Here we go: Trump now ready to work with Democrats on health-care fix

[roamer_1]

I'm in safe territory...central Virginia, redneck country.

@CatherineofAragon

But of course!

There are exceptions to the rule, though.  Mark Levin was born in NYC, I think.

You'll note I gave you 'pretty good odds', allowing for the rare authentic Conservative. The exception, I think, proves the rule.

Mark R. Levin‏Verified account @marklevinshow  17h17 hours ago

 AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE FREEDOM CAUCUS - ACTUALLY, A MERE 18 CONSERVATIVES - FOR PROTECTING THE COUNTRY FROM A DISASTROUS RINOCARE BILL.

AMEN!

[INVAR]

Meaning you don't play with yourself, I guess.  Which is nice in a "keeping your eyesight" sort of way, but blatant hypocrisy otherwise.

I tend to avoid any interaction with you -- I rarely even read your rants -- precisely because of the way you behave.  Trying to get past your attitude just isn't worth the trouble.

Ask me if I care.  If you cannot get past the 'tone' to the substance of what I'm saying, then you definitely should not read anything I post.

[r9etb]

Ask me if I care.  If you cannot get past the 'tone' to the substance of what I'm saying, then you definitely should not read anything I post.

Whatever.  I'm really not interested in the "substance" of what you're saying, because of the hip-deep crap I'd have to wade through to get there.  Not worth the trouble.

If you want to be seen as anything more than a crank, a modicum of good manners would go a long way toward helping you out. 

Moreover, the thinking time required to practice good manners would probably moderate some of the idiocies your bad temper makes you type.

Just a bit of advice -- which you unfortunately will ignore.

[roamer_1]

The people talking about "repeal" don't seem to be talking about a sunset provision, so I'll have to disagree with you a bit.  Nevertheless, I think my general point is sound: you see it all the time here at TBR -- enact my principles, and to heck with those leeches who are stealing my money.

Nah. Money's just a way of keeping score. It's about liberty. Individualism. Taking care of your own. The nanny state prevents all of that, in the same way as the guy in the van offering children candy.

The idea of a sunset provision is appealing, but as a matter of political reality that would lead to a solution that leans heavily on "replacement," rather than "repeal."  I actually don't have too big a problem with that, so long as the needle moves in the right direction.  But I wonder if the Freedom Caucus guys would go along with it.

Such a sunset clause IS repeal. It is automatic and unstoppable. And of course the Freedom Caucus would go for it. I don't think anyone sees it overturned overnight. Shoot, It will take half a year to a year just for the insurance companies to find equilibrium, and normalize their policies.

The problem is stretching it past that to 3 years, where simply losing a house in the election might well stop or reverse it, and certainly, CERTAINLY not 5 years, which is just a way for everyone to say they did it without it did at all. A reasonable, committed disassembly is perfectly acceptable, and very possible if written into the repeal. AS LONG AS IT IS A COMPLETE REPEAL. Not a vestige left.

Keep your promises.

[Sanguine]

You're fighting a losing battle, @Jazzhead.  You're trying to change perceptions, and that's not easy to do.
.....

No, he's trying to change the facts to fit his preconceptions.

[INVAR]

If you want to be seen as anything more than a crank, a modicum of good manners would go a long way toward helping you out.

Right, because 'being nice' and placating Statists and Leftists has worked out so well in the recent past.

I don't care how I am seen by men.

I call things what they are, and I fully expect to be hated for it.

In fact, I embrace it.

[musiclady]

*SIGH*

@musiclady

All y'all just need to pick up and move to Jesusland... Then I can go back to the normative 'East of the Mississippi and north of the Mason-Dixon Line'... I already had to eat Chicago and Detroit...And Anne Arbor, for Pete's sake...

@roamer_1


hehe..................... my role here is to cause trouble.   :dx1:


Not moving south.  I like seasons that act like seasons.  Summer Fall Winter Spring

Jesus created them, and I'm enjoying them.  ^-^

[r9etb]

Nah. Money's just a way of keeping score. It's about liberty. Individualism. Taking care of your own. The nanny state prevents all of that, in the same way as the guy in the van offering children candy.

