the school books as we have seen.

The truth is there for everyone to see, read and understand. 

The fact is, the truth is hated, unwanted, despised and rejected for whatever 'new truths' men and their craftiness have to sell them.

No one is ignorant of the truth.  They choose to be so in favor of truths that assuage their human nature and thirst for power, control and domination.

[XenaLee]

Wow.  I hope that idea doesn't drive your theology, @driftdiver .

You're in a heap of trouble if you don't acknowledge truth that other people can't or won't see......

It's really nice that some here are into self-exposure of their real ideology...lol.

Truth doesn't matter or exist if everyone is dumbed down to it, IOW.

Wrong.... on SOOOOO many levels.   The truth always matters.  It's all that matters to some.  Apparently, not to others....tsk tsk.

[Cyber Liberty]

It wasn't slip-shod work.  It was carefully crafted by the GOP leadership to be acceptable to the entire GOP coalition - moderate to conservative.   

And like anything else crafted to appeal to all...it appeals to none.

It was slip-shod, despite your affection for it.  You would think that for something they'd been promising for 7-8 years they'd have worked on it harder than 63 days, but the fact they've given up (and then blamed somebody else) just tells me they were never serious about repealing Obamacare.

[musiclady]

It's really nice that some here are into self-exposure of their real ideology...lol.

Truth doesn't matter or exist if everyone is dumbed down to it, IOW.

Wrong.... on SOOOOO many levels.   The truth always matters.  It's all that matters to some.  Apparently, not to others....tsk tsk.

Kinda scary, ain't it??  To put in black and white that the truth is irrelevant if...... anything!

[roamer_1]

The truth is irrelevant if nobody knows it exists.    the winners write the school books as we have seen.

@driftdiver

No, the truth is all that matters, whether folks are ignorant of it or not... Because the truth will out.
Sooner or later, folks will come to understand that the arguments on these pages that discount Conservative principles are nothing more than a disagreement on the size of one's chains.

There s no third way. There is no other way. There is only one truth.

@INVAR

[Jazzhead]

Cut it out, @Jazzhead . You're better than this.  Don't live down to other people's expectations of you.

They need to craft a better bill, and not this one that they jammed through to make some kind of point.

Obamacare "lived" in Trumpcare, and it needed to be scrapped.

Time to roll up their sleeves and do what they promised to do.  Get rid of the behemoth.

It's a waste of time at this point, musiclady.   As one poster has said,  there's no middle ground that will satisfy both GOP moderates and conservatives.   And the Freedom Caucus won't respect party leadership enough to compromise in the short term for long term gain.  We've got a rump faction of obstructionists, musiclady.  I see no way to resurrect an ACA repeal-and-replace based only on the GOP coalition.   That coalition was kicked to the curb by the Freedom Caucus.   

I'm with Trump on this one - his time is best spent on priorities that the GOP coalition can unite on, or priorities where a coalition of Reps and Dems can be assembled.   ObamaCare isn't one of them, so ObamaCare lives.

Deal with it.   

[skeeter]

It's a waste of time at this point, musiclady.   As one poster has said,  there's no middle ground that will satisfy both GOP moderates and conservatives.   And the Freedom Caucus won't respect party leadership enough to compromise in the short term for long term gain.    The Freedom Caucus got what it wanted, and so did the Dems.  We've got a rump faction of obstructionists, musiclady.  I see no way to resurrect an ACA repeal-and-replace based only on the GOP coalition.   That coalition was kicked to the curb by the Freedom Caucus.   

I'm with Trump on this one - his time is best spent on priorities that the GOP coalition can unite on, or priorities where a coalition of Reps and Dems can be assembled.   ObamaCare isn't one of them, so ObamaCare lives.

Deal with it.   

It's not hot enough for our courageous congresspeople.

We voters will just have to turn up the heat some more.

It won't be members of the freedom caucus with puckered sphincters on Election Day.

[musiclady]

It's a waste of time at this point, musiclady.   As one poster has said,  there's no middle ground that will satisfy both GOP moderates and conservatives.   And the Freedom Caucus won't respect party leadership enough to compromise in the short term for long term gain.  We've got a rump faction of obstructionists, musiclady.  I see no way to resurrect an ACA repeal-and-replace based only on the GOP coalition.   That coalition was kicked to the curb by the Freedom Caucus.   

I'm with Trump on this one - his time is best spent on priorities that the GOP coalition can unite on, or priorities where a coalition of Reps and Dems can be assembled.   ObamaCare isn't one of them, so ObamaCare lives.

