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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #300 on: March 24, 2017, 07:22:28 pm »
We are dealing with a person who is spewing Communist/Hedonist/Anti-Christian ideology on a Conservative forum who insists and pretends to be a Conservative.  As is self evidenced by the efforts so many have made here to 'reason' with him, we are dealing with an unreasonable pusher and advocate for evil - both in political ideology as well as morality.

I'm curious why we should 'dial back' attacking his statements, positions, posts and replies?

We lost this entire culture by refusing to engage and destroy ideas anathema to our fundamental liberties.  It would be a form of suicide to think this board could not suffer the same fate from those who have told us they intend to purge it of the "kind of Conservatives" that most of us are.

If I understand the rule correctly, I think it's OK to point out the problems with his positions, but they don't want us calling each other "evil" or "un-Christian."
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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #301 on: March 24, 2017, 07:33:41 pm »
If I understand the rule correctly, I think it's OK to point out the problems with his positions, but they don't want us calling each other "evil" or "un-Christian."

Socialism, Communism, Statism, Abortion, Homosexuality which are core issues Leftists like to push upon everyone to be accepted as good, are evil.  Plain.  Simple.  Evil.  Incompatible with liberty or the Constitution that governs a free people.  That ideology and mindset is wholly unbiblical and unChristian, yet from a person who ridicules the bible and the morality that it teaches - we are said to be the ones that are evil and unChristian.
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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #302 on: March 24, 2017, 07:36:38 pm »
Socialism, Communism, Statism, Abortion, Homosexuality which are core issues Leftists like to push upon everyone to be accepted as good, are evil.  Plain.  Simple.  Evil.  Incompatible with liberty or the Constitution that governs a free people.  That ideology and mindset is wholly unbiblical and unChristian, yet from a person who ridicules the bible and the morality that it teaches - we are said to be the ones that are evil and unChristian.

I can't argue with that.  The note upthread from the Mod applies to us all, including JH.
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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #303 on: March 24, 2017, 07:41:20 pm »
You don't get to define what's "Christian."  This post of your is about the most noxious in a rather large stack of posts from you.

And INVAR does?   Do you see the filth he spews at me post after post?   I am evil, wicked, godless, communist, a baby killer, you name it.  Just because I disagree with him and a few others on this board about politics and public policy! 

INVAR is a disgrace.  And so are you.     

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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #304 on: March 24, 2017, 07:45:04 pm »
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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #305 on: March 24, 2017, 07:45:48 pm »
Come on guys.

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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #306 on: March 24, 2017, 07:46:21 pm »
Thread locked for now.

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« Reply #307 on: March 24, 2017, 07:46:35 pm »
Good grief.
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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #308 on: March 24, 2017, 07:47:12 pm »
Locked? Are you sure? :tongue2:
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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #309 on: March 24, 2017, 07:47:48 pm »
You guys are too fast for me.

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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #310 on: March 24, 2017, 07:58:48 pm »
And INVAR does?   Do you see the filth he spews at me post after post?   I am evil, wicked, godless, communist, a baby killer, you name it.  Just because I disagree with him and a few others on this board about politics and public policy! 

INVAR is a disgrace.  And so are you.     

Let's see:
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Invar +Jazzhead +evil = no results https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Agopbriefingroom.com+%22Invar+%2BJazzhead+%2Bevil%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Invar +Jazzhead +wicked = no results https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Agopbriefingroom.com+%22Invar+%2BJazzhead+%2Bwicked%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Invar +Jazzhead +godless = no results https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Agopbriefingroom.com+%22Invar+%2BJazzhead+%2Bgodless%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

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Hmmmm...

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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #311 on: March 24, 2017, 10:24:36 pm »
@Jazzhead

Still waiting for you to identify that wording in the Constitution that prohibits the members of a society from establishing their own laws concerning abortion and marriage.
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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #312 on: March 24, 2017, 10:30:00 pm »
Healthcare is a specialized service few are capable of performing properly.  You'll end up with terrible results if few are asked to do more or the unqualified are brought into the fold.
I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #313 on: March 24, 2017, 10:32:58 pm »
@Jazzhead

Still waiting for you to identify that wording in the Constitution that prohibits the members of a society from establishing their own laws concerning abortion and marriage.

Good luck.  All I can find are emanations of penumbras.  You know, nuance that only really smart leftists can understand. 
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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #314 on: March 24, 2017, 11:59:42 pm »
Are you advocating for single payer or what? Those advocating for single payer need to understand the scale of the taxation involved. My brother married a German woman and I was talking to her friends. They pay very close to 50% of their taxes to the government over there.

