These 3 conservatives nearly stopped RINOcare

[libertybele]

These 3 conservatives nearly stopped RINOcare

With little input by members and virtually no debate, RINOcare passed through the House Committee on the Budget by a narrow 19-17 vote Thursday morning. The three members of the House Freedom Caucus on the committee voted against passage. No other Republicans, despite their public statements about repealing Obamacare, voted against the bill. Had one more GOP member switched their votes, the bill would have been stopped....

...The committee has 22 Republicans and 14 Democrats. All Republicans save Dave Brat (R-Va.), Mark Sanford (R-S.C.), and Gary Palmer (R-Ala.) voted yes. Those three Freedom Caucus members voted no. On Monday I highlighted the reasons that four other members of the committee should have joined the Freedom Caucus in voting no....

...There are four members, out of the 18, who have been extra vocal in calling for the repeal of, or who’ve fought against specific Obamacare provisions this bill keeps. They are Glenn Grothman, R-Wisc. (F, 44%), Bruce Westerman, R-Ark. (F, 50%), and a pair of Freshman representatives Jodey Arrington, R-Texas (F, 0%), and Matt Gaetz, R-Fla. (F,0%). Each of these members has been particularly outspoken on the need to end Obamacare or have voiced concerns about the current RINOcare bill.

When it mattered those four bowed to leadership pressure and voted for a bill that doesn’t repeal Obamacare. Instead, the legislation merely tweaks it around the edges...

- See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/03/these-3-conservatives-nearly-stopped-rinocare#sthash.uUnl7Las.dpuf

Also reporting - ABC:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-health-care-bill-advances-opposition-conservatives/story?id=46171740

[Jazzhead]

Looks like the damn "Freedom Caucus" prefers to keep the ObamaCare mandates rather than "compromise".   That's  idiocy.     

Of course the ACHA isn't perfect, and it's only a start in reforming the health insurance market.   But what it does do - quickly - is get rid of the mandates and the economic burdens they cause.  The economy has finally begun to get off the floor, in response to Trump's and Republicans' promises to ease up on the regulatory leviathan.   Now the Freedom Caucus threatens to kill the good, and in the process the GOP's political credibility and leverage.     

[txradioguy]

Looks like the damn "Freedom Caucus" prefers to keep the ObamaCare mandates rather than "compromise".   That's  idiocy.     

Of course the ACHA isn't perfect, and it's only a start in reforming the health insurance market.   But what it does do - quickly - is get rid of the mandates and the economic burdens they cause.  The economy has finally begun to get off the floor, in response to Trump's and Republicans' promises to ease up on the regulatory leviathan.   Now the Freedom Caucus threatens to kill the good, and in the process the GOP's political credibility and leverage.   

Idiocy is trying to put lipstick on a pig and convince people that Obamacare-lite is better than full strength Obamacare.

The Freedom Caucus was trying to do the right and Constitutional thing and that's to get rid of...repeal and throw in the garbage the failed attempt at Socialized medicine and also 86 any attempt at a GOP version of the same kind of Government run healthcare.

There is nothing good in Republicans trying to copy the Democrats and implement their own watered down version of Socialized medicine.

[Jazzhead]

Idiocy is trying to put lipstick on a pig and convince people that Obamacare-lite is better than full strength Obamacare.

The Freedom Caucus was trying to do the right and Constitutional thing and that's to get rid of...repeal and throw in the garbage the failed attempt at Socialized medicine and also 86 any attempt at a GOP version of the same kind of Government run healthcare.

There is nothing good in Republicans trying to copy the Democrats and implement their own watered down version of Socialized medicine.

The ACHA is far, far better than the ACA.   For starters, the end of the mandates will jump-start economic growth and the end of the subsidies will save billions and billions of taxpayer dollars. 

And don't peddle your crap that the AHCA represents "socialized medicine".   The ACHA preserves the private health insurance system and the choices it provides to consumers.   If you want "socialized medicine" - that is, a single payer system - then go on supporting the "Freedom Caucus".   Those cretins are doing a bang-up job of forcing us down the road to single payer.     

[XenaLee]

Idiocy is trying to put lipstick on a pig and convince people that Obamacare-lite is better than full strength Obamacare.

The Freedom Caucus was trying to do the right and Constitutional thing and that's to get rid of...repeal and throw in the garbage the failed attempt at Socialized medicine and also 86 any attempt at a GOP version of the same kind of Government run healthcare.

