BREAKING: U.S. Senate REVERSED Major Obama Law. He’s Reportedly FURIOUS!

[Bigun]

@Hoodat

I will go along with "greatly reduced in size",but not shut down. They have a legitimate function to serve by making sure large companies don't cheat employees out of their retirement pay,for example. States can't really do this because large companies operate in multiple states.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

It needs to be done away with entirely just as Hoodat said! There is absolutely ZERO constitutional authority for it to exist!

[ABX]

I'm curiuos of the mechanics of this program now. Will those filing for UE have to go do a blood draw before receiving benefits? Will they need to complete this every 3-6 weeks if they renew? Who is doing the blood draw? Is this based on federal drug laws or State drug laws. For example, if I go to a concert this week in a state where pot is legal, and enhale enough second hand, not even from using it myself, then next week, I'm laid off and have to apply for benefits, would that disqualify me even though it wasn't illegal in the state, didn't contribute to the lay-off, doesn't impact my future employability, and UE dollars are not going to any use of the drug?

[sneakypete]

God is the one who does the healing, which is why He appears in half of the Steps.

@Hoodat

If you want to believe that,it is alright with me.

I can only question why God allowed people to become addicts to start with.

And don't try that "God believes in Free Will" crap on me,either. If he exists and believes that,why would he intervene at AA meetings and help "his children" recover? Or send them to Hell for their sins?

IF God exists,he doesn't give a damn one way or the other,sink or swim.

[sneakypete]

It needs to be done away with entirely just as Hoodat said! There is absolutely ZERO constitutional authority for it to exist!

@Bigun

HorseHillary! They exist because the federal government has an OBLIGATION to make sure the citizens of all states are being treated equally,and to prevent a corporation or other business entity from screwing the workers and people from one state by just shutting their doors and moving to another state.

[Cyber Liberty]

I'm curiuos of the mechanics of this program now. Will those filing for UE have to go do a blood draw before receiving benefits? Will they need to complete this every 3-6 weeks if they renew? Who is doing the blood draw? Is this based on federal drug laws or State drug laws. For example, if I go to a concert this week in a state where pot is legal, and enhale enough second hand, not even from using it myself, then next week, I'm laid off and have to apply for benefits, would that disqualify me even though it wasn't illegal in the state, didn't contribute to the lay-off, doesn't impact my future employability, and UE dollars are not going to any use of the drug?

The mechanics would depend on the states.  This law doesn't establish the testing, it just allows the states to do it if they wanna, or not.

[Jazzhead]

@Bigun

HorseHillary! They exist because the federal government has an OBLIGATION to make sure the citizens of all states are being treated equally,and to prevent a corporation or other business entity from screwing the workers and people from one state by just shutting their doors and moving to another state.

Government regulation creates a fair playing field, and provides assurance to the players that the game isn't rigged or populated by scam artists.    Do you think ordinary Americans would trust their savings to the stock markets if the markets weren't regulated by government?   

[INVAR]

Special pleading for here for gov waste?  Disappointing.

@Smokin Joe
@INVAR
@roamer_1
@txradioguy

I frankly don't give a crap what our resident Communist has to say about this issue.  He'll take the Obama and Democrat position, as he always does.

[LonestarDream]

I'm curiuos of the mechanics of this program now. Will those filing for UE have to go do a blood draw before receiving benefits? Will they need to complete this every 3-6 weeks if they renew? Who is doing the blood draw? Is this based on federal drug laws or State drug laws. For example, if I go to a concert this week in a state where pot is legal, and enhale enough second hand, not even from using it myself, then next week, I'm laid off and have to apply for benefits, would that disqualify me even though it wasn't illegal in the state, didn't contribute to the lay-off, doesn't impact my future employability, and UE dollars are not going to any use of the drug?

Urine is fine for me.  Have to do that once every two years on average to keep my job.

There are thresholds for the second hand smoke...   This process used all the time in the employment world.

Too inconvenient?   Then save up the 6K in quarterly benefits one would have received up to 48K for two years of benes....

[Bigun]

@Bigun

HorseHillary! They exist because the federal government has an OBLIGATION to make sure the citizens of all states are being treated equally,and to prevent a corporation or other business entity from screwing the workers and people from one state by just shutting their doors and moving to another state.

Show me the language in the Constitution that says they can do that.  What makes you think that the individual state governments are not capable of protecting the interests of their citizens?

[catfish1957]

Obama's furious?  That's a laugh.  I am the one who is furious that he is not in prison.

[Cyber Liberty]

Government regulation creates a fair playing field, and provides assurance to the players that the game isn't rigged or populated by scam artists.     

Uh, no. It creates a playing field that is tilted to whomever is in the government good graces at the moment.  The sooner you figure out government is biased, the sooner you will understand what many have been trying to tell you.  Even if "grace isn't their best feature."

[Cyber Liberty]

Urine is fine for me.  Have to do that once every two years on average to keep my job.

There are thresholds for the second hand smoke...   This process used all the time in the employment world.

Too inconvenient?   Then save up the 6K in quarterly benefits one would have received up to 48K for two years of benes....

Actually, I spoke to somebody in the field once, and urine is the superior test for drugs.  It shows what the kidneys have been cleaning out of the blood.

[Bigun]

Article I

Section 8.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

That's it! They have NO other powers!

[XenaLee]

If the shoe fits....

(For the record, Mr. Jazz, I did not call you an idiot, but you just did.)

Lol....he just "self-identified" as a leftist!  That's progress (pardon pun).