You will never get Americans to agree to pay 50% of their taxes to the government.

With income tax, property tax and sales tax I easily pay over 50% in taxes right there - and then there's all those buried taxes in all the services/products you buy. Phones, power, gas, water, cars, gas, registrations, licenses, permits you name it. It is death by a thousand cuts.

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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #315 on: March 25, 2017, 12:02:47 am »
And INVAR does?   Do you see the filth he spews at me post after post? 

Oh yes.  Quoting the scriptures is such filth according to you.   

And quoting Bob Dylan is an exercise in holiness by comparison.

I am evil, wicked, godless, communist, a baby killer, you name it.

Promoting and pushing homosexuality,  depriving one of private property and freedom to exercise their religion, mandating robbery via the government to provide health insurance as a 'right' and insisting that death camps for Infants must remain open and accessible is most certainly evil, wicked, godless and Communist.  Not to mention your defense of Islam.

Just because I disagree with him and a few others on this board about politics and public policy!

There is a difference between disagreement, and pushing an agenda and ideas hostile and anathema to what Conservatism stands for while pretending to be that which you, by your own words are not.

INVAR is a disgrace.  And so are you.     

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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #316 on: March 25, 2017, 12:05:06 am »
   Comeon Guys, they already shut this thing down once.
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« Reply #317 on: March 25, 2017, 12:54:11 am »
Can someone explain to me why killing obamacare is causing so much grief? All I've seen is people complaining about its existence. Kill it. What is the harm?
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« Reply #319 on: March 25, 2017, 01:01:49 am »
Can someone explain to me why killing obamacare is causing so much grief? All I've seen is people complaining about its existence. Kill it. What is the harm?

  My best guess @bigheadfred is that the Lobbyist representing the Insurance companies, Doctors, Hospitals, Equipment Manufacturers and the Pharmaceutical companies were there for even more favorable treatment and GOV handouts.  Hell, even the AMA and AARP was against it.
   But I have been wrong on many occasions.
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« Reply #320 on: March 25, 2017, 01:08:48 am »
  My best guess @bigheadfred is that the Lobbyist representing the Insurance companies, Doctors, Hospitals, Equipment Manufacturers and the Pharmaceutical companies were there for even more favorable treatment and GOV handouts.  Hell, even the AMA and AARP was against it.
   But I have been wrong on many occasions.

Right. No reason to keep it.

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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #321 on: March 25, 2017, 01:27:16 am »
   Comeon Guys, they already shut this thing down once.


Should we just ignore and pretend Communism, wickedness and evil isn't what it is for the sake of keeping a thread from getting shut down?

Everything JH has opined on this thread is rooted in Leftist ideology and the talking points he spews are right out of the Democrat/Marxist playbook.  Witness:

I agree with Cuban -  insurance for chronic illnesses and serious injury should be available to all.   And financed by general tax revenues,  then it's paid for by all,  and does away with the current distortions that equate affordable health insurance with the good fortune of working for a large employer...

Such a change helps the poor,  and helps employers be more competitive with their overseas counterparts whose employees get health insurance through general taxation,  not their employer's bottom line.

If you get sick, you can die.  Is that the "natural liberty" you're so keen to preserve? 
Average Americans can no longer tolerate our system where SHEER LUCK determines whether a catastrophic illness brings bankruptcy and ruin.

Security against financial ruin due to ill health should likewise be provided for by means of broad-based taxes.   

I like what I think Mark Cuban is advocating -  provide by means of broad-based taxes basic protections for all citizens against financial ruin with respect to medical catastrophe -  serious injury and chronic illness.   Perhaps just simple taxpayer-funded "stop loss" insurance that would pick up when a citizen's total medical expenses exceed a threshold amount.

The current luck-based system is flawed at its core.   Now's as good a time as any to fix it.

... we already have the right to health care paid for by others.   ...broad-based taxes are at least a lot fairer than placing the cost only on that segment of the community that plays by the rules. ...I'd rather that burden be shared more fairly by means of broad-based taxes.

The community is, thankfully, less selfish than you. ...Something that's a benefit to the entire community should be paid for by the entire community.   

I have no ideological aversion to government involvement in health care financing.

There's quite a difference between the community deciding to create a system of insurance to address income security in old age, and the community deciding to take away the Constitutional rights of disfavored individuals.

That's just the first few pages of this thread. 

