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sneakypete:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/introduction/ruby-ridge/

This is a pretty balanced 1 hour PBS documentary about the events that led up to the cluster-bleep at Ruby Ridge Idaho,what happened once some Fed panicked and shot teenage Sammy Weaver's dog that was barking at him,and the final result.

Pretty well balanced and has interviews with all of the main players except for Lon Horiuchi  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi), a piece of semi-human garbage that I sincerely hope someone tracked down and gave him what he so richly deserved. Since he is not mentioned,I am assuming that he is unfortunately still alive and still in hiding.

AFAIK,the feral government has never identified the US Marshall that shot 14 year old Sammy Weaver in the back and killed him,either. I'm sure his name was mentioned in the wrongful death lawsuit the Weaver Family flied and won against the US Government,but it has never been made public.

The only other scab I have to pick with the producers is they mention "senior FBI officials gave the order to the snipers that they MUST fire if they saw a target." They should have named names. No,this doesn't justify Horiuchi murdering an innocent woman standing in a doorway and holding a baby in her arms,but the Feebs that gave the order deserve the same justice as the shooter. Horiuchi,as a proud cog in the machine that was the FBI would have never dared fire on a unarmed woman holding a baby without those orders.

For those of you too young to remember this,or who happened to be living on another planet when it happened,this was THE event that let the feral government come to an actual understanding that they had been pushing too far,and because of what they did at Ruby Ridge,they came DAMN close to kicking off another American revolution. The Feral agents shown live at the roadblocks,and even the Feeb officials interviewed on tv were terrified,and you could see it in their eyes.

This was after the Janet Reno-ordered attack on the Church full of loons at Waco,Texas,and even people who were not a part of what is called the "gun culture" or right-wing politics were getting disturbed at the violent criminal actions of our out of control government. Ruby Ridge came damn close to being One Step Too Far,and the government knew it and backed off.

All in all it is pretty balanced reporting,and is bound to be a real eye-opener for anyone who wasn't alive at that time.

It was aired this week on my local PBS station,and is most likely available in the archives of your PBS station,or can be viewed at the link.

A hour well-spent. Especially for those of  you who don't remember it.

skeeter:
I vividly remember the news media smearing Weaver as a white supremacist as the standoff continued.

I still have difficulty imagining how any man who considers themselves normal well adjusted and civilized could peer through a Leopold Mark 6 scope at a unarmed woman holding a child, who doesn't even know you're there, and intentionally pull the trigger.

sneakypete:

--- Quote from: skeeter on March 08, 2017, 08:39:20 pm ---I vividly remember the news media smearing Weaver as a white supremacist as the standoff continued.

I still have difficulty imagining how any man who considers themselves normal well adjusted and civilized could peer through a Leopold Mark 6 scope at a unarmed woman holding a child, who doesn't even know you're there, and intentionally pull the trigger.

--- End quote ---

@skeeter

I thought I had all that buried,but after watching this documentary last night (I had recorded it), I got so mad again that I actually got a little bit dizzzy. ALL this happened because some feral government shithead wannabe commando with no balls shot the pet dog of a 14 year old boy because the dog gave his position away by barking at him. If the SOB hadn't been there trespassing on private property the dog would have never smelled him and barked at him,and IF he had the IQ OR the morality of a tomato plant he would have just shrugged it off as "one of those things" and retreated. He didn't.  He shot the dog,so quite naturally the 14 year old boy who owned the dog fired back and killed either him or his partner in crime,and the surviving fed then shot the 14 year old boy that was running away in the back. He murdered 14 year old Sammy Weaver because he could,and because he knew he could get away with it.

Then to add insult to murder,he tried to claim he fired in self-defense because he was being shot at! Which leads me to wonder what kind of gun the dog was shooting,and how Sammy Weaver was still firing at the surviving fed while running away.

Oh,I forgot to mention and should because I know there will be people reading this who won't view the documentary. This all started because the Feebs wanted an informer inside a White Power group in Idaho. Weaver wasn't a neo-Nazi,a Kluxxer,or member of any other group. He was a "end-timer" that just wanted to be left alone with his family. He visiting the White Power compound because they were close,lots of them shared his fundie religious viewpoints,and most importantly,because he was invited and his wife and kids liked to have people to visit with. The Feebs admitted they KNEW he wasn't a member of any of those groups,but figured because he had a wife and kids he was somebody they could force to spy and inform for them because they set him up for a bogus federal firearms violation that could lead to a decade or more in prison if he refused to co-operate. His crime was he sawed the barrels off of a couple of shotguns for Feeb undercover agents,so thy threatened him with a Class 4 Firearms violation unless he cooperated.