There is nothing good in Republicans trying to copy the Democrats and implement their own watered down version of Socialized medicine.

Exactly.  Then it begs the question.... why are they doing it?  Why are they, once again and as usual, trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

Habit.

[txradioguy]

Exactly.  Then it begs the question.... why are they doing it?  Why are they, once again and as usual, trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

Habit.

Regardless of which side does it...there always seems to be this mentality that THEY can manage the monstrosity better than the other side.

[Hondo69]

Exactly.  Then it begs the question.... why are they doing it? 

From what I understand it is nothing but high stakes poker.  If RINOcare gets shot down in Congress several problems occur, the main problem being the defeat will affect future legislation such as tax reform.  Congress cannot be branded as "do nothing", ineffective Keystone Cops.  True or not, that brand will stick with them all the way through to midterms as the mad dog media will hammer it home 24/7 for years.

On the other hand, if Congress passes RINOcare it goes to the Senate where they get to deal with the dumpster fire.  The Senate is hoping they don't have to cope with any of it, they have golf games to be played and Caribbean fishing trips to supervise.

If RINOcare does land in the lap of the Senate they can gut the whole thing if they choose.  As we've seen before the Senate can take a bill addressing one specific issue, gut it, then whip up a brand new bill not even remotely related to the original bill.  If they want, they can create a bill out of thin air that addresses collecting bear turds in Yellowstone. 

Maybe we'll all get lucky and they'll whip up some new legislation addressing stem cell research so they can grow themselves new spines.

But back to the poker game - Paul Ryan is explaining to other member of Congress, "hey, we can punt this thing over to the Senate".  I'll bet the farm that seems like a really good option right now to the majority of members.  When in doubt, punt.

[libertybele]

Regardless of which side does it...there always seems to be this mentality that THEY can manage the monstrosity better than the other side.

Unfortunately there are but a few worth a damn on our side of the aisle and for the other side of the aisle ... well, they are pretty much worthless as far as doing what's right for the American people.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Idiocy is trying to put lipstick on a pig and convince people that Obamacare-lite is better than full strength Obamacare.

Why isn't that true?  I mean, diluted poison is bad, but it isn't as bad as full-strength poison.

I'll say this -- I represent one medium size employer that has been absolutely killed by the Obamacare business mandates.  If those mandates are eliminated, as they are in the GOP plan, it will be a huge boost for his business and hiring.  And for his employees, it'll mean that all the ones he had to shift to 27.5hrs/wk part-time work will be boosted back up to where they were pre-ACA penalties -- 37.5 hours/wk.

For the perspective of businesses at least, it's a huge improvement.

[Emjay]

Why isn't that true?  I mean, diluted poison is bad, but it isn't as bad as full-strength poison.

I'll say this -- I represent one medium size employer that has been absolutely killed by the Obamacare business mandates.  If those mandates are eliminated, as they are in the GOP plan, it will be a huge boost for his business and hiring.  And for his employees, it'll mean that all the ones he had to shift to 27.5hrs/wk part-time work will be boosted back up to where they were pre-ACA penalties -- 37.5 hours/wk.

For the perspective of businesses at least, it's a huge improvement.

You speak from a practical viewpoint of experience and it is encouraging to me.

[Smokin Joe]

Why isn't that true?  I mean, diluted poison is bad, but it isn't as bad as full-strength poison.

I'll say this -- I represent one medium size employer that has been absolutely killed by the Obamacare business mandates.  If those mandates are eliminated, as they are in the GOP plan, it will be a huge boost for his business and hiring.  And for his employees, it'll mean that all the ones he had to shift to 27.5hrs/wk part-time work will be boosted back up to where they were pre-ACA penalties -- 37.5 hours/wk.

For the perspective of businesses at least, it's a huge improvement.

Socialism is a cumulative toxin.

[Hoodat]

The ACHA is far, far better than the ACA.

Just as cyanide is far better than arsenic.

For starters, the end of the mandates will jump-start economic growth

Whoa, hold the phone.  It has already been pointed out to you that the AHCA still contains mandates which are an affront to our freedom.  And your response to that was that you supported them.  So it is downright dishonest of you to now declare that it ends mandates.

Come up with a bill that ends government mandates on including 26-year-old adults as 'children' or covering people with pre-existing conditions, and then we can talk about ending mandates.  But this bill does not do that.

.  .  .  will jump-start economic growth

The Democrats made the exact same argument in 2010.  How did that work out?

and the end of the subsidies will save billions and billions of taxpayer dollars.

