Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

[Emjay]

I actually despised Trump during the campaign.   OTOH......

Position wise I give him an A-  so far.

Still he is terrible embarrassment to himself, and this country.  Mr. Trump.....   Give the helm to Mike Pence.

Love you, Catfish, but giving the helm to Mike Pence would be exactly what the evil empire wants.  They succeeded in marginalizing Sessions because he caved to pressure.

Trump doesn't embarrass me at all.  Go, Trump.

[Chosen Daughter]

Right and that's what is so good about Trump.  His tweets (the one the carpers here call childish) garner attention.  They cannot be ignored.  The press has to deal with them and even in their attempts to dismiss and refute them, the public will see them.

Obama almost did it...he almost turned America into the country that he wanted.  Big, clumsy Trump stopped him cold.  Thank goodness.

[Machiavelli]

Does he have proof??

Trump doesn't need proof. His word itself is enough.

[Chosen Daughter]

Well....since the lamestream lying presshole media won't report on it (might make Obama look bad....shudder)....

perhaps it will turn out that his tweeting about it got the issue out to the public.  I expect a public outcry among those that DID vote for Trump over this.  Again, time will tell.

Not one news source huh?  FOX practically worshipped Trump.

[XenaLee]

Love you, Catfish, but giving the helm to Mike Pence would be exactly what the evil empire wants.  They succeeded in marginalizing Sessions because he caved to pressure.

Trump doesn't embarrass me at all.  Go, Trump.

If the radical left manages to succeed in getting rid of Trump (big if)..... that would make Pence a lame duck president for the duration, and would probably embarass the GOP enough to ensure a Democrat victory in 2020 (which is, after all, their ultimate goal.....or one of them).

Pence would be ineffective at implementing the policies of the right that voters overwhelmingly voted FOR last November.  The game would be in check until 2020, and then checkmate. 

Not just no, but HELL NO to that.

[XenaLee]

Not one news source huh?  FOX practically worshipped Trump.

This may come as a shock to you....but...

not everyone has access to Fox News...ie cable TV.

Most folks will never hear about what's really going on in this country unless they listen to talk radio and/or participate in forums such as this one.

It's a fact.

[Chosen Daughter]

If the radical left manages to succeed in getting rid of Trump (big if)..... that would make Pence a lame duck president for the duration, and would probably embarass the GOP enough to ensure a Democrat victory in 2020 (which is, after all, their ultimate goal.....or one of them).

Pence would be ineffective at implementing the policies of the right that voters overwhelmingly voted FOR last November.  The game would be in check until 2020, and then checkmate. 

Not just no, but HELL NO to that.

And if he keeps doing his tweeting and putting possible Federal investigation at Jeopardy then he is the one heading for that very outcome.  If people cannot trust in him and he puts his popularity above National Security watch it happen.

[XenaLee]

And if he keeps doing his tweeting and putting possible Federal investigation at Jeopardy then he is the one heading for that very outcome.  If people cannot trust in him and he puts his popularity above National Security watch it happen.

He's putting the issue 'out there' for the uninformed folks to read about.  I don't think it has a thing to do with 'his popularity'.

[Emjay]

You have a habit of these same postings about people in this forum.  Are you going to use this same old argument every time Trump does or doesn't do something?  Are we not allowed to question Trump just because we didn't want Hillary to win?  I guess you give him a free pass because you thank God he won.  I thank God for things that are right and reserve the right to make an assessment on everything.

Wait just a gol dern minute.  You can question Trump about minutia every day and I'm supposed to shut up.

You are allowed to question Trump but you leap like starving hyenas on every tiny thing that offends you.

Well, that offends me and I will continue to react to it in an appropriate manner.  None of you still 'no-trumpers' have ever answered my question as to 'what do you want?'

Do you want to satisfy your egos and superiority by making posts against Trump?

Well, okay, then.

But what is your ultimate goal.  Have you even thought it out?

What do you want for America?  You have two choices now.  Undermine Trump until he is somehow outed, or give him a tiny bit of respect for the good job he's done so far and give him a chance to continue on his goals to make America good again?

[Chosen Daughter]

He's putting the issue 'out there' for the uninformed folks to read about.  I don't think it has a thing to do with 'his popularity'.

Oh yes it does.  Desired outcome public outrage.  Doesn't belong on twitter.  Serious matter.

[INVAR]

Well....since the lamestream lying presshole media won't report on it (might make Obama look bad....shudder)....

perhaps it will turn out that his tweeting about it got the issue out to the public.  I expect a public outcry among those that DID vote for Trump over this.  Again, time will tell.

If indeed this is a subtle coup taking place (which I have no doubts given the last couple of weeks), the Trump voters are not the ones the Leftists and Obama are targeting for manipulation by their comrades in the media.  The Left is far more successful at manipulating information to serve their narrative among their emoting masses than Trump is among his faithful.  Either Trump is oblivious to what is actually happening under his nose, or he is complicit in handing the parallel government being established with ammunition they are going to use to torpedo his entire Administration.  Trump's supporters are not going to be able to stave off or prevent the sabotaging of their leader who may end up being stupid enough to kill his own legal recourses.

