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Obama lengthened it to TWO years....and then after that, inflated the Medicaid and Social Security Disability Insurance rolls...to keep the peasants from lighting their torches and storming Washington.

...in the meantime, they changed the manner in which they figure the 'Employment Rate', to mask the 95 million who collected for 2 years and exhausted said UE benefits.

Anecdotal but I was in a writing class in Irving and there were several Technical Writers in the class.  Technical writers are usually the first to be laid off, because, well, they are expendable.

Their unemployment checks were only slightly less than the jobs they could get paid.  Guess when they actually started looking for work?  You got it... the day their benefits ran out.
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You're right and the benefits need to be reduced back to the original 13 weeks.  These perpetual unemployment checks are just another wealth transfer program. Welfare by another name!

Quite right.  It should just be long enough to tide people over until they can get work.  Too long and a lot of people abuse it and stop real job hunting until it ends.
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If one is trying to enslave a population, it's difficult to find a better way of doing it than what you described.

He's not still in Hawaii cozying up to judges, is he?
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He's not still in Hawaii cozying up to judges, is he?

I don't think that particular "judge" needed cozying up to in order to produce the finding that he did.  Liberals in general don't, because they think they're doing Gaia's work.
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Yes, I understand that people go through alcohol withdrawals ... I get that. My question is ... who pays for that emergency treatment to help them go through the physical withdrawal that one experiences?  Someone that has been drinking excessively for years or and addict that has used for years  ... are going to need some type of medical help. That is why I believe that Portugal has gotten in correct ... decriminalize from weed to heroin and if caught you have two choices; you either agree to the substance abuse help which includes medical and counseling or you can choose jail time.

That is a straw man argument.  Almost every company requires drug testing for employment.  It is a logical extension of this to demand drug testing for receiving unemployment benefits.

Recipients of such benefits have to be eligible for employment.  Drug users are not eligible for employment in most cases.

By the way, marijuana stays in the system longer than any other drug ... 30 days.  Watch it, pot smokers.
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It is not punitive.  Drug tests are a normal requirement for employment at most places.  My daughter is an HR director.  She had to take a drug test for her last 5 jobs.  Employees suspected of drug use are usually tested and fired if they test positive.

It's amazing that seemingly..... these same people that appear to want government to have all and be all re: power over the people..... balk at private industry and corporations having the ability to NOT pay ue benefits for anyone on drugs, which is probably why they got laid off in the first place.

That said, yes....'some' nefarious employers could use the law to get out of paying ue benefits to some.  But that could wind up in the courts and they could end up paying much more in legal fees. 

Random drug testing has been a reality for many, if not most, corporations for decades now.  This would be no different.  The left just doesn't want the same standards applied to those whose "benefits" come straight out of the taxpayers' wallets vs. some corporation's ue fund.   It's obvious.  They know that most Americans would insist on that same drug testing for welfare recipients, as well.

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Government regulation creates a fair playing field, and provides assurance to the players that the game isn't rigged or populated by scam artists.    Do you think ordinary Americans would trust their savings to the stock markets if the markets weren't regulated by government?
At the time of the government-finance industry meltdown, everybody was already highly regulated. Banks, Mortgage companies, loan-agents/brokers, appraisers, bond rating agencies, securities lawyers, securities brokers, etc.

By the time regulations are enacted, the lobbyists for the articular industry have "gotten to" our lawmaker, and created the scams.

The scam is that the little guy, the investor for instance, is "protected," from the big bad corporation. The fact is the big bad corporation in protected, and the little guy investor is practically naked-unprotected.

In the case of substance addiction, treatment and recovery, the scam is created by the healthcare and insurance industry, on the American taxpayer.

The addict-alcoholics jump at the chance to fill luxury recovery beds, and attend "treatment."

There they know they will be coddled, like never before. But they stand no better chances of getting clean-sober, and remaining clean-sober, than if they detoxed in their hometown AA meeting room, 2 or 3 times a day.