He refused,and just kept him and his family on top of the mountain where their cabin was after that. He missed his court appearance,so they sicced the US Marshalls on him.

the_doc:

--- Quote from: sneakypete on March 08, 2017, 08:31:30 pm ---http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/introduction/ruby-ridge/

For those of you too young to remember this,or who happened to be living on another planet when it happened,this was THE event that let the feral government come to an actual understanding that they had been pushing too far,and because of what they did at Ruby Ridge,they came DAMN close to kicking off another American revolution. The Feral agents shown live at the roadblocks,and even the Feeb officials interviewed on tv were terrified,and you could see it in their eyes.

This was after the Janet Reno-ordered attack on the Church full of loons at Waco,Texas,and even people who were not a part of what is called the "gun culture" or right-wing politics were getting disturbed at the violent criminal actions of our out of control government. Ruby Ridge came damn close to being One Step Too Far,and the government knew it and backed off.


--- End quote ---

The Ruby Ridge standoff was first (August 21-August 30, 1992).  The Waco Massacre came a few months later (February 28 -April 19, 1993). 

The Ruby Ridge incident occurred near the end of the GHWB administration.  The Waco debacle was in the first year of Clinton's administration.

The Ruby Ridge incident was absolutely disgusting, to be sure, but the Waco massacre was an order of magnitude more horrific. A sergeant with the Texas Rangers told me that David Koresh had been willing to surrender to the Texas Rangers, but the Feds refused to allow that.  In other words, the Feds could have defused the situation, but they were not interested.

The only four Feds killed during the Waco siege were Secret Service agents who had formerly served on Clinton's Presidential Protection Detail.  A lot of folks in Texas believe that the Waco debacle was a body-laundering operation for Clinton.  The Ranger I talked to said that practically everything the Feds did in the siege and its aftermath and in the subsequent investigation was over-the-top crooked.

The Rangers hated the Feds at that time--and probably still don't trust them any further than they can spit.   

skeeter:

--- Quote from: sneakypete on March 08, 2017, 08:58:11 pm ---@skeeter

I thought I had all that buried,but after watching this documentary last night (I had recorded it), I got so mad again that I actually got a little bit dizzzy. ALL this happened because some feral government shithead wannabe commando with no balls shot the pet dog of a 14 year old boy because the dog gave his position away by barking at him. If the SOB hadn't been there trespassing on private property the dog would have never smelled him and barked at him,and IF he had the IQ OR the morality of a tomato plant he would have just shrugged it off as "one of those things" and retreated. He didn't.  He shot the dog,so quite naturally the 14 year old boy who owned the dog fired back and killed either him or his partner in crime,and the surviving fed then shot the 14 year old boy that was running away in the back. He murdered 14 year old Sammy Weaver because he could,and because he knew he could get away with it.

Then to add insult to murder,he tried to claim he fired in self-defense because he was being shot at! Which leads me to wonder what kind of gun the dog was shooting,and how Sammy Weaver was still firing at the surviving fed while running away.

Oh,I forgot to mention and should because I know there will be people reading this who won't view the documentary. This all started because the Feebs wanted an informer inside a White Power group in Idaho. Weaver wasn't a neo-Nazi,a Kluxxer,or member of any other group. He was a "end-timer" that just wanted to be left alone with his family. He visiting the White Power compound because they were close,lots of them shared his fundie religious viewpoints,and most importantly,because he was invited and his wife and kids liked to have people to visit with. The Feebs admitted they KNEW he wasn't a member of any of those groups,but figured because he had a wife and kids he was somebody they could force to spy and inform for them because they set him up for a bogus federal firearms violation that could lead to a decade or more in prison if he refused to co-operate. His crime was he sawed the barrels off of a couple of shotguns for Feeb undercover agents,so thy threatened him with a Class 4 Firearms violation unless he cooperated.

He refused,and just kept him and his family on top of the mountain where their cabin was after that. He missed his court appearance,so they sicced the US Marshalls on him.

--- End quote ---

Maybe the most frustrating part of the whole episode for me was friends of mine buying the media BS, and not understanding the implications of what the incident and its aftermath meant. They were simply conditioned respect 'authority' and bark when they heard the phrase 'white supremacist'.

Oh, and one other person who still has yet to pay a price for her role in this tragedy is Diane Feinstein - her feigned concern as she smeared the man who recently lost his wife and son to the government's illegal use of lethal force. Its some consolation to know it won't be long before she faces the music.

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