Trump has cried 'wolf' enough with his tweets along with sensationalist bullshiite (Cruz' dad killed JFK) that even if he is right about this issue - a lot folks do not know what to believe and Trump has killed any grace of affording him the benefit of the doubt.

[SirLinksALot]

SEE HERE: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html?_r=0

The New York Times story that really got this ball rolling a couple weeks ago claimed the FBI was investigating contacts between Russia and the campaign but also reported no evidence of collusion had been found:

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications around the same time they were discovering evidence that Russia was trying to disrupt the presidential election by hacking into the Democratic National Committee, three of the officials said. The intelligence agencies then sought to learn whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election.

The officials interviewed in recent weeks said that, so far, they had seen no evidence of such cooperation.

Also, Senator Chris Coons  tells MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell in an MSNBC interview he “believes” these transcripts exist.

see here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jqWVQLk2w8

So, the question is this -- if there are FBI transcripts, how did they get them unless they were wiretapping Trump's campaign?

Has something changed or is Sen. Coons speculating about transcripts he admits he has not seen? Also, how does he know they exist or have any idea what they say if the FBI is withholding them?

[LMAO]

Trump has cried 'wolf' enough with his tweets along with sensationalist bullshiite (Cruz' dad killed JFK) that even if he is right about this issue - a lot folks do not know what to believe and Trump has killed any grace of affording him the benefit of the doubt.

And the media has the same issue.  The rest of us are left trying to figure out which one to believe

Trump has a poor relationship with honesty but the press, which is suppose to be a watchdog on these people, has too.

It's clear Trump hates the press and the press is unhappy he's in the WH

[INVAR]

Wait just a gol dern minute.  You can question Trump about minutia every day and I'm supposed to shut up.

You are allowed to question Trump but you leap like starving hyenas on every tiny thing that offends you.

Didn't you just do that very thing on another thread about homosexuality?  In fact I think you asked Myst to shut the thread down 'before we killed one another' because you are tired of reading the arguments.

I guess your reaction to everything that offends you is to get it shut down and silenced?

What do you want for America?  You have two choices now.  Undermine Trump until he is somehow outed, or give him a tiny bit of respect for the good job he's done so far and give him a chance to continue on his goals to make America good again?

We're not doing this 'you only have two choices now' bullshiiite again.

[Cripplecreek]

Trump was an abject imbecile to tweet about this situation.  He just handed his enemies the rope they are going to hang him with - at least as far as public opinion shaped by the Media goes.

A decent Administrator does not publicly talk about legal or national security matters.

So what media is it that shapes my opinion that Trump is the same lying pathetic piece of trash he's always been.

Who do you blame for so called conservatives who fell in love with Trump? Just take a look at the way posters at TOS  spoke about trump in years past compared to the way they worship him now. Even the owner has a long history of speaking of Trump as a lying liberal scumbag yet is king of the fan club today.

Yet somehow, those of us who haven't changed our opinions and didn't fall in love with Trump are the traitors. A shadowy media conspiracy somehow convinced me to hold firm to my principles and made me a secret democrat or establishment RINO.

I tell my GOP congressman that I want Trump investigated nearly every single day. If that makes me a traitor to the Kremlin owned GOP then so be it. If all they can do is try to hide behind the fact that the democrats do it too, then they have lost the final fight and America is finished and I'll be looking out for me alone.

[kevindavis007]

So what media is it that shapes my opinion that Trump is the same lying pathetic piece of trash he's always been.

Who do you blame for so called conservatives who fell in love with Trump? Just take a look at the way posters at TOS  spoke about trump in years past compared to the way they worship him now. Even the owner has a long history of speaking of Trump as a lying liberal scumbag yet is king of the fan club today.

Yet somehow, those of us who haven't changed our opinions and didn't fall in love with Trump are the traitors. A shadowy media conspiracy somehow convinced me to hold firm to my principles and made me a secret democrat or establishment RINO.

I tell my GOP congressman that I want Trump investigated nearly every single day. If that makes me a traitor to the Kremlin owned GOP then so be it. If all they can do is try to hide behind the fact that the democrats do it too, then they have lost the final fight and America is finished and I'll be looking out for me alone.

I don't care if it is George Washington or Abe Lincoln.. If there are some questions about the Presidents regardless of they and party should be investigated...

[SirLinksALot]

A reminder to those who were paying attention but ignored what happened.....

FBI ‘Granted FISA Warrant’ Covering Trump Camp’s Ties To Russia (Flashback Nov.7,2016)

SOURCE: https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/

EXCERPT:

Two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community have confirmed to Heat Street that the FBI sought, and was granted, a FISA court warrant in October, giving counter-intelligence permission to examine the activities of ‘U.S. persons’ in Donald Trump’s campaign with ties to Russia.