Here is the program that works: "Don't drink, no matter what. Go to 2 or 3 meetings a day, and don't drink between meetings. Get the book, read the book, get a sponsor, do the steps."

For profit "treatment" is full of modern psychobabble, like "triggers," "getting in touch with your inner self," and so forth. They help their "patients" believe ideas, like being a victim, being depressed or some other medical problem, etc.

They pick and choose, just some of the God based, Twelve Steps, so as to not jeopardize government funding for "religious" activities.

They teach "a drug is a drug," to soothe a methamphetamine user into thinking he is just like a person having one-too-many drinks driving home from the office.

Those "providers," will be lobbying like crazy, to keep their "treatment and recovery" entities in the chips.

This recovery and treatment scam mirrors our society. Hitting bottom ain't like it used to be, just like conservatism ain't like it used to be.

I did NOT go to detox, sober living, recovery. I detoxed in the rooms of alcoholics, two meetings per day.

You aren't ready, until you are ready. Why make taxpayers fund it?

My model for recovery would be the olde skool, low-bottom indigent model. Everybody is up early, to either go to a job, or to look for a job. Every night is either mandatory in-house meeting, or outside meeting.

If you can't follow THEIR rules, you are out. No second chances. Take your game elsewhere.

By way of comparison: Olde skool indigent sober living model=$600 per month.

Fancy professionally supervised insurance "treatment" model $40,000 per month.

At the end, both tell you to continue going to meetings.   

 



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Government regulations and the current Marxist tax code is how they control who is allowed onto the playing field!  They should NOT have this power!
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Here is the program that works: "Don't drink, no matter what. Go to 2 or 3 meetings a day, and don't drink between meetings. Get the book, read the book, get a sponsor, do the steps." 

Bill W. was a genius.  Saved a lot of lives.
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Government regulations and the current Marxist tax code is how they control who is allowed onto the playing field!  They should NOT have this power!

It astonishes me there are people who think government is capable of creating a level playing field.  My meager half-century or so of pitiful experience taught me otherwise.  Government will do whatever it takes to stay in power, and the last thing a government wants to do is create a situation where nobody owes them anything.  IOW, they have every incentive to create an unlevel playing field, because they can count on the support of whomever they tilt it toward.
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IOW, they have every incentive to create an unlevel playing field, because they can count on the support of whomever they tilt it toward.

Bout the only time they ever create something approaching a level playing field is when they're playing both ends against the middle.

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It astonishes me there are people who think government is capable of creating a level playing field.  My meager half-century or so of pitiful experience taught me otherwise.  Government will do whatever it takes to stay in power, and the last thing a government wants to do is create a situation where nobody owes them anything.  IOW, they have every incentive to create an unlevel playing field, because they can count on the support of whomever they tilt it toward.

The ENTIRE game in Washington is based on WHO gets to reward it's friends and punish it's enemies.  Nothing to do with what is right for those whom they are elected to represent!
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The ENTIRE game in Washington is based on WHO gets to reward it's friends and punish it's enemies.  Nothing to do with what is right for those whom they are elected to represent!

I believe this thread is about whether or not applicants for unemployment benefits should be drug tested.  Isn't there another thread somewhere for general whining about the government.
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I believe this thread is about whether or not applicants for unemployment benefits should be drug tested.  Isn't there another thread somewhere for general whining about the government.

The conversation got to where it did because we were assured the government would create the level playing field for all, thus making rules like drug testing people for Unemployment benefits unneeded.
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Drug tests are a normal requirement for employment at most places.

Why is that?
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Why is that?

There are several reasons I can think of.  The jobs involving transportation are pretty obvious, don't need stoned people driving trucks and trains.  Companies that send people into peoples houses are catering to the fears of the customers who are literally inviting the employees into their homes.  Many companies do it so they can say "We have a drug-free workplace!" without even bothering to explain how that benefits the customers.  I classify that last group by a simpler name:  "Idiots who are wasting their shareholders' money."
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That is a straw man argument.  Almost every company requires drug testing for employment.  It is a logical extension of this to demand drug testing for receiving unemployment benefits.