[Cyber Liberty]

Lol....he just "self-identified" as a leftist!  That's progress (pardon pun).

For that comment, he said I have no "grace."  I'm still LMAO.

[LonestarDream]

Actually, I spoke to somebody in the field once, and urine is the superior test for drugs.  It shows what the kidneys have been cleaning out of the blood.

Well the real strawman there was that government was being intrusive by grabbing the blood.

But the premise of the question is that , not only are we subsidizing drug use, but also free concerts and interstate travel while on UI benes....

[Cyber Liberty]

Well the real strawman there was that government was being intrusive by grabbing the blood.

But the premise of the question is that , not only are we subsidizing drug use, but also free concerts and interstate travel while on UI benes....

I agree with that.  There's something distasteful about requiring such tests to earn the money that is taxed away and given to people who don't have to be tested, and are in fact behaving as you suggest.

[LonestarDream]

I agree with that.  There's something distasteful about requiring such tests to earn the money that is taxed away and given to people who don't have to be tested, and are in fact behaving as you suggest.

Nothing like the drugs + welfare debate to sharpen up  who is truly compassionate AND conservative/libertarian --- in a hurry.

[libertybele]

You're right and the benefits need to be reduced back to the original 13 weeks.  These perpetual unemployment checks are just another wealth transfer program. Welfare by another name!

I firmly believe that Bammy by design tanked the economy, destroyed jobs so that unemployment HAD to be extended ...pretty hard to find a job when there aren't any jobs out there and pretty hard to make ends meet when your hours have been reduced because an employer doesn't want to pay for health insurance.

I realize we are under President Trump, but IMHO the economy needs a shot in the arm and jobs need to be brought back ... then start to cut back on benefits.

[Cyber Liberty]

I firmly believe that Bammy by design tanked the economy, destroyed jobs so that unemployment HAD to be extended ...pretty hard to find a job when there aren't any jobs out there and pretty hard to make ends meet when your hours have been reduced because an employer doesn't want to pay for health insurance.

I realize we are under President Trump, but IMHO the economy needs a shot in the arm and jobs need to be brought back ... then start to cut back on benefits.

If one is trying to enslave a population, it's difficult to find a better way of doing it than what you described.

[libertybele]

@libertybele

First off,you need to understand that alcohol is a drug like every other drug,and alcoholics DO go through alcohol withdrawal.  Seriously.

I am no expert on programs like AA and NA,but both are supported by local contributions from organizations and individuals,and nobody goes to their first meeting until they have hit rock bottom and know they either quit taking drugs in all forms or die. Which pretty much means they are "sober and shaking" the first time they attend a meeting.  There are all sorts of addicts at these meetings. Some are in  their first week,and some have been attending meetings for decades. There is not a person there that doesn't understand the problem and what is needed on a personal basis.

I am confident that if someone appears at any of those meetings,including other programs like the Salvation Army,and they are going through major withdrawal symptoms,that there is at least one person at each meeting that can pick up a phone and arrange emergency medical treatment for the "newbie". No,they are not going to one of those expensive private clinics,but they will be hospitalized until they stabilize and then given some medication to take before being "released to the wild" again.

I am also guessing someone from the program that called 9-11 for them will be notified they are being released,and waiting at the door for them when they walk out of it. These people aren't members of those programs because they are bored,getting paid to be there,or looking for fame and fortune. They are there because THEY have been to the "same THERE" as man or woman being released from the hospital because they want to help,and even NEED to help for their own sobriety reasons.

Yes, I understand that people go through alcohol withdrawals ... I get that. My question is ... who pays for that emergency treatment to help them go through the physical withdrawal that one experiences?  Someone that has been drinking excessively for years or and addict that has used for years  ... are going to need some type of medical help. That is why I believe that Portugal has gotten in correct ... decriminalize from weed to heroin and if caught you have two choices; you either agree to the substance abuse help which includes medical and counseling or you can choose jail time.

[Emjay]

More winning!!!!

On substance!


@Right_in_Virginia
@truth_seeker
@TomSea
@Emjay
@Sanguine
@don-o

I think most people like this.  The requirements are not onerous and certainly not as demanding as most employment requires.

[XenaLee]

@Hoodat

If you want to believe that,it is alright with me.

I can only question why God allowed people to become addicts to start with.

And don't try that "God believes in Free Will" crap on me,either. If he exists and believes that,why would he intervene at AA meetings and help "his children" recover? Or send them to Hell for their sins?

IF God exists,he doesn't give a damn one way or the other,sink or swim.

Oh crap.  Not this again.  Ok....I'll play.

Yes, God gave us ALL free will, but he is always there to help us if and when we screw up and ask for His help.  How hard is that to understand?   If our choices lead us away from God, that's on us.  If our choices in life lead us to God, then it was all worth it in the "end" (ie the afterlife/eternity).

That's how I see it.

[Emjay]

The question wasn't stupid.   The purpose of the law appears to be punitive -  drug use is a disqualifier for unemployment benefits,  not whether an individual is "incapable of holding a job".    Why should an individual who lost his job for economic reasons - laid off because the employer's sales are down - have to satisfy a drug testing requirement to receive unemployment benefits?

It is not punitive.  Drug tests are a normal requirement for employment at most places.  My daughter is an HR director.  She had to take a drug test for her last 5 jobs.  Employees suspected of drug use are usually tested and fired if they test positive.

[verga]

Should folks who drink alcohol receive unemployment benefits?

@Jazzhead If they ABUSE it to the point they are unemployable, not just no, but HELL NO!