As I was saying....  Liberty, individualism, taking care of your own -- they all sound fine until you run up against a policy that causes somebody's mother to lose coverage.  We forget that at our political peril.

Such a sunset clause IS repeal. It is automatic and unstoppable. And of course the Freedom Caucus would go for it. I don't think anyone sees it overturned overnight. Shoot, It will take half a year to a year just for the insurance companies to find equilibrium, and normalize their policies.

But again: the political realities are probably against this, because the implication is that after two years there are people who will be left with nothing.  The necessary political compromise would result in some measure to prevent that from happening -- some level of replacement, rather than outright repeal -- while at the same time reducing the scope of such replacement.  It would move the needle in our direction; but I still wonder if the Freedom Caucus could be persuaded to accept such a compromise.  I think a compromise of that sort could become effective in a couple of years.

The problem is stretching it past that to 3 years, where simply losing a house in the election might well stop or reverse it, and certainly, CERTAINLY not 5 years, which is just a way for everyone to say they did it without it did at all. A reasonable, committed disassembly is perfectly acceptable, and very possible if written into the repeal. AS LONG AS IT IS A COMPLETE REPEAL. Not a vestige left.

Whereas I think that insistence on "COMPLETE REPEAL" would probably help to ensure a Democrat majority in 2018 in at least one house.  We've already seen how it would be used as a specific example that the Democrats could use as they run against the general political noxiousness of the Trump administration.

[bigheadfred]

All right, people.

It isn't the posters here. Not their perceptions. Their views, their ideas, or the manner in which they are stated.

The problem is Congress.

They annihiliated my healthcare. I don't have any insurance. And I am not going to even have the chance for some time to come.

I appreciate all of what you have to say, even though there is cringing and gnashing of teeth at times.

I am giving Congress, every one of them, the Roman thumb down. They can go to hell.

[skeeter]

All right, people.

It isn't the posters here. Not their perceptions. Their views, their ideas, or the manner in which they are stated.

The problem is Congress.

They annihiliated my healthcare. I don't have any insurance. And I am not going to even have the chance for some time to come.

I appreciate all of what you have to say, even though there is cringing and gnashing of teeth at times.

I am giving Congress, every one of them, the Roman thumb down. They can go to hell.

I concur BHF. And I share your predicament.

All of the arguing is just so much noise when you've lost your insurance. It becomes personal.

[r9etb]

I concur BHF. And I share your predicament.

All of the arguing is just so much noise when you've lost your insurance. It becomes personal.

@skeeter
@bigheadfred

And it's hard to dig out of a hole like that without help.  The question for you guys is, what should "help" look like?

[XenaLee]

Ask me if I care.  If you cannot get past the 'tone' to the substance of what I'm saying, then you definitely should not read anything I post.

The hypocrisy and irony is rich with this one.  While preaching to you about bad manners (always seen in others, never in himself, natch).... he/she/it/whatever proceeds to insult you (passive aggressively, of course) with every post he/she/it/whatever makes.  Using the olde "I don't usually read or respond to your posts, but...." BS.... and then proceeding to harangue you throughout this thread.

You must have been getting too close to the target, eh?

[kevindavis007]

@roamer_1




Mark R. Levin‏Verified account @marklevinshow  17h17 hours ago

 AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE FREEDOM CAUCUS - ACTUALLY, A MERE 18 CONSERVATIVES - FOR PROTECTING THE COUNTRY FROM A DISASTROUS RINOCARE BILL.

It is real easy for people like Levin to govern from behind the microphone.

[Sanguine]

It is real easy for people like Levin to govern from behind the microphone.

Do you really think so?  It's always hard to take an unpopular stand.

[Cyber Liberty]

All right, people.

It isn't the posters here. Not their perceptions. Their views, their ideas, or the manner in which they are stated.

The problem is Congress.

They annihiliated my healthcare. I don't have any insurance. And I am not going to even have the chance for some time to come.

I appreciate all of what you have to say, even though there is cringing and gnashing of teeth at times.

I am giving Congress, every one of them, the Roman thumb down. They can go to hell.