The AHCA doesn't end subsidies.

And don't peddle your crap that the AHCA represents "socialized medicine". 

Let's see.  Mandating that insurance companies must offer insurance regardless of risk, and handing out tax 'credits' so that everyone can have the same thing?  What else do you call that?

The ACHA preserves the private health insurance system

Preserves?  Seriously?  Good grief, this is straight out of the communist manifesto.  You act like government is the source of health insurance viability, and that the health insurance market can't survive without government somehow 'saving' it.  Let me clue you in, the health insurance industry thrived without government interference.  The only threat it faces now is government.

and the choices it provides to consumers.   

Pure unadulterated bullshit.

If you want "socialized medicine" - that is, a single payer system - then go on supporting the "Freedom Caucus".   Those cretins are doing a bang-up job of forcing us down the road to single payer.   

More bullshit.

The only way to avoid single-payer is to get the federal government the hell out of the way and let the market take over.  You would be surprised what innovation and ingenuity will arise once you take the restraints of government away and allow consumers to act in their own best interests.

[RetBobbyMI]

The ACHA is far, far better than the ACA.   For starters, the end of the mandates will jump-start economic growth and the end of the subsidies will save billions and billions of taxpayer dollars. 

And don't peddle your crap that the AHCA represents "socialized medicine".   The ACHA preserves the private health insurance system and the choices it provides to consumers.   If you want "socialized medicine" - that is, a single payer system - then go on supporting the "Freedom Caucus".   Those cretins are doing a bang-up job of forcing us down the road to single payer.   

Neither are good, but the main issue should be whether the US Government has a role in OUR health care.  There is no place in the constitution where they have that authority.  Unless a benefit resulting from government sacrifice.

[Idiot]

Glad to see my freshman representative on that list.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Idiocy is trying to put lipstick on a pig and convince people that Obamacare-lite is better than full strength Obamacare.

The Freedom Caucus was trying to do the right and Constitutional thing and that's to get rid of...repeal and throw in the garbage the failed attempt at Socialized medicine and also 86 any attempt at a GOP version of the same kind of Government run healthcare.

There is nothing good in Republicans trying to copy the Democrats and implement their own watered down version of Socialized medicine.

The same Govt that can't get the Veterans Administration to provide HC to just over 500,000 patients is selling us the LIE that it CAN do it Right when it comes to providing HC for 330 Million patients.


And my Viking Trilogy is free again this weekend at Amazon.
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[Hondo69]

The same Govt that can't get the Veterans Administration to provide HC to just over 500,000 patients is selling us the LIE that it CAN do it Right when it comes to providing HC for 330 Million patients.

It will be different this time.

Isn't that what they always tell us?

[DB]

It will be different this time.

Isn't that what they always tell us?

Fools want something for nothing. So when it is offered they can't resist not giving it a try no matter how many times it has failed before. And generally they're not on the paying end so there's no down side giving it a try.

[Smokin Joe]

The same Govt that can't get the Veterans Administration to provide HC to just over 500,000 patients is selling us the LIE that it CAN do it Right when it comes to providing HC for 330 Million patients.


And my Viking Trilogy is free again this weekend at Amazon.
http://wulfanson.blogspot.com/2017/03/get-our-viking-trilogy-free-at-amazon.html

And here I thought the government started in the health care business to finish killing off the Indians...

[Formerly Once-Ler]

...There are four members, out of the 18, who have been extra vocal in calling for the repeal of, or who’ve fought against specific Obamacare provisions this bill keeps. They are Glenn Grothman, R-Wisc. (F, 44%), Bruce Westerman, R-Ark. (F, 50%), and a pair of Freshman representatives Jodey Arrington, R-Texas (F, 0%), and Matt Gaetz, R-Fla. (F,0%). Each of these members has been particularly outspoken on the need to end Obamacare or have voiced concerns about the current RINOcare bill.

When it mattered those four bowed to leadership pressure and voted for a bill that doesn’t repeal Obamacare. Instead, the legislation merely tweaks it around the edges...

- See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/03/these-3-conservatives-nearly-stopped-rinocare#sthash.uUnl7Las.dpu

OMG!  The freak fringe "conservatives" are abandoning Congressman Grothman.  Congrats Glenn...you're the new Rubio.

It would be funny if it wasn't tragic.

This show is pathetic.  The dialogue is retarded and predictable.  The plot is unrealistic, and the fan base is deplorable.  I'm heading back to Iron Fist.