Contrary to earlier reporting in the New York Times, which cited FBI sources as saying that the agency did not believe that the private server in Donald Trump’s Trump Tower which was connected to a Russian bank had any nefarious purpose, the FBI’s counter-intelligence arm, sources say, re-drew an earlier FISA court request around possible financial and banking offenses related to the server. The first request, which, sources say, named Trump, was denied back in June, but the second was drawn more narrowly and was granted in October after evidence was presented of a server, possibly related to the Trump campaign, and its alleged links to two banks; SVB Bank and Russia’s Alfa Bank. While the Times story speaks of metadata, sources suggest that a FISA warrant was granted to look at the full content of emails and other related documents that may concern US persons.

The FBI agents who talked to the New York Times, and rubbished the ground-breaking stories of Slate ( Franklin Foer) and Mother Jones (David Corn) may not have known about the FISA warrant, sources say, because the counter-intelligence and criminal sides of the FBI often work independently of each other employing the principle of ‘compartmentalization’.

The FISA warrant was granted in connection with the investigation of suspected activity between the server and two banks, SVB Bank and Alfa Bank. However, it is thought in the intelligence community that the warrant covers any ‘US person’ connected to this investigation, and thus covers Donald Trump and at least three further men who have either formed part of his campaign or acted as his media surrogates. The warrant was sought, they say, because actionable intelligence on the matter provided by friendly foreign agencies could not properly be examined without a warrant by US intelligence as it involves ‘US Persons’ who come under the remit of the FBI and not the CIA. Should a counter-intelligence investigation lead to criminal prosecutions, sources say, the Justice Department is concerned that the chain of evidence have a basis in a clear  warrant.

In June, when the first FISA warrant was denied, the FBI was reportedly alarmed at Carter Page’s trip to Moscow and meetings with Russian officials, one week before the DNC was hacked. Counter intelligence agencies later reported to both Presidential candidates that Russia had carried out this hack; Donald Trump said publicly in the third debate that ‘our country has no idea’ if Russia did the hacking. The discovery of the Trump Tower private Russian server, however, communicating with Alfa Bank, changed matters, sources report.



------------- CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE REST --------------------

The only problem with the above report which makes people tend to overlook it is the phrase "Two separate sources with links to the counter-intelligence community "

People are tired of unidentified "sources"

[XenaLee]

Oh yes it does.  Desired outcome public outrage.  Doesn't belong on twitter.  Serious matter.

Yeah....you're just not 'getting it', are you.  It may not belong on Twitter, but if not on Twitter, where then?  That's the problem.  Lamestream media won't present the facts.... only the slur, slander and slant (lies). 

I see this as a good thing IF Trump really has the goods on the Obama regime.  He's getting the issue talked about and publicly discussed.  And I don't blame Trump supporters if they are outraged over this.  Every American 'should be' outraged, if Obama really did have Trump conversations wire-tapped.  It sets a very dangerous new precedent (another Obama 'first') that every American should be aware and wary of.

[LonestarDream]

FISA wiretaps on a Presidential candidate? This is 3X worse than Watergate.

Feel the same.

[kevindavis007]

Yeah....you're just not 'getting it', are you.  It may not belong on Twitter, but if not on Twitter, where then?  That's the problem.  Lamestream media won't present the facts.... only the slur, slander and slant (lies). 

I see this as a good thing IF Trump really has the goods on the Obama regime.  He's getting the issue talked about and publicly discussed.  And I don't blame Trump supporters if they are outraged over this.  Every American 'should be' outraged, if Obama really did have Trump conversations wire-tapped.  It sets a very dangerous new precedent (another Obama 'first') that every American should be aware and wary of.

Like the goods he had regarding Obama's birth??

[NavyCanDo]

Trump was an abject imbecile to tweet about this situation.  He just handed his enemies the rope they are going to hang him with - at least as far as public opinion shaped by the Media goes.

A decent Administrator does not publicly talk about legal or national security matters.

At the very least he shot what was his best week in office with that speech at the joint session to hell.  He is his own worse enemy.

If there is any truth to the wire tapping and dots have been connected to Obama, then leak it to Friendly news media, and let them break it.

[truth_seeker]

FISA wiretaps on a Presidential candidate? This is 3X worse than Watergate.

There is this video out this morning, with lawyer Linda Graham, R?-SC making a claim jokingly, but also not jokingly, that it is very serious.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQFPNvQ3I4s

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Like the goods he had regarding Obama's birth??

Touché.

[Cripplecreek]

I don't care if it is George Washington or Abe Lincoln.. If there are some questions about the Presidents regardless of they and party should be investigated...

It is a great mystery to me.

I feel the same way I felt about Trump 20 years ago yet somehow people who agreed with me 2 years ago now believe I'm a traitor who has been manipulated buy a shadowy deep state media conspiracy.

[LonestarDream]

There was and Bush didnt.  And this is the problem.

Sorry, not pining or wishing for scenarios for Trump fail. We need to drain the swamp.

Would you have approved in 2007 and 2008, legally authorized wiretaps on candidate Obama if there was evidence of collusion with Soros and the Muslim Brotherhood?
Not saying that is the case here, but we all seem to change what we'll accept simply because we like or don't like the parties involved.