This is why I get really sick of the crap that comes from the faces of "brilliant theoreticians." 

[INVAR]

The problem is Congress.

Not just Congress, but a people who WANT Communism/Statism and attempt to reason with us that this is a necessary political reality we must accept if we want to 'win' anytime in the future.

It fits the adage that America could survive a tyrant, but it cannot survive the millions of fools who make him their prince.

The majority WANT Communism. 

The arguments happening now are about how Conservatives must compromise and capitulate to that 'reality' or face extinction.

[XenaLee]

Not just Congress, but a people who WANT Communism/Statism and attempt to reason with us that this is a necessary political reality we must accept if we want to 'win' anytime in the future.

It fits the adage that America could survive a tyrant, but it cannot survive the millions of fools who make him their prince.

The majority WANT Communism. 

The arguments happening now are about how Conservatives must compromise and capitulate to that 'reality' or face extinction.

Ergo, that "Give me liberty or give me death" saying.  It has even more meaning now, in this era and political environment, IMO.

[INVAR]

The hypocrisy and irony is rich with this one.  While preaching to you about bad manners (always seen in others, never in himself, natch).... he/she/it/whatever proceeds to insult you (passive aggressively, of course) with every post he/she/it/whatever makes.  Using the olde "I don't usually read or respond to your posts, but...." BS.... and then proceeding to harangue you throughout this thread.

You must have been getting too close to the target, eh?

Defending Liberalism and Statism and those espousing it seems to be the prevailing motivation, though couching it in the disdain of 'my tone' even though they admitted they do not read anything I post.

Convoluted logic used to be the hallmark of Liberals, I guess the disease has spread.

[Jazzhead]

Ergo, that "Give me liberty or give me death" saying.  It has even more meaning now, in this era and political environment, IMO.

Kind of an ironic sentiment for those who resent the ACA mandate to purchase health insurance.   Death may well be the direct result of your exercise of foolish liberty.     

[INVAR]

Kind of an ironic sentiment for those who resent the ACA mandate to purchase health insurance.   Death may well be the direct result of your exercise of foolish liberty.     

All Communists and Statists call liberty 'foolish'.

You keep revealing what you are and then get all bent out of shape when you are called on it.

[XenaLee]

Defending Liberalism and Statism and those espousing it seems to be the prevailing motivation, though couching it in the disdain of 'my tone' even though they admitted they do not read anything I post.

Convoluted logic used to be the hallmark of Liberals, I guess the disease has spread.

Convoluted logic sounds like an oxymoron to me.... since it implies no logic at all (if it has to be convoluted).  And yeah, that's liberals all over.

[skeeter]

@skeeter
@bigheadfred

And it's hard to dig out of a hole like that without help.  The question for you guys is, what should "help" look like?

The government dug the hole I'm in. I suppose 'help' to me would look like them getting the hell out of my life. Or healthcare system, at least.

But everyone tells me thats impossible now. So I suppose I'm screwed.

[roamer_1]

Not moving south.  I like seasons that act like seasons.  Summer Fall Winter Spring

Jesus created them, and I'm enjoying them.  ^-^

@musiclady

Well you could head west. Although I must admit, fall in a deciduous forest is a wonderland. The Taiga won't give you that... It's pretty here in the fall, but back east is spectacular. But I wouldn't trade the majesty of these Rocky Mountains for anything.

[XenaLee]

Kind of an ironic sentiment for those who resent the ACA mandate to purchase health insurance.   Death may well be the direct result of your exercise of foolish liberty.   

Yeah....well..... like I said to another "similar-minded" member the other day....

good thing our nation's founding and survival in the early days didn't depend upon folks that think like you do.  And I can't even imagine what they (the founders) would have thought about government forcing people to purchase something even back then.  It's inconceivable.  Or should be.

[INVAR]

The government dug the hole I'm in. I suppose 'help' to me would look like them getting the hell out of my life. Or healthcare system, at least.

But everyone tells me thats impossible now. So I suppose I'm screwed.

You are supposed to rejoice that government is there to help and cry aloud "Thank you!  May we please have another!"

Because you know - Communism is political reality and we have to compromise with it.