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Cops: Vandals Didn't Topple Headstones at Jewish Cemetery
« on: March 06, 2017, 04:20:57 pm »
Cops: Vandals Didn't Topple Headstones at Jewish Cemetery
They blame neglect, erosion
By Rob Quinn,  Newser Staff | Posted Mar 6, 2017 2:26 AM CST


A broken headstone is seen at Washington Cemetery in Brooklyn on Sunday.   (AP Photo/Izzy Weiss)

(Newser) – The toppling of more than 40 headstones in a predominantly Jewish cemetery wasn't part of a disturbing rise in anti-Semitic incidents nationwide, police say. Instead, the NYPD says the 42 headstones at Brooklyn's Washington Cemetery fell down by themselves because of a combination of factors, including neglect and soil erosion, the AP reports. The cemetery's manager says that when a stone can't be reset, they "lay them across the grave to keep them memorialized," which a concerned community member apparently mistook for vandalism.

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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2017, 04:26:41 pm »
It is plausible for the older sandstone markers to topple and crack from natural settling and erosion of the surface..  I find it hard to see the newer marble headstones set in concrete  suffering the same fate?
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Re: Cops: Vandals Didn't Topple Headstones at Jewish Cemetery
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2017, 04:29:12 pm »
We had a period of high winds in Boston, maybe they had those in Brooklyn too?

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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2017, 04:34:00 pm »
What type of cheap cemetery doesn't fix stuff like this?

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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2017, 04:36:54 pm »
What type of cheap cemetery doesn't fix stuff like this?

You would be surprised Frank at how many active cemeteries are in various stages of neglect and mismanagement around the country.  Perpetual care is not what it once was.

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Re: Cops: Vandals Didn't Topple Headstones at Jewish Cemetery
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2017, 04:37:14 pm »
It is plausible for the older sandstone markers to topple and crack from natural settling and erosion of the surface..  I find it hard to see the newer marble headstones set in concrete  suffering the same fate?

I don't see many marble stones these days.  Most are granodiorite or the like.  But I don't know how many are actually set in concrete.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2017, 04:41:22 pm »
I don't see many marble stones these days.  Most are granodiorite or the like.  But I don't know how many are actually set in concrete.

I misspoke on marble.  You are correct on the granite blends which is what I should have said.

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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2017, 04:48:39 pm »
You would be surprised Frank at how many active cemeteries are in various stages of neglect and mismanagement around the country.  Perpetual care is not what it once was.

That's why I plan on being burned and put in an urn. It will also keep me from being raped when I am dead or being Re-animated by some college age MD.

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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2017, 04:52:04 pm »
That's why I plan on being burned and put in an urn. It will also keep me from being raped when I am dead or being Re-animated by some college age MD.


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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2017, 04:54:37 pm »

Can I have your gold teeth?

To heck with that...I want dibs on a few of his barn finds! 

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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2017, 04:55:45 pm »
If Frank was reanimated as a zombie, would he come back here to post?


Interesting thought huh?

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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2017, 04:59:37 pm »
If Frank was reanimated as a zombie, would he come back here to post?


I would just so Little Tommy would have someone else his own speed here.

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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2017, 06:11:48 pm »
If it wasn't Vandals, it surely must have been Goths or Lombards.

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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2017, 06:18:55 pm »
That's why I plan on being burned and put in an urn. It will also keep me from being raped when I am dead or being Re-animated by some college age MD.

@Frank Cannon

My hope is for a shallow unmarked grave at this point.

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Re: Cops: Vandals Didn't Topple Headstones at Jewish Cemetery
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2017, 08:23:29 pm »
The stones at my families cemetery are all built into the ground, so this does not happen. But that cemetery mentioned in the story quoted is where my great grandparents
(My mother's grandparents) and two of their brothers snd wives are buried.

My mom made some phone calls and they seem to be ok, but I believe they are going to re do the headstones, to be on the safe side, in the future.   The family asked for some type of collection.

I guess that was the materials they were using back in the day.
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2017, 08:48:08 pm »
@Frank Cannon

My hope is for a shallow unmarked grave at this point.
Consider donating your body to science.

I was going to, but instead I'll donate it to art.
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2017, 08:55:39 pm »
Consider donating your body to science.

I was going to, but instead I'll donate it to art.

Frank watched Lovecraft's Re-animator once to often.  So science is out. 

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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2017, 09:00:44 pm »
Frank watched Lovecraft's Re-animator once to often.  So science is out.

Damn straight....


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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2017, 09:02:53 pm »
Consider donating your body to science.

I was going to, but instead I'll donate it to art.

Until they change the definition of "donating" to selling for a handsome profit, I'll pass.

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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2017, 09:07:42 pm »
The stones at my families cemetery are all built into the ground, so this does not happen. But that cemetery mentioned in the story quoted is where my great grandparents
(My mother's grandparents) and two of their brothers snd wives are buried.

My mom made some phone calls and they seem to be ok, but I believe they are going to re do the headstones, to be on the safe side, in the future.   The family asked for some type of collection.

I guess that was the materials they were using back in the day.

I'm glad your family's markers are all intact, @Freya

I've been thinking about my own marker, and I'll want one that's squat, hard to tip over.
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2017, 09:10:07 pm »
Until they change the definition of "donating" to selling for a handsome profit, I'll pass.

Well, it cuts the funeral costs considerably! 

You're right, though...heirs should be able to rent out use of the body since we won't be using it.
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“He's so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent.” --Foghorn Leghorn

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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2017, 09:22:54 pm »
A nice second floor window view over looking the Bates Motel would be good enough for me.

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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2017, 09:43:51 pm »
 NOTE Point of information (I had to look it up) "barn find" refers to old cars in storage as in "covered with a tarp in an old barn for decades".

On this whole topic, I and most of my fambly think that cemeteries with grave stones and the like is  a custom which should be discontinued. If there is anything which continues after death such as a soul it doesn't seem that it could be connected to the remains of the material body in any substantive way. So that real estate should rightly be devoted to the living.

I understand honoring the dead and fully endorse cherishing and preserving their memory. But it seems to me that there is a better way to do that than taking up land that might be utilized for more practical purposes.

Besides there are things like what happened in the Shining, Poltergeist  and other horror movies to consider. Neh?



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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2017, 09:51:23 pm »
NOTE Point of information (I had to look it up) "barn find" refers to old cars in storage as in "covered with a tarp in an old barn for decades".



My bad.  I thought that was a common term.