Is what he typed not pure unabashed, unadulterated Communism?  Did he not attempt to dress it up as 'Conservative pragmatism'??

These are things you hear come out of Nancy Pelosi's maw, or Obama's.  I'm waiting for the post to soon come wherein JH will lecture us about income inequality and about how empowering government to mandate fairness is a good thing. 

He's pushing an agenda which countermands everything we subscribe to as an ideology and belief system.

Communism is evil.  It is anathema to liberty and incompatible with the Constitutional system set up to prevent government from becoming a meddlesome tyranny - which this poster blatantly advocates. 

I am perfectly fine and good with his posting his Leftist propaganda here, as often as he likes.  I think we should simply call it what it is and stop mincing words about it to pretend it isn't what it is.



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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #322 on: March 25, 2017, 01:44:03 am »
I think what they are asking @INVAR is to go ahead and call it out, but couch it in more couched terms.

Like:

"Apparently the lack of understanding on a particular poster's part leaves them to corrupted and immoral thought and practices that I oppose."

Instead of:

"Jane, you ignorant slut."

I think most of us would understand. My two sense.

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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #323 on: March 25, 2017, 02:01:28 am »

Should we just ignore and pretend Communism, wickedness and evil isn't what it is for the sake of keeping a thread from getting shut down?

Everything JH has opined on this thread is rooted in Leftist ideology and the talking points he spews are right out of the Democrat/Marxist playbook.  Witness:

That's just the first few pages of this thread. 

Is what he typed not pure unabashed, unadulterated Communism?  Did he not attempt to dress it up as 'Conservative pragmatism'??

These are things you hear come out of Nancy Pelosi's maw, or Obama's.  I'm waiting for the post to soon come wherein JH will lecture us about income inequality and about how empowering government to mandate fairness is a good thing. 

He's pushing an agenda which countermands everything we subscribe to as an ideology and belief system.

Communism is evil.  It is anathema to liberty and incompatible with the Constitutional system set up to prevent government from becoming a meddlesome tyranny - which this poster blatantly advocates. 

I am perfectly fine and good with his posting his Leftist propaganda here, as often as he likes.  I think we should simply call it what it is and stop mincing words about it to pretend it isn't what it is.





   Of course not @INVAR I'm not advocating that at all and I know from experience, like most here, that have debated @Jazzhead , that it is an exercise in futility. 
   No one is gonna change HIS mind and I don't see him changing anyone's mind here, particularly when he starts hurling out the insults (which, in fairness, others do also).

   In conclusion:  In a fair and just world perhaps we'd just lock him up or shot him (just kidding JH) but alas we are in myst's house and any damn time the mods get involved it makes it worse for others (locks content/threads).   Just put him on IGNORE, I did it for awhile, it works wonders for my Blood Pressure! 


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Re: Mark Cuban: Amend U.S. Constitution to Make Healthcare a Right
« Reply #324 on: March 25, 2017, 02:08:50 am »
   Of course not @INVAR I'm not advocating that at all and I know from experience, like most here, that have debated @Jazzhead , that it is an exercise in futility. 
   No one is gonna change HIS mind and I don't see him changing anyone's mind here, particularly when he starts hurling out the insults (which, in fairness, others do also).

   In conclusion:  In a fair and just world perhaps we'd just lock him up or shot him (just kidding JH) but alas we are in myst's house and any damn time the mods get involved it makes it worse for others (locks content/threads).   Just put him on IGNORE, I did it for awhile, it works wonders for my Blood Pressure! 

I have no intention of ignoring him.  Ignoring those pushing ideas anathema to liberty is how we lost our liberty and civil society to begin with.

I have no allusions of the fact debating JH is an exercise in futility - because as he demonstrates, he is not interested in forwarding Conservative principles, but rather pushing the Leftist agenda.  I do what I do as others also do for the sake of sharpening our combat skills and inspiring others who are reading the board to do likewise when encountering the nonsense being spewed as 'reason' and 'compassion'.  We are losing the art of effectively killing and shutting down evil being promoted as a natural and Constitutional right, because we bought the big lie from the Leftists themselves that we should not judge evil for what it is.

I guess at this stage, I prefer to call things what they are ... directly.

Evil is evil.  Communism is Communism.  I'm not interested in dressing up evil in a tux so we can dance with it because it soothes the sensibilities of everyone else in the room.

We've lost the culture because we were too timid to call sin and evil what they were.

Now they are being pushed on us by force and intimidation.

We used to call that tyranny.
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