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Do you love the ocean? Are you an innovator? Are you sick and tired of old models of government that are stuck in the last century?

If you answered yes to the above, consider seasteading; it's like Waterworld but without the mutants.

The idea is to build politically independent countries that float on the ocean, and the concept might not be as far-out as you think.

The Seasteading Institute has already signed an agreement with the French Polynesian government to develop a legal framework for the first floating island and the Institute is currently calling for public submissions to attend its upcoming forum in the region.

As part of its Ignite series featuring radical and provocative ideas for the future, Lateline spoke to Seasteading Institute spokesman Joe Quirk, about how these floating nations could work.
What are seasteads?

Seasteads are floating islands of self-governing communities which hope to facilitate innovative business ideas in a low-regulation environment.

Mr Quirk said the world is run by old-style governments and seasteads would move the world into the 21st Century.

    "Seasteaders bring a Silicon Valley sensibility to the problem of governments not innovating sufficiently," Mr Quirk said.

    "Innovators are held back and stymied by existing regulations, and we want to give them 21st century regulations on start-up governments," he said.

    "Once you provide people with a platform to start their own country, every conceivable type of innovator reaches out to you with their own idea."

Wouldn't they just be floating tax havens?

According to Joe Quirk, no.

    "A seastead can't help you avoid taxes if you're an American citizen. If you make six figures you can't avoid taxes, whether you move to a seastead or to Switzerland," he said.

Still, won't they just be full of rich people?

    "Seasteads cost money, and if you want to succeed as a Seastead you have to find ways to attract people to move there. If I was a billionaire I wouldn't want to move to a seastead, but if I was a member of the bottom billion, most of whom want to leave their dysfunctional governments, I might want to move to a seastead."

The founding philosophy is minimal governance

Mr Quirk said the Seasteading Institute takes no position on what kind of societies should be formed.

    "We're providing a technology for other people to try their version of societies," he said.

    "As long as people can join them voluntarily and leave them voluntarily, and all the seasteads have to compete amongst each other to attract citizens voluntarily, we think the best solutions for governance will emerge."

More: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-14/seasteading:-the-plan-to-build-floating-cities-a-innovation-hubs/8349642
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Re: Floating countries of the future - this could be your new home
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2017, 09:29:38 am »
@kevindavis  Not strictly space, but I'm thinking organising and running a seastead wouldn't be all that different from running a colony ship.
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Re: Floating countries of the future - this could be your new home
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2017, 11:30:46 pm »
@kevindavis  Not strictly space, but I'm thinking organising and running a seastead wouldn't be all that different from running a colony ship.


That is true.. Not different at all.
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Re: Floating countries of the future - this could be your new home
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2017, 11:36:41 pm »

That is true.. Not different at all.

It would be an interesting large scale experiment but a colony ship wouldn't have trade with the outside world.

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Re: Floating countries of the future - this could be your new home
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2017, 11:37:03 pm »
Wasn't that what Waterworld was about?

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Re: Floating countries of the future - this could be your new home
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2017, 11:40:17 pm »
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Re: Floating countries of the future - this could be your new home
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2017, 11:41:12 pm »
Wasn't that what Waterworld was about?

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Re: Floating countries of the future - this could be your new home
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2017, 12:05:11 am »
It would be an interesting large scale experiment but a colony ship wouldn't have trade with the outside world.


The thing with the colony ship is how to keep order so things don't go crazy..
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Re: Floating countries of the future - this could be your new home
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2017, 12:23:28 am »
Wasn't that what Waterworld was about?

Fun movie, idiotic concept.

Spoiler alert.  The geological marker on Mt Everest doesn't exist, but assuming the world were inundated with water to 28,000ft or so above current sea level, todays modern cities would be under 25000ft of water.  Far beneath the ability of surface creatures, including Kevin Costner, to "dive" to them.
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« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2017, 12:32:13 am »

The thing with the colony ship is how to keep order so things don't go crazy..

I think you would need a civil government separate from the ship's operational hierarchy. Kinda like Battlestar Galactica.

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Re: Floating countries of the future - this could be your new home
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2017, 12:34:15 am »
Fun movie, idiotic concept.

Spoiler alert.  The geological marker on Mt Everest doesn't exist, but assuming the world were inundated with water to 28,000ft or so above current sea level, todays modern cities would be under 25000ft of water.  Far beneath the ability of surface creatures, including Kevin Costner, to "dive" to them.

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Re: Floating countries of the future - this could be your new home
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2017, 12:36:46 am »
I think you would need a civil government separate from the ship's operational hierarchy. Kinda like Battlestar Galactica.


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Re: Floating countries of the future - this could be your new home
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2017, 12:51:47 am »
Oath of Fealty - Niven.

It's an arcology, not a colony ship, but the arc designer does say they are practice runs for starships in it.
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Re: Floating countries of the future - this could be your new home
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2017, 01:43:17 am »
These "floating cities" would be great targets for bands of organized pirates...  ;)

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Re: Floating countries of the future - this could be your new home
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2017, 03:36:27 am »
No thanks.  I was on a cruise ship that sailed through the southern half of Hurricane Katrina in the gulf.  Nope....not living on one of those rather large roller coasters....EVER!

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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2017, 07:57:50 am »
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Re: Floating countries of the future - this could be your new home
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2017, 08:12:06 am »

The thing with the colony ship is how to keep order so things don't go crazy..

The larger problem would be defense against outside forces.

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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2017, 09:17:55 am »

The thing with the colony ship is how to keep order so things don't go crazy..

Yep, that is definitely the problem in one of my unfinished stories, of course the ship was set up to be a little UN and given its orders from Earth.