Deal with it.   

I pretty much disagree with every single word you posted here.  It's emotional nonsense, IMO, completely divorced from reality.

Deal with it.

[Jazzhead]

And like anything else crafted to appeal to all...it appeals to none.

It was slip-shod, despite your affection for it.  You would think that for something they'd been promising for 7-8 years they'd have worked on it harder than 63 days, but the fact they've given up (and then blamed somebody else) just tells me they were never serious about repealing Obamacare.

GOP leadership didn't "give up" - they expended tremendous political capital only to be disrespected by a rump faction.   Unfortunately,  in the absence of Dem cooperation,  that rump faction can essentially veto GOP priorities.   

That's the way it goes, folks.  Kiss it goodbye.   Now on to tax reform, and the same dilemma will present itself - GOP needs to be unified or nothing gets done.   

[Jazzhead]

I pretty much disagree with every single word you posted here.  It's emotional nonsense, IMO, completely divorced from reality.

Deal with it.

Reality is that without GOP unity, nothing can get done.  Do you deny it?    WHY SHOULD TRUMP WASTE HIS TIME on this endeavor when unity cannot be achieved?   

[Cyber Liberty]

GOP leadership didn't "give up" - they expended tremendous political capital only to be disrespected by a rump faction.   Unfortunately,  in the absence of Dem cooperation,  that rump faction can essentially veto GOP priorities.   

That's the way it goes, folks.  Kiss it goodbye.   Now on to tax reform, and the same dilemma will present itself - GOP needs to be unified or nothing gets done.

Unify around the leftists, you mean.  No need to thank me, I'm just filling in gaps here, toward better understanding.

[Cyber Liberty]

It's not hot enough for our courageous congresspeople.

We voters will just have to turn up the heat some more.

It won't be members of the freedom caucus with puckered sphincters on Election Day.

The leftists always think they have the upper hand, and superior intellect, no matter how badly they get beaten or how foolish they are made to realize.

[musiclady]

Reality is that without GOP unity, nothing can get done.  Do you deny it?    WHY SHOULD TRUMP WASTE HIS TIME on this endeavor when unity cannot be achieved?   

Why the turnaround on Trump, Jazz?  He's still a liar and a cheat, and on both sides of every issue out there.  Why take his side (if he even has one)?

GOP unity can be achieved with good leadership, and the common goal of removing Obamacare.  IF Ryan and Trump actually believe in that (Ryan may, Trump doesn't), then why don't they exercise some leadership and do some convincing rather than try to pass a liberal monstrosity?

It's THEIR job to make it work.  They were chosen to LEAD.  It's only over if TRUMP and RYAN want to keep Obamacare, or Obamacare II.

The LC wants to do what they were elected to do.  Ryan should help them by crafting an intelligent bill to repeal the government stranglehold over our health and very lives, and Trump, in his infinite wisdom, should sign it.

It can only be done if Trump decides to be honest and do what he claimed (every other time he claimed something), and lead a Republican Congress to fulfill its promise, and if Ryan does the nitty gritty work to get it done.

Blaming the LC for Ryan's and Trump's abject failure is irrational.  And blaming them for keeping Obamacare borders on insanity.

[INVAR]

Reality is that without GOP unity, nothing can get done.  Do you deny it?    WHY SHOULD TRUMP WASTE HIS TIME on this endeavor when unity cannot be achieved?   

There is NO UNITY to be had with the GOP because THEY like YOU want unity with Marxist Leftists running the Democrat Party.

Light has no part with darkness, but I am sure we will hear all kinds of justifications what that must be made so.

[skeeter]

The leftists always think they have the upper hand, and superior intellect, no matter how badly they get beaten or how foolish they are made to realize.

In the meantime the party that represents them is a shambles.

GOPe seems determined to follow them down to destruction no matter how hard we try to save them.

[mountaineer]

Why the turnaround on Trump, Jazz? 

Because Jazzy doesn't really agree with anything Republicans - of any stripe - ever do, maybe.   

[Bigun]

Because Jazzy doesn't really agree with anything Republicans - of any stripe - ever do, maybe.   

That fact dawned on me weeks ago.

[skeeter]

That fact dawned on me weeks ago.

Conservatives cannot parley with those who believe not that government has no business running our lives, but that it naturally should and the only question is to what extent.

There is no basis for discussion with them.