Recipients of such benefits have to be eligible for employment.  Drug users are not eligible for employment in most cases.

By the way, marijuana stays in the system longer than any other drug ... 30 days.  Watch it, pot smokers.

Good point, except unemployment benefits are benefits based on weeks worked.  Those benefits were earned and paid for; therefore I do not think they should be denied.  That's like saying we should test people for receiving social security benefits.  People have already earned benefits and paid into the system ... should we mandatory drug screen seniors?? 

First and foremost we need more sustainable jobs and THEN think about going back to the 13 weeks of unemployment limit.  Those who require additional benefits must meet certain criteria and be subjected to random drug testing.
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Show me the language in the Constitution that says they can do that. 

It's not that the federal government CAN do that as much as it is a case of they are REQUIRED to do that. Why else would the leaders of the various colonies have agreed to form a union without that guarantee? What is the purpose of the BoR  if this is not true?

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What makes you think that the individual state governments are not capable of protecting the interests of their citizens?

I think you are misunderstanding what I wrote. The state governments ARE capable of protecting the rights of their citizens. It is one obligation of the Federal Government to insure they do this.
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I firmly believe that Bammy by design tanked the economy, destroyed jobs so that unemployment HAD to be extended ...pretty hard to find a job when there aren't any jobs out there and pretty hard to make ends meet when your hours have been reduced because an employer doesn't want to pay for health insurance.

With the sole exception of Reagan,and now Trump,that has been true of every President since King Franklin. The only area Obomber rises above the others is in stupidity. Every other president was smart,even though most were selfish and evil except for Carter,who has to be the biggest fool to ever occupy the WH. Obomber is just stupid and lazy,willing to do whatever he is told to do as long as he gets to act like he's in charge.

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I realize we are under President Trump, but IMHO the economy needs a shot in the arm and jobs need to be brought back ... then start to cut back on benefits.

Exactly. Dogma can never be allowed to overtake reality to the point where your changes become counter-productive.


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Yes, I understand that people go through alcohol withdrawals ... I get that. My question is ... who pays for that emergency treatment to help them go through the physical withdrawal that one experiences?


There is no "one answer fits all". Some people have insurance,or relatives that pay. Some states probably pick up the bill for emergency room expenses,and in some cases the feral and state government both pay via tax write-offs from the hospital and doctors.
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Oh crap.  Not this again.  Ok....I'll play.

Yes, God gave us ALL free will, but he is always there to help us if and when we screw up and ask for His help.  How hard is that to understand?   If our choices lead us away from God, that's on us.  If our choices in life lead us to God, then it was all worth it in the "end" (ie the afterlife/eternity).

That's how I see it.

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Ahhh,the No-Fault God! Responsible for all the good things,and never responsible for the bad things.

Kinda like Joseph Stalin when you think about it.
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Good point, except unemployment benefits are benefits based on weeks worked.  Those benefits were earned and paid for; therefore I do not think they should be denied.  That's like saying we should test people for receiving social security benefits.  People have already earned benefits and paid into the system ... should we mandatory drug screen seniors?? 

First and foremost we need more sustainable jobs and THEN think about going back to the 13 weeks of unemployment limit.  Those who require additional benefits must meet certain criteria and be subjected to random drug testing.

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BREAKING: U.S. Senate REVERSED Major Obama Law. He’s Reportedly FURIOUS!


Awwww...  Poor whiny little child.    It's about time he finally got himself a spanking.   


Idiot. 

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The question wasn't stupid.   The purpose of the law appears to be punitive -  drug use is a disqualifier for unemployment benefits,  not whether an individual is "incapable of holding a job".    Why should an individual who lost his job for economic reasons - laid off because the employer's sales are down - have to satisfy a drug testing requirement to receive unemployment benefits?


I think the point here is to make life harder on drug users.     
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